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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 18:51:08 GMT -5
Do you think had the lamest motive for doing what they did? Not including Ashfur, because I'm pretty sure the majority would choose him.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 27, 2020 18:56:31 GMT -5
Not Ashfur, well he's like the only one with a lame motive lmao.
In all seriousness, I'd say maybe Sleekwhisker? She was just angsty that Rowanstar made her childhood miserable, and thought to lie to her brothers (who sheltered her against Leafstar's orders) and betrayed her friendship with Yarrowleaf was alright to do?
Otherwise, I can't really think of anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 19:03:24 GMT -5
Not Ashfur, well he's like the only one with a lame motive lmao. In all seriousness, I'd say maybe Sleekwhisker? She was just angsty that Rowanstar made her childhood miserable, and thought to lie to her brothers (who sheltered her against Leafstar's orders) and betrayed her friendship with Yarrowleaf was alright to do? Otherwise, I can't really think of anyone else. I forgot about Sleekwhisker, I wish they would have went more in-depth with her reasoning, instead of making her be a Darkstripe 2.0, just someone who blindly follows who they believe to be the strongest.
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Post by Fireleap on Feb 27, 2020 19:15:26 GMT -5
Sol or Sleekwhisker
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 27, 2020 19:16:27 GMT -5
Sol.
That being said, I still thought he was a really cool villain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 19:22:31 GMT -5
Fireleap JaysnowI felt really bad for Sol in SkyClan and the Stranger, but I can see why people would view his motive as lame.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Feb 28, 2020 3:20:05 GMT -5
Sleekwhisker
what even was her motive again? Oh yeah something that had no build up and just happened cause plot sums up most warrior stories i guess
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Feb 28, 2020 4:37:20 GMT -5
Breezepelt, if you count him.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 28, 2020 6:45:17 GMT -5
Sol or Sleekwhisker, but moreso the latter. At least Sol was fun before OoTS where he came back with some weird BS motive to be the way he was to the clans alongside the comics.
Sleekwhisker I forget she's even a villain. Is she? She's honestly more of a henchman (Hencewoman??? idk) than a villain, and her "motive" is so dumb and made up I rather she just started murdering cats because she's that twisted and THAT would've been a better excuse than canon, her having no motive at all she's just that messed up in the head and wants to see the world burn and gets enjoyment out of it.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 28, 2020 9:13:34 GMT -5
Depends by what you mean by lame. If you mean as in the weakest excuse and reasoning, that's Ashfur, but if you mean in terms of giving weightiness as a villain then his motivations aren't lame at all. They're petty and nonsensical, but people in real life have acted on such motivations before and it's creepily realistic in that sense.
If you mean lame as in referring to a lack of weight, then it's very clearly Sol, whose backstory could have been good with the abusive parents but this is glossed over in favor of him just being bratty about being a Skyclan cat. The fact that it's so much wasted potential that's right there is what makes it top for me.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 28, 2020 15:41:21 GMT -5
Maybe Sol tbh? Because when it comes to the other villains it's usually some horrible event, or build up anger to the point of horrible events. Although I think Sol's backstory is pretty okay, it's not exactly the reason why he wanted to destroy the clans in the first place? His motives are just weak compared to the others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 21:40:07 GMT -5
Depends by what you mean by lame. If you mean as in the weakest excuse and reasoning, that's Ashfur, but if you mean in terms of giving weightiness as a villain then his motivations aren't lame at all. They're petty and nonsensical, but people in real life have acted on such motivations before and it's creepily realistic in that sense. If you mean lame as in referring to a lack of weight, then it's very clearly Sol, whose backstory could have been good with the abusive parents but this is glossed over in favor of him just being bratty about being a Skyclan cat. The fact that it's so much wasted potential that's right there is what makes it top for me. Do you think he would have worked better as a deliberately enigmatic antagonist, maybe something vaguely similar to John Carpenter's the Thing or the Joker in the Dark Knight?
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*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 29, 2020 0:37:16 GMT -5
Sol.
His motive was pretty terrible. And he's the worst villain in the series.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 29, 2020 0:52:02 GMT -5
Depends by what you mean by lame. If you mean as in the weakest excuse and reasoning, that's Ashfur, but if you mean in terms of giving weightiness as a villain then his motivations aren't lame at all. They're petty and nonsensical, but people in real life have acted on such motivations before and it's creepily realistic in that sense. If you mean lame as in referring to a lack of weight, then it's very clearly Sol, whose backstory could have been good with the abusive parents but this is glossed over in favor of him just being bratty about being a Skyclan cat. The fact that it's so much wasted potential that's right there is what makes it top for me. Do you think he would have worked better as a deliberately enigmatic antagonist, maybe something vaguely similar to John Carpenter's the Thing or the Joker in the Dark Knight? The Thing is a very, very odd comparison, but sure, I guess one could compare to Joker. He didn't really need a backstory to just be a wandering preacher. It would also have been interesting to expand more on why Midnight told him the secrets of the eclipse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 14:34:21 GMT -5
Do you think he would have worked better as a deliberately enigmatic antagonist, maybe something vaguely similar to John Carpenter's the Thing or the Joker in the Dark Knight? The Thing is a very, very odd comparison, but sure, I guess one could compare to Joker. He didn't really need a backstory to just be a wandering preacher. It would also have been interesting to expand more on why Midnight told him the secrets of the eclipse. Yeah it is, but it was just the first example that popped up in my head of a deliberately enigmatic villain. A villain whose mysterious and never explained background, is part of what makes them appealing. I was wondering if Sol should have been kept as that antagonist archetype.
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