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Post by aether on Feb 24, 2020 20:01:36 GMT -5
Cats like Cloudtail and Mothwing (I'm not sure of there are others from the top of my head) but how can they not believe starclan when literally:
Their leaders have 9 lives They literally fought against evil dead cats alongside good dead cats
Endless prophecies that have come true Cats with powers The other cats who believe starclan clearly have interacted with them multiple times how can you think it's all fairytales?
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 24, 2020 20:17:54 GMT -5
At least Mothwing believes in them now as of TBC, she just doesn't kiss the ground they walk on or believe they ALWAYS have good intentions. (Which yeah I agree??? She's the smart one in that area. Screw Starclan)
Also Mothwing's case of Starclan only being stars and nothing special would've worked in TNP as they hadn't gotten THAT invasive yet (Ouside the nine lives thing but idk how to explain that regarding those two and frankly NOBODY does tbh which is why athiest cats even in the first series was weird with it). It's when Starclan did start getting more invasive was when it got stupid. Remember when they wrote off her still not believing them as of AVoS being that the spirit cats were ROGUES??? That was so stupid I'm glad she's back to being sensible, because it got to the point where her fricking apprentice got pissed and called her out on her BS on that.
And I swear to god if they make it that Cloudtail cannot go to Starclan JUST because he doesn't believe in them I'm gonna punch a bazillion holes in a wall. Belief in the afterlife does not nor SHOULD IT keep someone out of that afterlife! And I'm saying this as an atheist myself. Keep the gates on it to morality only damnnit.
Anyways the Erins introducing atheist cats to this series was gonna fail if they were gonna make the supernatural elements on it extend to the point of undeniable existence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 20:18:35 GMT -5
That's what I'm wondering! Also...could Cloudtail have ever been leader, since he doesn't believe in StarClan?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 24, 2020 20:21:29 GMT -5
Mothwing makes the least amount of sense. Really, this entire concept was just handled really poorly. It would've made more sense if StarClan was just left ambiguous. It at least makes some sense in AVoS, but in general, it really is a mess. Mothwing apparently believes in StarClan now though (she just thinks they aren't always right, which is accurate), but I've no idea about Cloudtail.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 24, 2020 20:24:54 GMT -5
And I swear to god if they make it that Cloudtail cannot go to Starclan JUST because he doesn't believe in them I'm gonna punch a bazillion holes in a wall. Belief in the afterlife does not nor SHOULD IT keep someone out of that afterlife! And I'm saying this as an atheist myself. Keep the gates on it to morality only damnnit. Beenose of all cats was able to go to StarClan despite not believing in them, so it's likely Cloudtail will go there as well.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 24, 2020 20:28:00 GMT -5
And I swear to god if they make it that Cloudtail cannot go to Starclan JUST because he doesn't believe in them I'm gonna punch a bazillion holes in a wall. Belief in the afterlife does not nor SHOULD IT keep someone out of that afterlife! And I'm saying this as an atheist myself. Keep the gates on it to morality only damnnit. Beenose of all cats was able to go to StarClan despite not believing in them, so it's likely Cloudtail will go there as well. Thank god too because that whole debate was stupid, so it's nice to see it has no merit and he can get in fine.
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Post by aether on Feb 24, 2020 21:00:44 GMT -5
I wonder if there is 'cat heavan' for all the nonbelievers. Or do rogues and kittypets just miss out on everything? xD
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 24, 2020 21:49:55 GMT -5
Beenose of all cats was able to go to StarClan despite not believing in them, so it's likely Cloudtail will go there as well. Thank god too because that whole debate was stupid, so it's nice to see it has no merit and he can get in fine. I think there's something about Cloudtail that says he'll go to Starclan because he's a clan cat through and through or something. It doesn't make sense that he doesn't believe, but at the same time, he's an inherently good cat so there's no reason to deny him
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Post by aether on Feb 24, 2020 22:34:39 GMT -5
Thank god too because that whole debate was stupid, so it's nice to see it has no merit and he can get in fine. I think there's something about Cloudtail that says he'll go to Starclan because he's a clan cat through and through or something. It doesn't make sense that he doesn't believe, but at the same time, he's an inherently good cat so there's no reason to deny him He'll go to starclan and still refuse to believe it's real xD
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 24, 2020 23:51:08 GMT -5
I think there's something about Cloudtail that says he'll go to Starclan because he's a clan cat through and through or something. It doesn't make sense that he doesn't believe, but at the same time, he's an inherently good cat so there's no reason to deny him He'll go to starclan and still refuse to believe it's real xD 'I'm clearly hallucinating on kittypet food'
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