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Post by hazelstar on Sept 28, 2019 13:02:23 GMT -5
It has been years since I last read DOTC. It has been a long time. I remember reading this series feelings lots of emotions and have some vivid memories while reading it. One of the most interesting characters to me was. . . Tom.
Because it has been years, I was much younger when I read Thunder Rising, but I remember vividly reading the first few chapters of that book, and while reading it. . . I remember thinking: Did Tom r*** Turtle Tail? Because, honestly, that's what it read as to me. Did anyone else have similar thoughts? What do you think really happen? Was my younger self correct? I am still confused to this day what really happened.
Another thing, And this is the interesting part to me(It has been a long time since I read this, so I can't remember if it was Tom or One Eye, or possibly another character, but I THINK it was Tom), was that Tom died for one of his kit. My memory is fuzzy, so if I am wrong, feel free to correct me. But, as it stands, what I DO remember was reading it going: "Aw...." Yeah, he was terrible, but it showed that he was capable of caring for his kits(or maybe he was just overly possessive of them and died as a result. . . but I like to think that he cared for them....)
Discuss and share your opinions!
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Sept 28, 2019 14:43:03 GMT -5
I think it’s more so that he was controlling, and wanted absolute power over Turtle Tail. He did join the wild cats eventually, and died protecting his kit, Sparrow Fur. It’s been stated that he had a sense of ownership rather than affection for his children, but that meant anyone else hurting them was unacceptable. It’s also stated that he tried to take his children back not because he wanted to abuse them, but because he wanted control over the situation. In the end, it has also been stated that he went to an afterlife for kittypets, Where he was learning to be kinder and sort out the issues that he had in life.
So I’d like to think that he wasn’t an evil character who forced Turtle Tail to fall in love with him, but rather, a character that had a lot of issues but didn’t or couldn’t get them resolved before others get hurt over them. So even though he was a control freak, he would still defend his family for his own reasons.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Sept 28, 2019 14:47:44 GMT -5
i seriously doubt the erins would put something as heavy/serious a topic as r*pe in their books, and even if they did, harper collins would definitely have censored it out. i think tom was just supposed to be a terrible and abusive cat
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Post by hazelstar on Sept 28, 2019 14:49:34 GMT -5
i seriously doubt the erins would put something as heavy/serious a topic as r*pe in their books, and even if they did, harper collins would definitely have censored it out. i think tom was just supposed to be a terrible and abusive cat I mean, with all the other stuff they have done in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to subtly imply it XD Spottedleaf's Heart
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Post by Card against Humanity on Sept 28, 2019 14:52:57 GMT -5
i seriously doubt the erins would put something as heavy/serious a topic as r*pe in their books, and even if they did, harper collins would definitely have censored it out. i think tom was just supposed to be a terrible and abusive cat I mean, with all the other stuff they have done in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to subtly imply it XD Spottedleaf's Heartspottedleaf's heart was just them being stupid and not thinking through what they were writing tbh. i think the erins assume that apprentice=18 year old or something because theres a TON of apprentice/warrior relationships in the books
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Post by hazelstar on Sept 28, 2019 14:59:36 GMT -5
I mean, with all the other stuff they have done in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to subtly imply it XD Spottedleaf's Heartspottedleaf's heart was just them being stupid and not thinking through what they were writing tbh. i think the erins assume that apprentice=18 year old or something because theres a TON of apprentice/warrior relationships in the books I don't think it was a stupid concept, what I thought was stupid was that they did nothing to say that what Thistleclaw did was wrong, nor did they try to convey what kids should do in a situation like that. But hey, that's just me
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Sept 28, 2019 15:29:20 GMT -5
Non-consensual sex would throw a story straight into the adult section without a second thought. As for older and younger relationships, I think it’s just hard to remember to compare the cat years to human years, and thus it’s hard to see the age gaps. It could also be like a real cats that don’t care about ages, but considering the amount of realism that is not in the books, I doubt it.
As for Spottedleaf’s Heart, it’s possible they wrote that without realizing how inappropriate the implications would be. It happens to authors sometimes, unfortunately ( Twilight and werewolf imprinting being a massive example). Sometimes fans notice and sometimes they don’t, and in the case of Warriors, it’s just so unlike the series that people noticed right away.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Sept 28, 2019 15:33:56 GMT -5
spottedleaf's heart was just them being stupid and not thinking through what they were writing tbh. i think the erins assume that apprentice=18 year old or something because theres a TON of apprentice/warrior relationships in the books I don't think it was a stupid concept, what I thought was stupid was that they did nothing to say that what Thistleclaw did was wrong, nor did they try to convey what kids should do in a situation like that. But hey, that's just me yeah i meant that it was stupid that they had it in the story without handling it properly
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Post by hazelstar on Sept 28, 2019 15:34:21 GMT -5
I don't think it was a stupid concept, what I thought was stupid was that they did nothing to say that what Thistleclaw did was wrong, nor did they try to convey what kids should do in a situation like that. But hey, that's just me yeah i meant that it was stupid that they had it in the story without handling it properly Ah gotcha
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Post by Brindlefern on Sept 28, 2019 20:36:15 GMT -5
Tom's just an abusive asshole and that's just it. I didn't think of it anymore than that in my first reading tbh, and frankly, such a topic that is "the R word" makes me too uncomfortable to even assume such a thing as bad as that as well. >.>
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 29, 2019 0:28:30 GMT -5
I think it’s more so that he was controlling, and wanted absolute power over Turtle Tail. He did join the wild cats eventually, and died protecting his kit, Sparrow Fur. It’s been stated that he had a sense of ownership rather than affection for his children, but that meant anyone else hurting them was unacceptable. It’s also stated that he tried to take his children back not because he wanted to abuse them, but because he wanted control over the situation. In the end, it has also been stated that he went to an afterlife for kittypets, Where he was learning to be kinder and sort out the issues that he had in life. So I’d like to think that he wasn’t an evil character who forced Turtle Tail to fall in love with him, but rather, a character that had a lot of issues but didn’t or couldn’t get them resolved before others get hurt over them. So even though he was a control freak, he would still defend his family for his own reasons. Pretty much this. Which is why I'm neutral on him personally. I don't really mind him that much as a character. And when it comes to Bumble, lets be real, everyone was jerkwads to Bumble, even the Clan cats, yikes.
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