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Post by aether on Mar 18, 2020 0:03:55 GMT -5
In spoilers because I mention a bunch of deaths. [/font][/spoiler][/ul]
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the most inactive
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Post by swin on Mar 18, 2020 9:09:42 GMT -5
Foxleap died in Dovewing's Silence.
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 18, 2020 11:49:31 GMT -5
I really hate that the Erins don't let the characters be happy, too, especially Bramblestar and Squirrelflight. You would think that they would let these cats get past arguments, but nope!
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 18, 2020 12:30:04 GMT -5
What they did to DustFern was ridiculous in general. They kept killing their kits off for drama. Like, why can't one couple just be happy? They're one of my fave ships in the series. I also love BrackenSorrel
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 18, 2020 12:47:07 GMT -5
I still wont forgive them for killing off ferncloud bc "the fans didnt like her!!!" meanwhile all the other cats the fans hated way more than Ferncloud were still around
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 12:59:17 GMT -5
Another thing that's annoying about Foxleap's death, is that apparently, they killed him off because Rosepetal had a crush on him, and they forgot they were related. Like, so what? A LOT of the characters are related, and her crush didn't have to go anywhere.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Mar 18, 2020 13:23:49 GMT -5
What I will never forgive Vicky for is her treatment of DustxFern and BrackenxSorrel. She made it very plain how much she hates happy couples. So rather than let background characters be happy in the background, she kills off half of their children. She's basically punishing them for being happy!! What kind of person does that?!
Like God, you'd think the BramblexSquirrel drama would be enough, but noooo. There can be no happiness when Vicky Holmes is around.
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Post by platinum blond death on Mar 18, 2020 13:29:35 GMT -5
Dustpelt and Ferncloud deserved a break, especially Dustpelt. His kits die in NP, then his mate dies and his son dies shortly afterwards. Then his daughter dies from being irrelevant offscreen greencough. Then he dies. Then Spiderleg dies. This family deserves a break. Poor Birchfall is the only one alive now.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 18, 2020 17:13:19 GMT -5
On the positive side, we got to see Ferncloud in SqH, STILL very much happy, with Dustpelt, and taking care of kits
Ferncloud is one of my favorite side characters. Her reunion with Dustpelt in BrS was REALLY sweet tho
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Bisexual
#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
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ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 19, 2020 1:33:44 GMT -5
They let Leafpool be happy but they make Squirrelflight suffer constantly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 12:34:41 GMT -5
Another thing...how they ruined good characters like Bumblestripe, Berrynose, and Onewhisker
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 19, 2020 18:22:23 GMT -5
I also won't forgive them for how they've treated Tawnypelt and Dawnpelt. Like, holy hell.
Tawnypelt has had to fight for every ounce of respect. Thunderclan because of her father, Shadowclan because she was from Thunderclan (looking at you, Russetfur). She finally gets family and respect. Then she loses Flametail. Her mate becomes leader, and then everyone turns against him and she loses her clan, her daughter, her grandkits. Her daughter straight up gets murdered. Things come together again, but don't really. Her mate gets murdered by her granddaughter. She becomes a deputy, NO ONE respects her... Like, give her a break.
Dawnpelt loses her brother, her kits are little gremlins, except Strikestone, who snaps out of it. Her mate dies. She has to choose between her kits and mom/dad/brother. And then, while helping her sons escape, she gets found and murdered with possibly the help of her daughter - who she loved dearly (Dawnpelt WAS a wonderful mom).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 18:27:16 GMT -5
I agree with everything you guys have been saying. DustFern and fam deserved better, so did BrackenSorrel. Still, I can find peace in the fact that Dustpelt is reunited and happy with his mate and kids. The bloodline is still around with Ivypool and Dovewing. Hopefully Brackenfur can be with his wife soon.
BrambleSquirrel could've been a cute power couple but they got trashed for tea. Tea I enjoyed, but still.
Also I dislike how the Erins kill off interesting bg cats/cats with potential but keep the ones no one cares about. RIP Foxleap and Icecloud.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Mar 19, 2020 23:15:59 GMT -5
I agree with everything said here.
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I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on Mar 20, 2020 22:12:25 GMT -5
I also won't forgive them for how they've treated Tawnypelt and Dawnpelt. Like, holy hell. Tawnypelt has had to fight for every ounce of respect. Thunderclan because of her father, Shadowclan because she was from Thunderclan (looking at you, Russetfur). She finally gets family and respect. Then she loses Flametail. Her mate becomes leader, and then everyone turns against him and she loses her clan, her daughter, her grandkits. Her daughter straight up gets murdered. Things come together again, but don't really. Her mate gets murdered by her granddaughter. She becomes a deputy, NO ONE respects her... Like, give her a break. Dawnpelt loses her brother, her kits are little gremlins, except Strikestone, who snaps out of it. Her mate dies. She has to choose between her kits and mom/dad/brother. And then, while helping her sons escape, she gets found and murdered with possibly the help of her daughter - who she loved dearly (Dawnpelt WAS a wonderful mom). I hate what was done to DustFern (legit one of my top 5 favorite couples), BrackenSorrel, Tawnypelt, etc. but your mention of Dawnpelt just reminded me of how I hadn't realized just how damn sad her life was until I saw this (unfinished right now) MAP call for her a few days ago: I listened to the song and it fit her so well. I also read the script ( here), and felt so emotional afterward that it's actually a little silly. I've seen a few WIP/finished parts for the MAP, and lowkey, I think I'll probably cry when it's done and all put together lmao these parts in particular made me so sad for her: I was honestly surprised to find myself thinking of her as a new favorite character of mine. Her story really deserves more love, and it would be nice if Tigerheart had named one of his kits after her or something, since she seems all but forgotten and rarely (if ever? I can't even remember her family's reactions after she died, beyond it barely being touched upon in Tigerheart's Shadow. At least Tawnypelt thought about her often in her novella) mentioned now. She lost almost everyone dear to her, which doesn't even touch on the tragedies before Darktail took over...so many innocent ShadowClan cats suffered because of Needletail, Sleekwhisker, etc. and their selfishness. It honestly makes me ridiculously sad if I think about it too long. I wish Dawnpelt had lived and gone on to become leader instead. I think she would have made a good ShadowClan leader. The only good thing about this is that, as upsetting as it is, she's with a good majority of her family now. It's one of the worst silver linings ever, but hey, we gotta take what we can get lol
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 21, 2020 12:09:50 GMT -5
MayflowerI've been following that MAP! I'm so excited for it. I really love Dawnpelt and she's my favorite of her siblings because I find her to be one of the more complex ones. I also think she would have been a good leader. CrowDawn is a really sweet ship. I also feel bad for Strikestone. Imagine your mother essentially sacrificing herself for you and your brother, your sister killing your grandfather, your brother poisoning another clan and then dying, and then he gets deafened. RowanTawny family apparently isn't allowed happiness unless your name is Tigerheart
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Post by unfilteredangst on Mar 21, 2020 20:49:27 GMT -5
Welp, this is a dark series after all. But that won't stop me from not forgetting the fact that the Erins literally killed off Snowkit, JUST for Speackletail to have a reason to go to the Elders den. Ugh.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Mar 21, 2020 23:00:04 GMT -5
A close second is them killing off Honeyfern for such a stupid reason. They could have killed off any other cat and Leafpool still would have brought in the deathberries. They wanted to kill off a young cat with lots of potential? Kill Briarkit. She's even younger and just recovered from greencough. And nothing, absolutely nothing, is more tragic than kit deaths.
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Post by fireflylanes on Mar 21, 2020 23:43:23 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like a lot of these weird/offscreen deaths (like Honeyfern, Rainwhisker, Ambermoon, etc.) are just because the Erins realized that there were too many cats in one Clan and decided to just kill some off, but didn't want to write them being killed by a fox/badger/whatever so they just come up with the weirdest cause of death possible. They could just...not have so many cats have litters in the first place? Or at least keep them on the smaller side? Squirrelflights SE felt like a weird cash grab, not going to go into detail but everything was OOC. At this point it feels like they just hate Squirrelflight lol
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Post by halie on Mar 22, 2020 14:18:25 GMT -5
I feel like the erins are a bit harsh on the characters like idk why they won’t let them just be happy!
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