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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 20:24:25 GMT -5
...is so boring. It honestly feels like a chore to read. I'm more than halfway through, and no revenge has happened. The pacing just feels sluggish. I find most of the cats in the book range from annoying to unlikable. Even Tallstar is grating on me with his attitude and salt. I get that he's upset over Sandgorse and Palebird's new family, and he's entitled to feel that way. But the way he's handling it just drives me up the wall. Hopefully Jake can make things better, he was cute in Pinestar's Choice.
What did you think of this SE?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Dec 13, 2019 20:28:43 GMT -5
My feelings on this SE tend to be very mixed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 20:38:43 GMT -5
I agree with it being boring! It's close to the bottom of my favorite to least favorite SEs.
The tunneling was an awesome aspect, but too bad it only lasted like 10 chapters, and not much of it was shown.
One part that did make it a bit entertaining though, was the fact that Shrewpaw's fat butt ALWAYS wanted something to eat.
He was always like,
"Yo, when are we eating?" "Can we eat now?" etc
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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 18, 2019 6:19:37 GMT -5
My feelings on the SE are very mixed. Nowadays when I'm reading it I skip the entire first half of the book because of characters like fricking Shrewbitch being such a sore spot for me, to where I can't deal with him so I just high-tail it to when Talltail leaves Windclan for a while.
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Post by สแดษชษดสแดแดา ๐ on Dec 18, 2019 8:08:34 GMT -5
I never liked it. I was one of my least favorite SEs, which is unfortunate given that WindClan currently has rather poor SEs.
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Dec 18, 2019 9:00:53 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed it. It was slow at times, but there were some really nice aspects of it for me, minor characters given more personality and development (Sandgorse,Dawnstripe, Shrewclaw, Barkface, Palebird, Deadfoot etc.) Tallstar himself had a very negative view of the world, which was interesting to read. He often wondered if Palebird would be happier if Finchkit survived instead of him, went through all sorts of self doubt and grief. His character is flawed, but throughout the book he realises heโs in the wrong and becomes a better person. His relationship with Jake is sweet too. Thatโs not to say there isnโt lots of flaws in the book, the storyline wasnโt executed well, but I did like it.
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Post by Fireleap on Dec 18, 2019 18:35:23 GMT -5
I remember enjoying it a lot, but then again I haven't read it in years.
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Post by Moon on Jan 5, 2020 0:19:51 GMT -5
Really? I always thought that Tallstar's Revenge was one of the better SEs, when it comes to being interested as you read, at least. I find Skyclan's Destiny to be the slowest.
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Post by Lightflame on Jan 5, 2020 0:21:40 GMT -5
I consider Tallstar's Revenge the strongest Super Edition, and the second strongest book in the series. It had really good character dynamics and perfectly executed emotional beats.
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Post by Fernstep on Jan 5, 2020 0:21:53 GMT -5
Tallstar's Revenge is the best Super Edition in the series, and my favorite Warriors book overall. It's unique and different from any other Warriors book. Unlike the other pre-ITW SEs, it's almost entirely unconnected to established plot points or scenes, and it's able to focus exclusively on the development of its main character and his supporting cast. The romance is heartbreaking and the lessons Talltail learns are super valuable for any teenager struggling with their identity, which is true for lots of Warriors's fans. Overall the book just excels at so much.
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Post by barley on Jan 5, 2020 0:25:53 GMT -5
Tallstar's Revenge was one of my favorite books...Tallstar finding himself struck a chord with young me. It was slow at first but I think it was the best Coming of Age SE and had one of the best developed romances, and Tallstar choosing his clan in the end and realizing he didn't have to listen to his anger and grief telling him to kill a cat. Palebird's Postpartum depression was extremely well written and the book had an overall great bittersweet feeling.
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Post by cqd on Jan 5, 2020 0:25:59 GMT -5
I honestly find it difficult to see why so many people dislike Tallstar's Revenge. It's one of my favourite books in the series, it easily makes my top 10. I think it's one of the best books in the series for worldbuilding a truly interesting culture and environment. Admittedly, the travelling is... not great, and I'm not actually the biggest fan of the way the book is paced - I'm one of the few in the fandom who thinks TallxJake didn't get enough proper development to be likable as a ship. And Shrewclaw's arc was... poorly executed, in my opinion. However, these things don't drag it down as a book for me at all. It is very good, and I wish the Erin's had the ability to write more amazing books like this one.
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Post by icestorm99 on Jan 5, 2020 0:26:49 GMT -5
I'm not as thrilled with Tallstar's Revenge as most I've seen, in that I find some other super editions to be closet to my heart. With that said, it is a phenomenal piece of art that created a culture within warriors the likes of which we'd never previously seen and gave me hope that other clans could realistically have traditions like that as well, just out of our sights. Tallstar as a character is very interesting, in his arc and the fact that no one around him is ever made to be the specific hero or villain of the story, unlike say in Crookedstar's Promise where Rainflower and Mapleshade were clear antagonists. Tallstar's opponents are mostly self-made and he has to learn through his journey the difference between his mind and reality. It's truly astounding.
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Post by firestar101 on Jan 5, 2020 0:28:20 GMT -5
I won't lie I found TR, a little boring as well. The ending more than makes up for it however.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 0:28:58 GMT -5
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Post by Fernstep on Jan 5, 2020 0:29:39 GMT -5
I honestly find it difficult to see why so many people dislike Tallstar's Revenge. It's one of my favourite books in the series, it easily makes my top 10. I think it's one of the best books in the series for worldbuilding a truly interesting culture and environment. Admittedly, the travelling is... not great, and I'm not actually the biggest fan of the way the book is paced - I'm one of the few in the fandom who thinks TallxJake didn't get enough proper development to be likable as a ship. And Shrewclaw's arc was... poorly executed, in my opinion. However, these things don't drag it down as a book for me at all. It is very good, and I wish the Erin's had the ability to write more amazing books like this one. Even when it comes to Shrewclaw, I think there's value in the way the character was written. The irrationality of a bully character and the protagonist's eventual reconciliation with him, especially the line where Talltail admits he'll never be friends with Shrewclaw but can still be his Clanmate, is a valuable component of the book, in that it demonstrates that not everyone will always be able to accept a person even after they mature on a personal level. That said, I understand why some feel there is inconsistency and too much vitriol from Shrewclaw in some scenes.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jan 5, 2020 2:44:07 GMT -5
I'm one of the few in the fandom who thinks TallxJake didn't get enough proper development to be likable as a ship. I actually agree with this. Especially when you realize their "relationship" only lasted a week in canon time. Plus Jake acting like he knew Talltail and that he would never kill a cat was... weird, especially when you take into account that Jake barely knows Talltail in actuality, and Talltail barely knows too much of Jake outside what he could see. (We don't even know much if anything about Jake's owner, I would've liked to hear him gush at least once about how good his owner is for some added cuteness.) So yeah it's kinda another ship that was made better than it actually is in canon by the fandom. Only this time it actually disappointed me to see the actuality of it. I was hoping Jake and Tall would have more time together, and would learn about one another. Have some kittypet curiosity come out of Jake towards Talltail, since Talltail eventually got pretty comfy around the kittypet. Have their relationship last more than a week so that it didn't feel fleeting. INTRODUCE JAKE EARLIER THAN HALFWAY/THREE FOURTHS INTO THE STORY! Was I the only one to have been aching for Jake to come in earlier than was given? I remember seeing the visitors come for the first time and thought "Oh! So this is when he comes in!" But no, he doesn't appear until halfway in, and is such a minor major character in the SE. x.x Like... I've downgraded from liking the ship to being neutral about it because it's not as great in canon as it could've been. Sure they still made me cry, but that was in my first reading and I don't really get analytical on first readings anyways.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jan 5, 2020 3:06:01 GMT -5
I'm one of the few in the fandom who thinks TallxJake didn't get enough proper development to be likable as a ship. I actually agree with this. Especially when you realize their "relationship" only lasted a week in canon time. Plus Jake acting like he knew Talltail and that he would never kill a cat was... weird, especially when you take into account that Jake barely knows Talltail in actuality, and Talltail barely knows too much of Jake outside what he could see. (We don't even know much if anything about Jake's owner, I would've liked to hear him gush at least once about how good his owner is for some added cuteness.) So yeah it's kinda another ship that was made better than it actually is in canon by the fandom. Only this time it actually disappointed me to see the actuality of it. I was hoping Jake and Tall would have more time together, and would learn about one another. Have some kittypet curiosity come out of Jake towards Talltail, since Talltail eventually got pretty comfy around the kittypet. Have their relationship last more than a week so that it didn't feel fleeting. INTRODUCE JAKE EARLIER THAN HALFWAY/THREE FOURTHS INTO THE STORY! Was I the only one to have been aching for Jake to come in earlier than was given? I remember seeing the visitors come for the first time and thought "Oh! So this is when he comes in!" But no, he doesn't appear until halfway in, and is such a minor major character in the SE. x.x Like... I've downgraded from liking the ship to being neutral about it because it's not as great in canon as it could've been. Sure they still made me cry, but that was in my first reading and I don't really get analytical on first readings anyways. This is exactly why I have trouble liking the ship as well. Jake really should've been introduced earlier in the story. There's clearly mutual affection between him and Talltail, I just wish the relationship itself had been given more time to be fleshed out.
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Post by morningflower on Jan 5, 2020 4:30:26 GMT -5
I actually agree with this. Especially when you realize their "relationship" only lasted a week in canon time. Plus Jake acting like he knew Talltail and that he would never kill a cat was... weird, especially when you take into account that Jake barely knows Talltail in actuality, and Talltail barely knows too much of Jake outside what he could see. (We don't even know much if anything about Jake's owner, I would've liked to hear him gush at least once about how good his owner is for some added cuteness.) So yeah it's kinda another ship that was made better than it actually is in canon by the fandom. Only this time it actually disappointed me to see the actuality of it. I was hoping Jake and Tall would have more time together, and would learn about one another. Have some kittypet curiosity come out of Jake towards Talltail, since Talltail eventually got pretty comfy around the kittypet. Have their relationship last more than a week so that it didn't feel fleeting. INTRODUCE JAKE EARLIER THAN HALFWAY/THREE FOURTHS INTO THE STORY! Was I the only one to have been aching for Jake to come in earlier than was given? I remember seeing the visitors come for the first time and thought "Oh! So this is when he comes in!" But no, he doesn't appear until halfway in, and is such a minor major character in the SE. x.x Like... I've downgraded from liking the ship to being neutral about it because it's not as great in canon as it could've been. Sure they still made me cry, but that was in my first reading and I don't really get analytical on first readings anyways. This is exactly why I have trouble liking the ship as well. Jake really should've been introduced earlier in the story. There's clearly mutual affection between him and Talltail, I just wish the relationship itself had been given more time to be fleshed out. I don't want to accuse the Erins of being slightly uncomfortable handling their relationship but...it kind of came off that way to me unfortunately. Which is weird because Ravenpaw and Barley had some really sweet moments in Ravenpaw's Farewell, but I figured writing an 'old marrieds' gay situation might be easier to write for them then one they had to develop from scratch. I still like TallJake for the potential and I enjoy what we did get of them, and I have positive feelings about some parts of Tallstar's Revenge and found it pretty readable, though.
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