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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 16:17:15 GMT -5
These books CONSTANTLY talk about how Squirrelflight raised Leafpool's kits, and I guess that's true, I mean, they did believe she was their mother.
However, wasn't it stated that she was quick to get back to her warrior duties, and that Ferncloud was the one who nursed them?
Why doesn't she get any credit for their up-bringing?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 18:07:21 GMT -5
These books CONSTANTLY talk about how Squirrelflight raised Leafpool's kits, and I guess that's true, I mean, they did believe she was their mother. However, wasn't it stated that she was quick to get back to her warrior duties, and that Ferncloud was the one who nursed them? Why doesn't she get any credit for their up-bringing? Maybe because it was like everyone thought since they were so amazing they got it from Squirrelflight
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 18:41:14 GMT -5
These books CONSTANTLY talk about how Squirrelflight raised Leafpool's kits, and I guess that's true, I mean, they did believe she was their mother. However, wasn't it stated that she was quick to get back to her warrior duties, and that Ferncloud was the one who nursed them? Why doesn't she get any credit for their up-bringing? Maybe because it was like everyone thought since they were so amazing they got it from Squirrelflight Maybe But it just doesn't seem fair that Ferncloud is barely even acknowledged, when they'd probably be raised in another clan or something if not for her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 20:17:24 GMT -5
Maybe because it was like everyone thought since they were so amazing they got it from Squirrelflight Maybe But it just doesn't seem fair that Ferncloud is barely even acknowledged, when they'd probably be raised in another clan or something if not for her. Yes, but it was trying to be all over Squirrelflight since Bramblestar was leader and giving her all the credit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 20:21:00 GMT -5
Maybe But it just doesn't seem fair that Ferncloud is barely even acknowledged, when they'd probably be raised in another clan or something if not for her. Yes, but it was trying to be all over Squirrelflight since Bramblestar was leader and giving her all the credit. They thought of her as their mother long before Bramblestar became leader.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 20:59:31 GMT -5
Yes, but it was trying to be all over Squirrelflight since Bramblestar was leader and giving her all the credit. They thought of her as their mother long before Bramblestar became leader. Yea, but later on they still gave Squirrelflight all the credit
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 21:03:25 GMT -5
They thought of her as their mother long before Bramblestar became leader. Yea, but later on they still gave Squirrelflight all the credit Yeah, but I highly doubt it had anything to do with Bramblestar
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Post by morningflower on Dec 11, 2019 2:39:45 GMT -5
I think because Ferncloud has a hand in raising most kits in ThunderClan after she becomes a queen, cats don't think o that role as being 'surrogate mother' and instead think of her as being the equivalent of a nursery maid or nanny. Still beloved, but a different kind of bond.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Dec 11, 2019 3:37:36 GMT -5
Reading through The Sight, I always got the impression, at least from Jaykit and Lionkit's POVs, that Squirrelflight was a distant mother and Ferncloud really did most of the work. However, Ferncloud also has her own kits at the time, so maybe that distracted the rest of the Clan from realizing it.
There's also the fact that the three are basically ThunderClan princes and a princess, being the children of the deputy and the grandchildren of the leader. So no matter how distant Squirrelflight was, the Clan would still consider them her kits, even if they judged her for dumping them on another cat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 16:50:16 GMT -5
I always thought it was because Ferncloud had raised kits before that and they weren’t the best kits in the world so they thought it came from Swuirrelflight
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Post by Moon on Jan 5, 2020 0:42:55 GMT -5
They mentioned once before that Daisy and Ferncloud felt equal to Squirrelflight, didn't they?
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Post by morningflower on Jan 5, 2020 4:15:37 GMT -5
They mentioned once before that Daisy and Ferncloud felt equal to Squirrelflight, didn't they? They mention it in the Sight briefly when placing the first hint about Squirrelflight not being able to produce milk, but nothing after that. Edit: I also believe in The Sight Ferncloud mothers them a little after the fox attack but I'm not entirely sure.
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Post by morningflower on Jan 5, 2020 4:25:48 GMT -5
Additionally, to defend the writing, Squirrelflight seemed to fully embrace her mum duties after the kits became apprentices, so it makes sense that they wouldn't really dwell on it afterwards. Wondering whether or not your mother really wanted you/wanted to take care of you (which we have to remember Squirrelflight didn't initially) is a pretty hard thing to come to terms with and for someone who was as fun and caring in other aspects of their lives like Squirrelflight is I'm sure a part of them just wanted to focus on the positives of their relationship and not think about how another cat essentially raised them.
Additionally, we're told Brambleclaw had a very active role in his kits' lives when they were kits, so it never sounded like they were neglected from their close or extended family.
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