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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 14:49:23 GMT -5
It's clear that a lot of people believe that the possessor is Ashfur, but if you don't, why not?
I think he could be a red herring, like all the clues that seem to be pointing to him, could be a distraction from the real threat.
Also, looking back at his past crimes, he seems to be more of an opportunist, rather than a planner.
The fox trap, that was Hawkfrost and Tigerclaw I think, and he didn't start the fire, he just used it to his advantage.
Another thing, why is this just happening NOW?
He's had years to strike, what changed to make this all possible?
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Jan 4, 2020 15:14:33 GMT -5
Well people think him seeing Squirrelflight in Starclan made him snap.
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Post by lollycat on Jan 4, 2020 15:18:21 GMT -5
I agree that Ashfur is a red herring. Some of the things seems to point to him too perfectly. It was Hawkfrost and Tigerclaw who planed the fox trap for Firestar. To me I think Hawkfrost and Tigerclaw is some how behind what is going on in both Starclan and the EarthClans.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 16:01:33 GMT -5
Dancing_TotodileThat makes sense as to why it's just happening now lollycatWell, spoilers for Omen of the Stars, if you haven't read it they died twice, like, their whole spirit and everything are dead. They were double killed. Though, maybe they went somewhere else, and this could be a new introduction to an after-after life that we don't know about.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 4, 2020 19:36:50 GMT -5
There's too many things pointing to Ashfur, so I agree that it could be a red herring. I don't believe it's Ashfur since his part in the series is over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 19:43:16 GMT -5
There's too many things pointing to Ashfur, so I agree that it could be a red herring. I don't believe it's Ashfur since is part in the series is over. That's one of my thoughts about it as well But then again, we thought Tigerclaw's part was over in the first series, but he just kept coming back
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 4, 2020 19:52:42 GMT -5
There's too many things pointing to Ashfur, so I agree that it could be a red herring. I don't believe it's Ashfur since his part in the series is over. That's one of my thoughts about it as well But then again, we thought Tigerclaw's part was over in the first series, but he just kept coming back That was the worst. He needed to stay dead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 19:55:14 GMT -5
That's one of my thoughts about it as well But then again, we thought Tigerclaw's part was over in the first series, but he just kept coming back That was the worst. He needed to stay dead. Agreed! I think his storyline should have been wrapped up in the first arc, instead of him living through his stupid pointless kits in the second series, Lionblaze in the third series, and etc
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 4, 2020 19:57:20 GMT -5
That was the worst. He needed to stay dead. Agreed! I think his storyline should have been wrapped up in the first arc, instead of him living through his stupid pointless kits in the second series, Lionblaze in the third series, and etc Yeah! He never quits. -_- I feel bad for his kits.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 19:59:33 GMT -5
Agreed! I think his storyline should have been wrapped up in the first arc, instead of him living through his stupid pointless kits in the second series, Lionblaze in the third series, and etc Yeah! He never quit. -_- I feel bad for his kits. So do I, I'm curious to know how Hawkfrost would have turned out without his influence
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 4, 2020 20:01:08 GMT -5
Yeah! He never quit. -_- I feel bad for his kits. So do I, I'm curious to know how Hawkfrost would have turned out without his influence Same. I can't see him being completely good. But somewhere in the middle of good and a brat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 20:11:36 GMT -5
So do I, I'm curious to know how Hawkfrost would have turned out without his influence Same. I can't see him being completely good. But somewhere in the middle of good and a brat. Yeah, I wonder if Mothwing would have still been a medicine cat?
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 4, 2020 20:23:09 GMT -5
Same. I can't see him being completely good. But somewhere in the middle of good and a brat. Yeah, I wonder if Mothwing would have still been a medicine cat? Maybe.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 4, 2020 23:12:35 GMT -5
I agree with the Tigerclaw bit, I was more annoyed at how he originally died, and I didn't like him being replaced with an edgy kittypet. All the build-up to the Tiger vs Fire fight was kinda thrown out the window and we had to wait eons to finally see it in the Last Hope.
As for the possible person being the possessor, their obsession with Squirrelflight and the other circumstances, makes it hard for it not to be Ashfur.
Ashfur was the only other love interest Squirrelflight had besides Bramblestar, and if we're counting Stormfur, he now has a new mate and is part of the tribe.
It can't be Hawkfrost or Tigerstar because they both died twice, and when that happens they're gone for good, like Spottedleaf.
I doubt it's Sol, he had no interest in Squirrelflight romantically, and we don't even know if he's actually dead or not.
It can't be edgy kittypet, he doesn't even know about the lake territories, also he's Squirrelflight's uncle.
Mapleshade is possible, but the voice was male, and she was practically see-through when Ivypool knew her, she could be an accomplice but not the possessor imo.
Honestly, Ashfur is the best suspect here...it would be even stranger if it was some rando who's a Squirrelflight fanboy tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 23:19:50 GMT -5
I agree with the Tigerclaw bit, I was more annoyed at how he originally died, and I didn't like him being replaced with an edgy kittypet. All the build-up to the Tiger vs Fire fight was kinda thrown out the window and we had to wait eons to finally see it in the Last Hope. As for the possible person being the possessor, their obsession with Squirrelflight and the other circumstances, makes it hard for it not to be Ashfur. Ashfur was the only other love interest Squirrelflight had besides Bramblestar, and if we're counting Stormfur, he now has a new mate and is part of the tribe. It can't be Hawkfrost or Tigerstar because they both died twice, and when that happens they're gone for good, like Spottedleaf. I doubt it's Sol, he had no interest in Squirrelflight romantically, and we don't even know if he's actually dead or not. It can't be edgy kittypet, he doesn't even know about the lake territories, also he's Squirrelflight's uncle. Mapleshade is possible, but the voice was male, and she was practically see-through when Ivypool knew her, she could be an accomplice but not the possessor imo. Honestly, Ashfur is the best suspect here...it would be even stranger if it was some rando who's a Squirrelflight fanboy tbh. True, I guess it would be better for it to be Ashfur, than some rando we've never heard of. Watch it be ANOTHER illegitimate kit of Tigerstar lol. The thing about Mapleshade.. they start to fade when they get forgotten right? What if after the Dark Forest Battle, cats are remembering her because they saw in the battle, and she is now solid again?
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Post by Moon on Jan 4, 2020 23:27:25 GMT -5
It's Nightcloud
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Post by Fernstep on Jan 4, 2020 23:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by Lightflame on Jan 4, 2020 23:29:43 GMT -5
I am Warriors author Cherith Baldry. I know because in Veil of Shadows, which I wrote, the possessor is revealed to be Larksong, who wants to go at with his gf's mom.
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Post by Moon on Jan 4, 2020 23:31:12 GMT -5
Think about it, who else would it be? She checks all the boxes.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 5, 2020 17:01:07 GMT -5
Buff WindClan mom has better things to do than to waste her time on BrambleSquirrel's failing marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 17:12:16 GMT -5
Buff WindClan mom has better things to do than to waste her time on BrambleSquirrel's failing marriage. She, Daisy, and Berrynose are busy forming the "Can I speak to your manager" club
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 5, 2020 17:15:13 GMT -5
Buff WindClan mom has better things to do than to waste her time on BrambleSquirrel's failing marriage. She, Daisy, and Berrynose are busy forming the "Can I speak to your manager" club They go to the gym on Wednesdays and bench press.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 17:27:01 GMT -5
She, Daisy, and Berrynose are busy forming the "Can I speak to your manager" club They go to the gym on Wednesdays and bench press. Yes XD and afterwards, they go to the local health smoothie shop, and compare recipes for gluten free muffins
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Post by icefurs on Jan 5, 2020 21:52:40 GMT -5
There's too many things pointing to Ashfur, so I agree that it could be a red herring. I don't believe it's Ashfur since his part in the series is over. Kate did say this series would have the "return of a controversial character" and I think that Ashfur is one of few who fits that bill. If all that is a red herring, i'd be impressed.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 6, 2020 0:21:32 GMT -5
There's too many things pointing to Ashfur, so I agree that it could be a red herring. I don't believe it's Ashfur since his part in the series is over. Kate did say this series would have the "return of a controversial character" and I think that Ashfur is one of few who fits that bill. If all that is a red herring, i'd be impressed. Honestly, atm, Ashfur is probably the most controversial character in the series that never got a proper close and shut situation with a resolution. So I would be surprised if it wasn't him tbh.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jan 6, 2020 0:30:02 GMT -5
I've been saying since the beginning that I don't think it's Ashfur. But we'll see I guess
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Jan 6, 2020 0:47:03 GMT -5
It's actually Breezepelt. That's why Breezepelt acts like a completely different person now. The Breezepelt currently in WindClans is a doppelganger and the real Breezepelt is the possesser.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 8:34:31 GMT -5
It's actually Breezepelt. That's why Breezepelt acts like a completely different person now. The Breezepelt currently in WindClans is a doppelganger and the real Breezepelt is the possesser. I knew it! So, we know that the possessor is Breezepelt, but who is the doppelganger?
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 6, 2020 14:52:19 GMT -5
There's too many things pointing to Ashfur, so I agree that it could be a red herring. I don't believe it's Ashfur since his part in the series is over. Kate did say this series would have the "return of a controversial character" and I think that Ashfur is one of few who fits that bill. If all that is a red herring, i'd be impressed. True. But I must be one of the few who thinks that Ashfur's not a controversial character. What he did was wrong.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Jan 6, 2020 16:40:17 GMT -5
I want to say it's a different cat because they're building up this arc pretty well and for them to reveal it's just Ashfur would be kinda lame.
I want to believe the possessor is Darktail because of how quickly he was killed off. If Ashfur is in the plot, then he might be the secondary cat helping him.
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