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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:03:33 GMT -5
That you have a hard time sympathizing with?
For me, it's
1. Lizardstripe, I know first hand what it's like to have to take care of a baby that I don't want to, however, that doesn't give her the right to treat that baby the way she did, it's not his fault. Apparently, she nipped him and refused to give him milk, and that isn't right.
2. Rainflower, big deal if she was used to "beautiful things" also, if she was so worried about him dying, why did she still treat him like garbage, and always talk about how much better Oakheart was, after he was a full grown warrior with no risk of dying? Rainflower is scum, and I don't feel sorry for her at all.
3. Onestar, he's all pissed off because Tallstar made him leader when he doesn't want to be? Whatever, that doesn't give him the right to treat his friend, who saved his life, THREE TIMES! Once, even giving a life for him, like crap. That doesn't give him the right, to piss on all the hopes that Tallstar had for the future of WindClan. Oh, his son he abandoned came back to raise heck? Well, sucks to suck, I don't feel sorry for him at all.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Dec 18, 2019 21:06:05 GMT -5
i was going to say ashfur but im pretty sure he counts as a villain. rainflower also counts imo
anyways crowfeather and onestar
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:07:08 GMT -5
i was going to say ashfur but im pretty sure he counts as a villain. rainflower also counts imo anyways crowfeather and onestar I totally forgot about Ashfur! I can never remember his existence even though he's been discussed a thousand times lately XD Whenever I make posts like this, I ALWAYS forget about him.
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 19, 2019 11:35:49 GMT -5
The second Tigerstar and his blatant excesses of power where he threatens everyone and attacks pregnant cats who pose zero threat to him just because he wants to swing his weight around. Truly an awful cat, and I do cross my fingers that fake Bramble ices him.
Mudclaw was going to murder Leopardstar and install a Riverclan cat as his deputy just because he was having a toddler level tantrum over not getting his way as leader.
Leopardstar is a slimy coward who makes basically all of her own problems. Zero sympathy for her plight in Tigerclan, she brought it all on herself and didn't bother showing any spine until it was convenient for her to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 13:24:23 GMT -5
The second Tigerstar and his blatant excesses of power where he threatens everyone and attacks pregnant cats who pose zero threat to him just because he wants to swing his weight around. Truly an awful cat, and I do cross my fingers that fake Bramble ices him. Mudclaw was going to murder Leopardstar and install a Riverclan cat as his deputy just because he was having a toddler level tantrum over not getting his way as leader. Leopardstar is a slimy coward who makes basically all of her own problems. Zero sympathy for her plight in Tigerclan, she brought it all on herself and didn't bother showing any spine until it was convenient for her to do so. Tigerstar wasn't the only cat to wage war on Moonlight, and they gave her PLENTY of time to move, sure it wasn't the best thing to do, and it all turned out for nothing, but they were trying to do what they thought was best. Also, he seemed really concerned when someone mentioned that there were kits involved. Tigerstar didn't act alone, so I don't know why he's getting all this hate, Mistystar and Harestar wanted war just as much as he did. The thing about Mudclaw is just speculation. I agree 100% about Leopardstar
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Post by halogen on Dec 19, 2019 14:31:39 GMT -5
I mean, I hate Onestar (as a cat, as I've mentioned I like him as a character) too but not for the same reasons. He didn't have an obligation to side with Firestar just because they were friends, even if he saved his life - I mean, how would you like if your country's president/prime minster/whatever believed they had to do anything for a foreign leader and always take their side just because they were friends. The problem with Onestar were his actions towards the other Clans being incredibly cruel (just invading ThunderClan out of nowhere, refusing ShadowClan herbs), and that would have been bad whether or not he was Firestar's friend. So Onestar is completely right that he can't act under debt to another Clan's leader, the problem isn't that he's "ungrateful" but that he's just cruel and aggressive and harms other Clans by action or inaction in a way that would be equally bad no matter their past history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 14:34:38 GMT -5
I mean, I hate Onestar (as a cat, as I've mentioned I like him as a character) too but not for the same reasons. He didn't have an obligation to side with Firestar just because they were friends, even if he saved his life - I mean, how would you like if your country's president/prime minster/whatever believed they had to do anything for a foreign leader and always take their side just because they were friends. The problem with Onestar were his actions towards the other Clans being incredibly cruel (just invading ThunderClan out of nowhere, refusing ShadowClan herbs), and that would have been bad whether or not he was Firestar's friend. So Onestar is completely right that he can't act under debt to another Clan's leader, the problem isn't that he's "ungrateful" but that he's just cruel and aggressive and harms other Clans by action or inaction in a way that would be equally bad no matter their past history. True, and I dislike him for all of those reasons as well
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 19, 2019 15:14:08 GMT -5
The second Tigerstar and his blatant excesses of power where he threatens everyone and attacks pregnant cats who pose zero threat to him just because he wants to swing his weight around. Truly an awful cat, and I do cross my fingers that fake Bramble ices him. Mudclaw was going to murder Leopardstar and install a Riverclan cat as his deputy just because he was having a toddler level tantrum over not getting his way as leader. Leopardstar is a slimy coward who makes basically all of her own problems. Zero sympathy for her plight in Tigerclan, she brought it all on herself and didn't bother showing any spine until it was convenient for her to do so. Tigerstar wasn't the only cat to wage war on Moonlight, and they gave her PLENTY of time to move, sure it wasn't the best thing to do, and it all turned out for nothing, but they were trying to do what they thought was best. Also, he seemed really concerned when someone mentioned that there were kits involved. Tigerstar didn't act alone, so I don't know why he's getting all this hate, Mistystar and Harestar wanted war just as much as he did. The thing about Mudclaw is just speculation. I agree 100% about Leopardstar Tigerstar wasn't the only one, but he holds the most responsibility because he was the one who constantly pushed and argued for it. And threatened other clans with war if they didn't follow along with his little plan. He only seemed concerned when the clans turned on him, he didn't care at all beforehand and was in fact just going to kill them all by caving in the tunnel on them. Mistystar and Harestar were acting like idiots too, but they weren't threatening to destroy Skyclan if the other clans didn't follow along and they weren't encouraging their warriors to force a cave-in on the heads of the Sisters. The Mudclaw thing is factually not a speculation. It's something that Mudclaw confessed, it's just a straight up fact. I don't know why there's this insistence on calling Mudclaw a liar when he had every reason to be honest. If he was lying, then he'd be incriminating himself LESS not more. There's a bizarre cognitive dissonance to not take him at face value when we do take every other character at face value.
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Post by Uะผะฒัแด on Dec 19, 2019 16:12:07 GMT -5
All the abusive parents (Rainflower, Lizardstripe, Sandgorse, etc.) and the abusive mates (Raggedstar). Basically, anyone who is just terrible with no redeeming qualities, but is not an actual villain.
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Post by halogen on Dec 19, 2019 17:22:25 GMT -5
Tigerstar wasn't the only cat to wage war on Moonlight, and they gave her PLENTY of time to move, sure it wasn't the best thing to do, and it all turned out for nothing, but they were trying to do what they thought was best. Also, he seemed really concerned when someone mentioned that there were kits involved. Tigerstar didn't act alone, so I don't know why he's getting all this hate, Mistystar and Harestar wanted war just as much as he did. The thing about Mudclaw is just speculation. I agree 100% about Leopardstar Tigerstar wasn't the only one, but he holds the most responsibility because he was the one who constantly pushed and argued for it. And threatened other clans with war if they didn't follow along with his little plan. He only seemed concerned when the clans turned on him, he didn't care at all beforehand and was in fact just going to kill them all by caving in the tunnel on them. Mistystar and Harestar were acting like idiots too, but they weren't threatening to destroy Skyclan if the other clans didn't follow along and they weren't encouraging their warriors to force a cave-in on the heads of the Sisters. The Mudclaw thing is factually not a speculation. It's something that Mudclaw confessed, it's just a straight up fact. I don't know why there's this insistence on calling Mudclaw a liar when he had every reason to be honest. If he was lying, then he'd be incriminating himself LESS not more. There's a bizarre cognitive dissonance to not take him at face value when we do take every other character at face value. Because Mudclaw wasn't trying to look good to ThunderClan or the readers. He was trying to look good to Hawkfrost, the cat he needs on his side. If he was lying, he would be lying to get Hawkfrost to support him and not to make himself look better by showing how little he cares about Hawkfrost.
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 19, 2019 18:02:55 GMT -5
Tigerstar wasn't the only one, but he holds the most responsibility because he was the one who constantly pushed and argued for it. And threatened other clans with war if they didn't follow along with his little plan. He only seemed concerned when the clans turned on him, he didn't care at all beforehand and was in fact just going to kill them all by caving in the tunnel on them. Mistystar and Harestar were acting like idiots too, but they weren't threatening to destroy Skyclan if the other clans didn't follow along and they weren't encouraging their warriors to force a cave-in on the heads of the Sisters. The Mudclaw thing is factually not a speculation. It's something that Mudclaw confessed, it's just a straight up fact. I don't know why there's this insistence on calling Mudclaw a liar when he had every reason to be honest. If he was lying, then he'd be incriminating himself LESS not more. There's a bizarre cognitive dissonance to not take him at face value when we do take every other character at face value. Because Mudclaw wasn't trying to look good to ThunderClan or the readers. He was trying to look good to Hawkfrost, the cat he needs on his side. If he was lying, he would be lying to get Hawkfrost to support him and not to make himself look better by showing how little he cares about Hawkfrost. Except he was speaking to Brambleclaw, not Hawkfrost. He was trying to convince Brambleclaw to let him go by basically saying "Okay, I'm really bad, but that guy, he's bad too!". If he was trying to get Hawkfrost on his side, this strategy doesn't really work since Hawkfrost has zero reason to help him at this point and nothing he says indicates this.
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Post by Fernshiine on Dec 21, 2019 11:24:39 GMT -5
I hate Lizardstripe, Skystar, Onestar, and Leafstar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 11:31:18 GMT -5
I hate Lizardstripe, Skystar, Onestar, and Leafstar. Why Leafstar?
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Post by Fernshiine on Dec 21, 2019 11:39:43 GMT -5
I hate Lizardstripe, Skystar, Onestar, and Leafstar. Why Leafstar? I don't like how she treats some cats tbh. I liked in in Firestar's Quest and even Squirrelflight's Hope but that's it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 11:41:13 GMT -5
I don't like how she treats some cats tbh. I liked in in Firestar's Quest and even Squirrelflight's Hope but that's it. Oh, that makes sense
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Dec 21, 2019 14:28:41 GMT -5
Rainflower is probably one of my least favourite characters. To neglect a young child throughout the course of his life just because of his appearance is pretty nasty, and the fact that sheโs his mother makes it so much worse. Her lack of affection was probably one of the reasons Crookedkit fell victim to Mapleshade, that cat that basically ruins his life. She didnโt discourage Crookedkit when he was being stupid (Standing on a thin branch whilst being attacked by a bird, following a patrol to a potential battle) to all this, Rainflower responds with โIโm lucky to have such a brave handsome kit.โ Her reassurance didnโt exactly help either, instead Stormkit and Oakkit went exploring, resulting in his broken jaw. Also, at his warrior ceremony, where everyone should be happy/celebrating, she tells Oakheart that heโll never be as good as him.
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Post by โ
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on Dec 21, 2019 14:36:16 GMT -5
Onestar: Never should have been a leader. He was a coward from the start, when it came to his illegal love life, his clan, and even as a leader. He didn't deserve leadership and had literally no credentials for it. I'd rather have Mudclaw over some idiot that's willing to let another clan die out just because he doesn't want to pay child support. Blackstar: Again, shouldn't have been given leadership. He murdered an elder, murdered another warrior in front of an audience, and gets off with a slap on the wrist. And then rewarded with leadership, the worst thing is that he's the best Shadow had in the long run, just goes to show how horribly low their standards are at this point. Star Flower and Clear Sky: Both utterly irritating and disgusting individuals. One murdered one of his old allies in cold blood, then watched a kit get the snot beaten out of them. The other betrayed the trust of the group, stood by while her father terrorized them and even tortured her future mate. These two are horrid. Millie: Horrible mother and I will never have sympathy for her considering how she treated her kits. I personally find it amusing that Graystripe barely gives her the time or day. Crowfeather: I lost all sympathy for him after he used Nightcloud and Breezepelt, while neglecting them both, for his own gain. And then also throwing Leafpool under the bus just because he was bitter that she chose her clan over him. Dovewing and Tigerstar II: They betrayed their clan several times over, and dragged down too many other cats with their foolishness. I could care less if either or both get iced and that goes for their children too.
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Post by Fernshiine on Dec 21, 2019 16:46:20 GMT -5
I don't really have much sympathy for Darkstar either. She let Appledusk stay in RiverClan but threw Mapleshade, a grieving queenout without letting her medicine cat make sure she was alright.
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Dec 21, 2019 17:50:50 GMT -5
I don't really have much sympathy for Darkstar either. She let Appledusk stay in RiverClan but threw Mapleshade, a grieving queenout without letting her medicine cat make sure she was alright. For me, it was more because Mapleshade wasnโt even allowed a few minutes to mourn her dead children, who werenโt even buried.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 19:59:16 GMT -5
Rainflower didn't even show up during Crookedstar's leadership ceremony. Scum.
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danyren
president of the birchfall fanclub
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Post by danyren on Dec 23, 2019 20:11:08 GMT -5
Blossomfall: her reasoning for going to the dark forest is ridiculous - you're a full blown warrior now and your sister is horribly injured, of course millie (who i also dislike for the general fact that she just bores me) isn't going to pay as much attention to you! plus her xenophobia in squirrelflight's hope is so intense. considering she trained in the DF and redeemed herself, you'd think she'd be willing to give the Sister's a chance to prove themselves.
Adderfang: i think it's kinda implied his aggressive behavior made thistleclaw more aggressive who in turn made tigerstar more aggressive. way to go, adderfang.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 23, 2019 20:27:45 GMT -5
Jagged Peak, Holly, Sandgorse, Foxheart, Lizardstripe, Rainflower, Graystripe, Bramblestar, Nightcloud, Breezepelt, Bumblestripe, Blossomfall, Ivypool, and Twigbranch. And if they count, Tom and Sleekwhisker. There's probably more, but these are the ones that come to mind.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 23, 2019 20:29:42 GMT -5
Adderfang: i think it's kinda implied his aggressive behavior made thistleclaw more aggressive who in turn made tigerstar more aggressive. way to go, adderfang. Adderfang was aggressive, but not needlessly so like Thistleclaw and Tigerstar were.
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president of the birchfall fanclub
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Post by danyren on Dec 23, 2019 21:26:55 GMT -5
Adderfang: i think it's kinda implied his aggressive behavior made thistleclaw more aggressive who in turn made tigerstar more aggressive. way to go, adderfang. Adderfang was aggressive, but not needlessly so like Thistleclaw and Tigerstar were. i agree with that! but i still think his aggressive demeanor still enhanced thistleclaw's arrogance and aggressive behavior. i don't think he's nearly as bad as thistle or tiger.
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Post by Fernshiine on Dec 23, 2019 21:28:34 GMT -5
Adderfang was aggressive, but not needlessly so like Thistleclaw and Tigerstar were. i agree with that! but i still think his aggressive demeanor still enhanced thistleclaw's arrogance and aggressive behavior. i don't think he's nearly as bad as thistle or tiger. Agreed!
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Post by Moon on Jan 5, 2020 0:34:03 GMT -5
While I believe that Lizardstripe and Rainflower are definitely antagonists, I'd say my least relatable non-villain is Bramblestar or Blossomfall.
Bramblestar- Totally inside his own head, doesn't listen to others, acts like he hates his own mate.
Blossomfall- Inconsiderate, bullyish, currently double parked, really horrible overall to her mother and siblings.
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Post by Fernstep on Jan 5, 2020 0:36:17 GMT -5
Breezepelt? Does he count? I mean, they certainly like to present him as a non-villain now, so...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 0:37:04 GMT -5
moonkitti!! i cant believe you are REAL
i am a huge fan of your warriors cat videos and funny content!!!
like this post!!
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Post by Moon on Jan 5, 2020 0:39:11 GMT -5
moonkitti!! i cant believe you are REAL i am a huge fan of your warriors cat videos and funny content!!! like this post!! Ashfur is also an unrelatable charater because unlike him, I hate moonkitti. But I think I'm ashamed to say I unfortunately found Ashfur to be very ~deep~ and ~relatable~ when I was 14.
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