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Post by halogen on Nov 16, 2019 22:54:01 GMT -5
I mean, from an in-story perspective I'm disappointed to see what Onestar became, but in terms of realism and storyline I think it was a great decision to make Onestar that way, it's a lot more honest than every leader who seemed nice before being leader, but who we don't really know that well, to not only turn out just as nice as they seem but be a natural fit for having power. Real leaders turn out horrible despite being nice or apparently nice people before having the role of power all the time, especially in situations like Onestar where they didn't want power and the circumstances in which they get power puts them under pressure. Again, we never really knew Onestar that well in the first series, just like you don't really know people who end up in political office before they take it, even if you have a good impression of them (it's not like Firestar turning out a horrible leader after following his persepective the whole series). So he's a horrible cat, yes, but not an unrealistic one, and it was a perfectly good narrative decision to make him that way.
The problem with any discussion of Onestar is that when people are talking about how they hate him, it's really hard to tell whether they are saying they hate him for how he acts morally (which is how basically everyone, including me, thinks of him), or if they are also saying it was unrealistic/a bad narrative decision/character derailment for him to be that way and he's a poorly written character, which I definitely disagree with.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 16, 2019 23:14:40 GMT -5
As someone who's been researching mental illnesses for years and has taken a psychology course recently, Onestar most definitely is not a psychopath. And this is just a pet peeve of mine in general (I myself have mental issues), but please do research before assigning a mental disorder onto a character.
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Onestar
Nov 16, 2019 23:41:57 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 23:41:57 GMT -5
As someone who's been researching mental illnesses for years and has taken a psychology course recently, Onestar most definitely is not a psychopath. And this is just a pet peeve of mine in general (I myself have mental issues), but please do research before assigning a mental disorder onto a character. I'm sorry if this offended you, maybe you're right, maybe he's not exactly a psychopath, but I don't know of any other way to describe the heinous things he's done.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 17, 2019 12:25:18 GMT -5
As someone who's been researching mental illnesses for years and has taken a psychology course recently, Onestar most definitely is not a psychopath. And this is just a pet peeve of mine in general (I myself have mental issues), but please do research before assigning a mental disorder onto a character. I'm sorry if this offended you, maybe you're right, maybe he's not exactly a psychopath, but I don't know of any other way to describe the heinous things he's done. Cruel? Cowardly? Self-serving? Just calling any bad person a psychopath is, not to put too fine a point on it, insanely reductive. No, not very bad person is a psychopath and not every psychopath is a bad person.
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Onestar
Nov 17, 2019 12:29:54 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 12:29:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this offended you, maybe you're right, maybe he's not exactly a psychopath, but I don't know of any other way to describe the heinous things he's done. Cruel? Cowardly? Self-serving? Just calling any bad person a psychopath is, not to put too fine a point on it, insanely reductive. No, not very bad person is a psychopath and not every psychopath is a bad person. Those are good adjectives, thanks I'll change it
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Post by Card against Humanity on Nov 17, 2019 13:56:42 GMT -5
can we please end the myth that bad person = psychpath lmao. i 100% agree with mothflight on this as someone who has a passing/moderate knowledge of psychology. and even if you're going to try and diagnose warriors characters with mental illnesses, the only one you could argue is a psychopath is sol ig. psychopaths are very specific types of people. they don't/can't feel empathy for others and therefore tend to act in very selfish, impulsive ways. onestar can clearly feel empathy for others, he's just paranoid and has a huge ego (not trying to attack you btw, this is just a huge pet peeve of mine)
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Onestar
Nov 17, 2019 14:09:27 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 14:09:27 GMT -5
can we please end the myth that bad person = psychpath lmao. i 100% agree with mothflight on this as someone who has a passing/moderate knowledge of psychology. and even if you're going to try and diagnose warriors characters with mental illnesses, the only one you could argue is a psychopath is sol ig. psychopaths are very specific types of people. they don't/can't feel empathy for others and therefore tend to act in very selfish, impulsive ways. onestar can clearly feel empathy for others, he's just paranoid and has a huge ego (not trying to attack you btw, this is just a huge pet peeve of mine) It does feel like an attack, especially since I already apologized and changed it.
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Onestar
Nov 17, 2019 14:12:37 GMT -5
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Post by Card against Humanity on Nov 17, 2019 14:12:37 GMT -5
can we please end the myth that bad person = psychpath lmao. i 100% agree with mothflight on this as someone who has a passing/moderate knowledge of psychology. and even if you're going to try and diagnose warriors characters with mental illnesses, the only one you could argue is a psychopath is sol ig. psychopaths are very specific types of people. they don't/can't feel empathy for others and therefore tend to act in very selfish, impulsive ways. onestar can clearly feel empathy for others, he's just paranoid and has a huge ego (not trying to attack you btw, this is just a huge pet peeve of mine) It does feel like an attack, especially since I already apologized and changed it. yeah sorry I should have worded it less strongly. it’s good that you changed it
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Onestar
Nov 17, 2019 14:16:55 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 14:16:55 GMT -5
It does feel like an attack, especially since I already apologized and changed it. yeah sorry I should have worded it less strongly. it’s good that you changed it It's okay
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 11:37:49 GMT -5
I hope he and Firestar are friends again in StarClan Me too
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Onestar
Nov 18, 2019 19:20:21 GMT -5
Post by Card against Humanity on Nov 18, 2019 19:20:21 GMT -5
I hope he and Firestar are friends again in StarClan they probably will be but a part of me kind of wants onestar to still have a huge grudge over him just bc of how funny that would be
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Onestar
Nov 18, 2019 19:32:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:32:46 GMT -5
I hope he and Firestar are friends again in StarClan they probably will be but a part of me kind of wants onestar to still have a huge grudge over him just bc of how funny that would be I don't understand why he would have a grudge against Firestar, Firestar never did anything wrong to him, he only ever tried to help him. Though, it would be funny if that happened, and Tallstar and Firestar teamed up against Onestar, much to his indignation.
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Onestar
Nov 18, 2019 20:50:02 GMT -5
Post by Card against Humanity on Nov 18, 2019 20:50:02 GMT -5
they probably will be but a part of me kind of wants onestar to still have a huge grudge over him just bc of how funny that would be I don't understand why he would have a grudge against Firestar, Firestar never did anything wrong to him, he only ever tried to help him. Though, it would be funny if that happened, and Tallstar and Firestar teamed up against Onestar, much to his indignation. didn't stop him from treating him like an ex he was trying way too hard to ghost while they were alive did Mudclaw go to starclan? I honestly don't remember. if he did I hope he teams up with them against onestar
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Onestar
Nov 18, 2019 21:07:47 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 21:07:47 GMT -5
I don't understand why he would have a grudge against Firestar, Firestar never did anything wrong to him, he only ever tried to help him. Though, it would be funny if that happened, and Tallstar and Firestar teamed up against Onestar, much to his indignation. didn't stop him from treating him like an ex he was trying way too hard to ghost while they were alive did Mudclaw go to starclan? I honestly don't remember. if he did I hope he teams up with them against onestar Haha that is sooo true! Yes he did, there was even a scene of him helping prepare StarClan for the battle against The Dark Forest. Yeah, that, or him sitting in the background with Tornear and Webfoot, and them all talking about how they're all being feather-brains XD
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