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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 21:35:39 GMT -5
There's just no winning for them. Either, they can either make their mate a priority over the clan, which makes them look like a bad leader. TBC spoilers: Kind of when Tigerheart didn't want to tell about the code-breakers, because Dovewing was listed on there, even though things were going to complete crap in ShadowClan, and a cat even died. Or, they can make their clan a priority over their mate, which makes them look like a bad mate, like Bramblestar in Squirrelflight's Hope. Honestly, I think that leaders having mates is more problematic than medicine cats having mates, because with medicine cats, there's sometimes more than one, but there's never more than one leader in a clan. I know there's the deputy, but they're not the same as being the leader. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have mates, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense, that they can, but medicine cats can't..both positions are responsible for looking out for the whole clan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 21:54:33 GMT -5
I mean, leaders having mates can definitely work out just fine and balanced. Examples like Firestar/Sandstorm, Hailstar/Echomist, Crookedstar/Willowbreeze, Thunderstar/Violet Dawn, Windstar/Gorsestar, Skystar/Star Flower and Leafstar/Billystorm come to mind. But I see where you're coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 22:00:33 GMT -5
I mean, leaders having mates can definitely work out just fine and balanced. Examples like Firestar/Sandstorm, Hailstar/Echomist, Crookedstar/Willowbreeze, Thunderstar/Violet Dawn, Windstar/Gorsestar, Skystar/Star Flower and Leafstar/Billystorm come to mind. But I see where you're coming from. That's true, it does work for some...however, was Crookedstar leader when he and Willowbreeze were mates? I don't remember. Also, didn't Clear Sky once put Star Flower's safety over the safety of the safety of his clan? I mean, I can understand why he did it, but yeah
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 22:40:09 GMT -5
I mean, leaders having mates can definitely work out just fine and balanced. Examples like Firestar/Sandstorm, Hailstar/Echomist, Crookedstar/Willowbreeze, Thunderstar/Violet Dawn, Windstar/Gorsestar, Skystar/Star Flower and Leafstar/Billystorm come to mind. But I see where you're coming from. That's true, it does work for some...however, was Crookedstar leader when he and Willowbreeze were mates? I don't remember. Also, didn't Clear Sky once put Star Flower's safety over the safety of the safety of his clan? I mean, I can understand why he did it, but yeah Yes I believe it was late into his deputyship when they became officially mates. She died while he was leader. Also, pardon me about Skystar, my memory is bad lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 6:39:27 GMT -5
That's true, it does work for some...however, was Crookedstar leader when he and Willowbreeze were mates? I don't remember. Also, didn't Clear Sky once put Star Flower's safety over the safety of the safety of his clan? I mean, I can understand why he did it, but yeah Yes I believe it was late into his deputyship when they became officially mates. She died while he was leader. Also, pardon me about Skystar, my memory is bad lol. Ohh okay, don't worry, so is mine lol..well, at least when it comes to this series
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 10, 2020 16:25:02 GMT -5
I kind of wish Onestar and Whitetail's relationship was seen more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 16:49:56 GMT -5
I kind of wish Onestar and Whitetail's relationship was seen more. Me too, I wish there was a scene of Whitetail telling Onestar off, when she finds out about Darktail lol Or Nightcloud and Whitetail bonding about being used, so that their mates could prove their loyalty to WindClan.
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Post by cowbird on Mar 10, 2020 16:51:36 GMT -5
Eh, i feel like they work just fine tbh. Many leaders have had mates and led their clans well from what we know
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 16:52:27 GMT -5
Eh, i feel like they work just fine tbh. Many leaders have had mates and led their clans well from what we know True, but I still don't see why leaders can have mates, but medicine cats can't, when they're both responsible for the well-being of the whole clan.
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Post by cowbird on Mar 10, 2020 16:55:27 GMT -5
Eh, i feel like they work just fine tbh. Many leaders have had mates and led their clans well from what we know True, but I still don't see why leaders can have mates, but medicine cats can't, when they're both responsible for the well-being of the whole clan. Its a poor rule in general sense considering how much drama comes from it, but it makes sense in a way. Medicine take care of a clan in a quite different way then leaders do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 16:57:50 GMT -5
True, but I still don't see why leaders can have mates, but medicine cats can't, when they're both responsible for the well-being of the whole clan. Its a poor rule in general sense considering how much drama comes from it, but it makes sense in a way. Medicine take care of a clan in a quite different way then leaders do. That's true, it's still kind of lame though.
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Post by cowbird on Mar 10, 2020 17:00:31 GMT -5
Its a poor rule in general sense considering how much drama comes from it, but it makes sense in a way. Medicine take care of a clan in a quite different way then leaders do. That's true, it's still kind of lame though. It really is. Like poor Yellowfang the most imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:05:58 GMT -5
That's true, it's still kind of lame though. It really is. Like poor Yellowfang the most imo. Right? I feel REALLY bad for her, she didn't even want to be a medicine cat, and she was already pretty much mates with Raggedstar before becoming a medicine cat. Like, she had dreams of being a fierce warrior, of having a family, but all that was taken away from her, because StarClan decided to "grant" her with an ability, which made it pretty much impossible to be a warrior.
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Post by cowbird on Mar 10, 2020 17:12:07 GMT -5
It really is. Like poor Yellowfang the most imo. Right? I feel REALLY bad for her, she didn't even want to be a medicine cat, and she was already pretty much mates with Raggedstar before becoming a medicine cat. Like, she had dreams of being a fierce warrior, of having a family, but all that was taken away from her, because StarClan decided to "grant" her with an ability, which made it pretty much impossible to be a warrior. Literally one of the cats who was really messed over badly by StarClan. Far deserved a second chance at life like Cinderpelt got.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:19:00 GMT -5
Right? I feel REALLY bad for her, she didn't even want to be a medicine cat, and she was already pretty much mates with Raggedstar before becoming a medicine cat. Like, she had dreams of being a fierce warrior, of having a family, but all that was taken away from her, because StarClan decided to "grant" her with an ability, which made it pretty much impossible to be a warrior. Literally one of the cats who was really messed over badly by StarClan. Far deserved a second chance at life like Cinderpelt got. Yeah, I still don't understand why Cinderpelt of all cats got the opportunity to live her life over. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm victim blaming, because I'm not trying to, I'm not saying that she's completely at fault, because she's not...but if she had just LISTENED to her mentor and not run off, she wouldn't have been on the thunderpath at that time, and she wouldn't have broken her leg. It's not like she was born with a busted leg, like Yellowfang was born with her pain-feeling ability, or Goosefeather was born with his ability. I'm sorry...I just REALLY hate that pointless storyline.
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Post by cowbird on Mar 10, 2020 17:28:07 GMT -5
ChickenI honestly me too. When you read other books and you see worse it makes what happens to some cats seem not as tragic even if they are
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:36:39 GMT -5
Chicken I honestly me too. When you read other books and you see worse it makes what happens to some cats seem not as tragic even if they are Yeah, speaking of tragic things, I hate how pretty much every single one of The Prophecy Begins leaders had a tragic backstory..I know it helped shaped them into the leaders they became, but yeah
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 10, 2020 17:36:40 GMT -5
I kind of wish Onestar and Whitetail's relationship was seen more. Me too, I wish there was a scene of Whitetail telling Onestar off, when she finds out about Darktail lol Or Nightcloud and Whitetail bonding about being used, so that their mates could prove their loyalty to WindClan. She does get angry and speak out against Onestar when she finds out his secret.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:37:25 GMT -5
Me too, I wish there was a scene of Whitetail telling Onestar off, when she finds out about Darktail lol Or Nightcloud and Whitetail bonding about being used, so that their mates could prove their loyalty to WindClan. She does get angry and speak out against Onestar when she finds out his secret. Really? That's awesome What did he say? lol
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 10, 2020 17:38:28 GMT -5
She does get angry and speak out against Onestar when she finds out his secret. Really? That's awesome What did he say? lol "I never knew that! Our Clan leader going off to make friends with kittypets!" But there's nothing like...super personal about it. Despite mentioning that she's sharing a den with Onestar in a book, her relationship with him is treated so distantly.
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Post by cowbird on Mar 10, 2020 17:42:23 GMT -5
Chicken I honestly me too. When you read other books and you see worse it makes what happens to some cats seem not as tragic even if they are Yeah, speaking of tragic things, I hate how pretty much every single one of The Prophecy Begins leaders had a tragic backstory..I know it helped shaped them into the leaders they became, but yeah I think they needed it- i expected nothing less tbh. But i wish, Tallstar's Revenge and Bluestar's Prophecy had more character development and growth. In that case, only Crookedstar's Promise felt complete.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:45:11 GMT -5
Really? That's awesome What did he say? lol "I never knew that! Our Clan leader going off to make friends with kittypets!" But there's nothing like...super personal about it. Despite mentioning that she's sharing a den with Onestar in a book, her relationship with him is treated so distantly. I really think she was another Nightcloud tbh, but maybe there was a LITTLE bit of love/friendship there, since she was his apprentice, but yeah. Heathertail and Breezepelt actually have quite a bit in common when it comes to their families...I wish I could have seen scenes of those two bonding over how Heathertail found out that she has a half brother she never knew about, kind of like when Breezepelt found out about the three.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:45:59 GMT -5
Yeah, speaking of tragic things, I hate how pretty much every single one of The Prophecy Begins leaders had a tragic backstory..I know it helped shaped them into the leaders they became, but yeah I think they needed it- i expected nothing less tbh. But i wish, Tallstar's Revenge and Bluestar's Prophecy had more character development and growth. In that case, only Crookedstar's Promise felt complete. Yeah true, I like how it actually showed how he was qualified to be deputy...and why he was the chosen one
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Post by cowbird on Mar 10, 2020 17:56:43 GMT -5
I think they needed it- i expected nothing less tbh. But i wish, Tallstar's Revenge and Bluestar's Prophecy had more character development and growth. In that case, only Crookedstar's Promise felt complete. Yeah true, I like how it actually showed how he was qualified to be deputy...and why he was the chosen one Exactly. The others couldnt relate sadly.
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