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Post by Mistybreeze on Mar 21, 2020 2:52:24 GMT -5
...that the VOS battle is going to be bad. TBC has this suspense that I don't think any arc has had before. Not DOTC, nor OS quite reached this level. Both LS and TST made me feel anxious and unsettled, something I have never felt reading a Warriors book before. This arc is so different, and naturally I suspect this upcoming battle will be too.
Someone will probably get the book early within 10-12 days. So last call for dead predictions.
Since it's late, I'll stick to numbers.
Thunder: 3-5. I think they'll still be spared the worst, but will lose a few cats.
Shadow: 10. The editors clearly have it out for this Clan, so I think they will get hit the worst again.
Wind: 3-6. They didn't lose to many in AVS, so they could be hit hard.
River: 2-6. They lost a lot of cats in AVS, so they might be okay.
Sky: 8+. The editors also have no trouble killing them off. Plus they've rebuilt pretty well, so they could end up hemorrhaging cats.
I'll add names in the morning.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 21, 2020 14:10:31 GMT -5
I don't think Shadow will be hit that bad. They lost like...half their clan in AVOS
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 14:15:34 GMT -5
If RiverClan loses anyone, they'll be alive again in the next book
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Post by Mistybreeze on Mar 21, 2020 14:25:30 GMT -5
I don't think Shadow will be hit that bad. They lost like...half their clan in AVOS They have just as many cats, if not more than they did before the purge. ShadowClan has never got off easy. "A devastating battle" for ShadowClan means a lot of death.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 21, 2020 14:57:15 GMT -5
Watch the battle end with hardly anyone dead.
ThunderClan, SkyClan, and ShadowClan need a purge.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 15:11:40 GMT -5
Watch the battle end with hardly anyone dead. ThunderClan, SkyClan, and ShadowClan need a purge. That's a bit sad, that ShadowClan and SkyClan still have more cats than WindClan and RiverClan, considering what happened in AVOS and Hawkwing's Journey. But as people have pointed out before, a gazillion ShadowClan kits were born during that time, not sure how SkyClan managed to keep their numbers up
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 21, 2020 15:34:00 GMT -5
Watch the battle end with hardly anyone dead. ThunderClan, SkyClan, and ShadowClan need a purge. That's a bit sad, that ShadowClan and SkyClan still have more cats than WindClan and RiverClan, considering what happened in AVOS and Hawkwing's Journey. But as people have pointed out before, a gazillion ShadowClan kits were born during that time, not sure how SkyClan managed to keep their numbers up What's even worse is that the Erins don't know what to do with them, so they just stay in the background. They're easily forgettable. I'm not sure how SkyClan managed to get their number up quickly, either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 15:54:06 GMT -5
That's a bit sad, that ShadowClan and SkyClan still have more cats than WindClan and RiverClan, considering what happened in AVOS and Hawkwing's Journey. But as people have pointed out before, a gazillion ShadowClan kits were born during that time, not sure how SkyClan managed to keep their numbers up What's even worse is that the Erins don't know what to do with them, so they just stay in the background. They're easily forgettable. I'm not sure how SkyClan managed to get their number up quickly, either. Yeah, especially RiverClan, like, only THREE cats get attention, Mistystar, Mothwing, and Willowshine, and they're as old as dirt. WindClan is starting to get less and less focus too, like nothing is known about Breezepelt and Heathertail's daughters, except their names.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 21, 2020 16:01:22 GMT -5
What's even worse is that the Erins don't know what to do with them, so they just stay in the background. They're easily forgettable. I'm not sure how SkyClan managed to get their number up quickly, either. Yeah, especially RiverClan, like, only THREE cats get attention, Mistystar, Mothwing, and Willowshine, and they're as old as dirt. WindClan is starting to get less and less focus too, like nothing is known about Breezepelt and Heathertail's daughters, except their names. Right. The Erins should include them in more often.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 16:04:55 GMT -5
Yeah, especially RiverClan, like, only THREE cats get attention, Mistystar, Mothwing, and Willowshine, and they're as old as dirt. WindClan is starting to get less and less focus too, like nothing is known about Breezepelt and Heathertail's daughters, except their names. Right. The Erins should include them in more often. I'm actually glad Crowfeather's family is being placed on the back-burner, well, at least ONE part of his family, because his great grand-daughter Bristlethistle is a main character...but it would be nice to know which one of Breezepelt's daughters got the snark gene lol. I want to know more about Slightfoot, Crouchfoot, Leaftail, Emberfoot, etc..like the cats were know NOTHING about, especially Harestar and Kestrelflight.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 21, 2020 16:13:41 GMT -5
Right. The Erins should include them in more often. I'm actually glad Crowfeather's family is being placed on the back-burner, well, at least ONE part of his family, because his great grand-daughter Bristlethistle is a main character...but it would be nice to know which one of Breezepelt's daughters got the snark gene lol. I want to know more about Slightfoot, Crouchfoot, Leaftail, Emberfoot, etc..like the cats were know NOTHING about, especially Harestar and Kestrelflight. Same here, and not only for WindClan, but RiverClan, too. You're right, some of Crowfeather's family did have plenty of screentime. Perhaps too much to it.
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Post by swin on Mar 21, 2020 16:15:45 GMT -5
Right. The Erins should include them in more often. I'm actually glad Crowfeather's family is being placed on the back-burner, well, at least ONE part of his family, because his great grand-daughter Bristlethistle is a main character...but it would be nice to know which one of Breezepelt's daughters got the snark gene lol. I want to know more about Slightfoot, Crouchfoot, Leaftail, Emberfoot, etc..like the cats were know NOTHING about, especially Harestar and Kestrelflight. lol that's quite a few -foots
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 16:17:38 GMT -5
*Ravenpaw*At least we know the family members of WindClan, but I would love to see more of them, especially Sneezecloud before he dies. swinRight? I think WindClan LOVES the foot suffix
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 21, 2020 16:23:56 GMT -5
Chicken True. So Sneezecloud is planning on dying? yikes
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 16:26:46 GMT -5
Chicken True. So Sneezecloud is planning on dying? yikes He might, he's getting pretty up there in age, but he just had kittens, so he might not. Also, he's in RiverClan, and when do RiverClan cats ever truly die?
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 21, 2020 16:29:37 GMT -5
Chicken They sometimes die. But then rise from the dead a moment later! They all take after Heavystep.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 16:35:41 GMT -5
*Ravenpaw*Heavystep is secretly the father of everyone in RiverClan, Beetlewhisker, didn't some Heron or Perch guy come back to life also?
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 21, 2020 16:48:53 GMT -5
Chicken I have no idea. Yes, Heavystep is the father of every cat in RiverClan. x3 (lol)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 16:50:13 GMT -5
Chicken I have no idea. Yes, Heavystep is the father of every cat in RiverClan. x3 (lol) Lol, I wonder if Heavystep even really had kits? Maybe he's Mintfur's father, and his grandson Beetlewhisker, got the power to revive from him
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 21, 2020 17:11:49 GMT -5
Chicken I have no idea. Yes, Heavystep is the father of every cat in RiverClan. x3 (lol) Lol, I wonder if Heavystep even really had kits? Maybe he's Mintfur's father, and his grandson Beetlewhisker, got the power to revive from him Probably not.
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Post by Stonetoe on Mar 21, 2020 17:18:36 GMT -5
I hope too many cats don't die.
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Post by Spinestar on Mar 21, 2020 18:30:18 GMT -5
I hope too many cats don't die. wait....really??
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Post by Stonetoe on Mar 22, 2020 11:37:31 GMT -5
I hope too many cats don't die. wait....really?? I like them too much.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 22, 2020 13:20:18 GMT -5
Maybe the reason ThunderClan, ShadowClan, and SkyClan got to so many cats within their Clans was so a lot of them could be killed off in the upcoming battle, so their casualties seem pretty bad. Like, if ThunderClan alone lost 10-15 cats, that's a pretty substantial number for them. The blurb for Darkness Within implies that the battle isn't going to be good for any Clan.
I think it's almost certainly going to be ShadowClan & SkyClan vs ThunderClan & WindClan, dunno where RiverClan is going to fit on it lmao. Hopefully the blurb isn't lying and all five do have "devastating" casualties, whether than be cats killed, loss of territory, or something else.
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Post by Spinestar on Mar 22, 2020 13:36:52 GMT -5
Maybe the reason ThunderClan, ShadowClan, and SkyClan got to so many cats within their Clans was so a lot of them could be killed off in the upcoming battle, so their casualties seem pretty bad. Like, if ThunderClan alone lost 10-15 cats, that's a pretty substantial number for them. The blurb for Darkness Within implies that the battle isn't going to be good for any Clan. I think it's almost certainly going to be ShadowClan & SkyClan vs ThunderClan & WindClan, dunno where RiverClan is going to fit on it lmao. Hopefully the blurb isn't lying and all five do have "devastating" casualties, whether than be cats killed, loss of territory, or something else. 100% agree w the alleigances. Watch RiverClan be the spectator Clan like Riverstar was in TFB
I think HC picking on ShadowClan and SkyClan would be cruel though, as they have always picked on ShadowClan in the past and SkyClan just settled down and deserve some peace after being bullied for so long
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 22, 2020 14:37:30 GMT -5
Maybe the reason ThunderClan, ShadowClan, and SkyClan got to so many cats within their Clans was so a lot of them could be killed off in the upcoming battle, so their casualties seem pretty bad. Like, if ThunderClan alone lost 10-15 cats, that's a pretty substantial number for them. The blurb for Darkness Within implies that the battle isn't going to be good for any Clan. I think it's almost certainly going to be ShadowClan & SkyClan vs ThunderClan & WindClan, dunno where RiverClan is going to fit on it lmao. Hopefully the blurb isn't lying and all five do have "devastating" casualties, whether than be cats killed, loss of territory, or something else. 100% agree w the alleigances. Watch RiverClan be the spectator Clan like Riverstar was in TFB
I think HC picking on ShadowClan and SkyClan would be cruel though, as they have always picked on ShadowClan in the past and SkyClan just settled down and deserve some peace after being bullied for so long
It'd be cool if RiverClan were just on the sidelines for this one, but the blurb does specify that all Clans are left devastated, so this makes me believe they do take part. Maybe not initially like the other four, but definitely taking part. While I also agree with your second point, cats seem to have lost their plot armor this arc. That, and maybe the editors want the two Clans who have been through a lot to put their differences aside to try and get rid of the impostor. Those are just my thoughts though. It is still rather cruel to put ShadowClan and SkyClan through that again.
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Post by platinum blond death on Mar 22, 2020 19:14:50 GMT -5
RiverClan's gonna perform necromancy on their cats anyways so it doesn't matter. I hope this battle is actually devastating and not "only two cats die per Clan and even then that only applies to three Clans." I also wonder which side RiverClan's going to be on . . . perhaps ThunderClan's? I dunno, can't really see them siding with anyone. Perhaps they have a civil war, where one group fights for TC and another fights for ShC? (since i think it's tc vs shc)
Unrelated, but I'm not sure how anyone in the Clans can see that Bramblestar isn't Bramblestar. Perhaps the imposter is just that good at imitating him, but I think he's changed. Then again, if his own Clan can't see it, I highly doubt anyone outside ThunderClan would, unless they know him fairly well.
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Post by kells on Mar 22, 2020 19:34:54 GMT -5
Two cats at most
One of them will be a barely existant bg character like honeyfur or leafshade, and the other will be a semi-relevant bg character that everyone'll suddenly have a mass, two-second grieving ceremony for
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 19:46:19 GMT -5
Hold on.. is it really going to be WindClan and ThunderClan vs SkyClan and ShadowClan? ShadowClan and SkyClan teaming up? SkyClan going against their bffs ThunderClan? This should be interesting to see...I hope it's told from not ThunderClan's POV, I don't want Sandynose to look bad.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 22, 2020 21:25:34 GMT -5
I have a feeling that it might not be as clear as clan vs. clan. Maybe they'll be divided depending on what they believe is more important - clan or the warrior code.
But if it is clan vs. clan, I'm sure that ThunderClan and ShadowClan will fight against each other. Not sure which side the other clans would choose if they join in.
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