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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 18, 2019 16:14:59 GMT -5
Sorry if this isn't the place for this, I'm new to this particular area of the site.
I've been imagining an idea for a Power of Three rewrite/AU/whateveritscalled where the characters are human and in medieval times, so a lot of their culture remains similar to how it is in the books. I want to explore much more of the supernatural elements of the arc, perhaps adding in my own.
Thing is, I'm sort of nervous to share it, because it seems human AUs are despised by a lot of people in the fandom, and it really seems like people just dismiss them out of hand.
What do you guys think of human AUs? Would you read them?
Another thing, since I'm new here... is it appropriate to put outlines/ideas for fanfictions in this board? If I did share my idea, it would be in the form of an outline or summary, not an actual chapter.
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Post by phantomstar57 on Sept 18, 2019 18:36:50 GMT -5
I come here to read and write Warrior cat fics. Your idea sounds cool, but might be better suited to a different forum, and even could be your own ale.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 18, 2019 21:55:19 GMT -5
Okay, thanks. What forum would you suggest? I thought this seemed the most suited place for it, but again, I don't know for sure, that's why I'm asking. My own "ale"? What do you mean by that? Sorry...
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 19, 2019 1:39:47 GMT -5
She meant "tale". So, as for interest check, I would certainly be interested in reading it! It sounds like a cool idea. I have no problem with Human AUs. As for where to put it, either here or Off-Topic Writing would probably work. It would just depend how close you were sticking to the ideas and names and personalities of the main PoT characters. If you think you're going to vary a lot, Off-Topic Writing might get a better reception. If you're specifically looking for the readers who will see and be familiar with the warrior series when you read your work, I'd put it here. There have been Human AUs posted here before with varying success. Usually a fic is as active as the writer wishes to put the work in for (and as possible as our population of readers can stretch. We are a small but hopefully friendly community.) A lot of us, to name Dingoleap and Shadowface and myself, have Human 'AUs' off our fics because we liked the plot and world building even though the fics have elements of the Warrior universe (And thus all three of us have ended up with human versions with fan fictions as the 'first draft'). When Phantom says it could be your own tale, she means you could eventually adapt the idea of a medieval fantasy with magical aspects into your own personal work if you wanted. Not everyone does that to their works. This community seems to have ended up doing that a lot by chance. Welcome to the forums and WFF in particular by the way! I'm Mintedstar. I'm like the welcome-fan-wagon. I read everything listed in the WFF sooner or later and like to encourage and give advise to writers. You've met Phantomstar. She's our local published author who is great with reviews for fine polishing and she's appointed herself Queen of Typos despite the fact I keep fighting her for it. You need any advise on books, she's my go-to. Shadowface is around here somewhere, but some real life stuff is in the way of her activity so she can't be around right now. She's author of Curse and very positive light in our life. We aspire to write and finish monster fics like her. Sapphire and Katanaheart might pop in if they see this. Sapphire writes Butterflies and Hurricanes, which seems to be the current popular updating AU out there - though we have several finish populars like Phantom's New Blood. Sapphire's awesome and very sweet, people tend to like her more for hardcore reading than my poor goldfish memory where I have to reread every 6 months or I retain none of the details. Katanaheart is our horror/spoof writer and the only one I know who is capable of making those genres go together. She's around and generally a person I suggest getting to know. I also mentioned Dingleap, who's our artist/writer/will break your heart with three words. Cool, but expect interesting hours because she's in Australia and misses 90% of our peak activity time. She tends to drop into topics screaming how good they are. There are various other wonderful people as well, but those are just the ones who you're likely to meet first. Whether ya post your AU here or in Off-Topic Writing I hope you enjoyed the visit!
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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 19, 2019 2:26:32 GMT -5
Thanks so much! I think it follows names and personalities and specific scenes pretty closely, but a lot of context is changed and I added a lot of magical features. Depending on how it turns out I'll decide where to post it based on what you said.
Also thanks for the introductions! It's all really useful to know!
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 19, 2019 3:47:52 GMT -5
Hmmmmm.... I would suggest it would be most appropriate here, instead of the Off-topic section. (A Human AU rides a weird border line, but I would make the argument that if it is solely warrior characters, with some aspect of their environment in tact. It would make the most sense to be placed here.)
After all we have had human characters before back on the old forums, and that was still in WFF.
Can you elaborate on the magical aspect? Are they still in a forest in a vague Clan like system?
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Human AUs?
Sept 19, 2019 3:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 19, 2019 3:52:06 GMT -5
As for my own interest, I tend to dislike most AUs of the canon characters... (I have never been a big fan of them, outside of the amusing spoof of course. Which is a dying breed as far as I know.)
But there are plots that can catch my eye and keep me entranced. A human AU is different from the norm, so there’s that as a possible lure for future readers.
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Sept 19, 2019 3:55:48 GMT -5
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 19, 2019 3:55:48 GMT -5
I’m sorry for the frequent posts! The human AUs that are “despised,” are mainly high school ones from what I know of... That, and you probably have heard this talk from Warriors General, since that’s the only place I could think of, that would discuss said topic. While here, it is likely the opposite. I’m trying to recall old stories from the forums, I know some AUs existed somewhere, in the older days. I just can’t remember what it was. So, Curse my foul memory. The point is, they did exist and I doubt you’ll receive such vitriol here for such an AU. Hopefully that has quelled any nerves. It’ll be fine!
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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 19, 2019 5:58:30 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on the magical aspect? Are they still in a forest in a vague Clan like system? Yes, they would still be in four Clans with the same names, around the lake, with similar, but larger territories. Camps would also be larger to justify having more people in the Clan as well. I have two distinct ideas about magic in my world. The first is concerning the tunnels and Rock. Basically there would be a curse that affects the Three plus Breeze and Heather. (details in the spoiler tag): My first idea was to use the tunnels a bit more and make Rock more of an evil force than a neutral one. Basically, the tunnels in my AU would be catacombs, burial grounds for the Ancient Ones, and anyone who went in without permission (so the three plus Breeze and Heather- still deciding if I want the kits included or not) would be cursed. The first time they went in, they would get a black scar on their left arm. The more time they spent in the catacombs, the more the darkness would spread on their skin, and if it reached their heart, their soul would become confined to the tunnels, like Fallen Leaves. When Hollyleaf comes back, her arm up to her shoulder is black and looks infected, but hasn't reached her heart yet. Also, since Jayfeather finds the Staff (the stick), he becomes more tied to the catacombs, so any time he spends in the past also causes his darkness to spread. Breaking the staff severs his connection, but then Rock is angry at him and comes after him often. My second idea deals with a more traditional sense of magic, like witches. Short version is, only Healers (medicine cats) have magic, and the children of Healers have particularly strong magic. Concept and some story details in the tag: Warriors have either no or very little magic, so they train to hunt and fight normally. Magic slowly builds up through generations, and very occasionally a child comes along who has enough magic to offer a significant advantage if they were to use it to fight. Clan Law (equivalent to the Medicine Cat code) was written which says these children must become Healers for the protection of their Clans and the other Clans. They also aren't allowed to have children of their own, because magic amplifies as it's passed down, and the children of Healers have particularly strong magic that can be a true danger if they can't control it.
Jay (Jaykit, but here the Clan members don't receive any suffix at all until their warrior/healer ceremony) displays some subtle signs of having magic at an early age, but no one except Leafpool notices. Jay has his heart set on becoming a warrior, and Leafpool hopes he can suppress his magic. Meanwhile, Holly starts poking around the medicine den, fascinated with the job and how important it is. She asks to become Leafpool's apprentice. Since Leafpool is young, and typically strong-magic children only come along once in a lifetime, Firestar says yes. Skipping a bit of time, basically Holly is having trouble awakening her magic, and thus can't perform certain training exercises; meanwhile Jay has become more obvious with his. They trade places. Skipping forward several years, the traumatic experience of finding out who her father is awakens her magic, which is much more powerful than both of her brothers'. She causes some natural disaster in the forest (I was initially thinking earthquake or fire, but now am leaning toward a storm of some kind). Jayfeather uses his magic to suppress Hollyleaf's for a short period of time so she can calm down. The rest of the story proceeds very similar to how it does in the books, with the added stress that Jayfeather and Lionblaze can't go into the tunnels to look for her because of the curse. Oh, and don't worry about the frequent posts. I really appreciate your help!
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Sept 19, 2019 9:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 19, 2019 9:18:49 GMT -5
You’re welcome! I do prefer the first over the latter. But the latter also could be implemented in a more human-like fashion... Hmmm
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Post by phantomstar57 on Sept 19, 2019 12:25:12 GMT -5
Okay, thanks. What forum would you suggest? I thought this seemed the most suited place for it, but again, I don't know for sure, that's why I'm asking. My own "ale"? What do you mean by that? Sorry... LOL sorry I am the typo queen. I meant your own tale. Not even as a fan fic but a book that is yours since the characters are your own as well as the story, and set in a Human universe. There are some fantasy and scifi forums out there but I am not sure what they are called. I hang around here as Warriors is the only fan fiction I've written since dabbling in Star Trek fic twenty years ago or more. I've been working on my own stuff otherwise.
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Post by phantomstar57 on Sept 19, 2019 12:29:55 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on the magical aspect? Are they still in a forest in a vague Clan like system? Yes, they would still be in four Clans with the same names, around the lake, with similar, but larger territories. Camps would also be larger to justify having more people in the Clan as well. I have two distinct ideas about magic in my world. The first is concerning the tunnels and Rock. Basically there would be a curse that affects the Three plus Breeze and Heather. (details in the spoiler tag): My first idea was to use the tunnels a bit more and make Rock more of an evil force than a neutral one. Basically, the tunnels in my AU would be catacombs, burial grounds for the Ancient Ones, and anyone who went in without permission (so the three plus Breeze and Heather- still deciding if I want the kits included or not) would be cursed. The first time they went in, they would get a black scar on their left arm. The more time they spent in the catacombs, the more the darkness would spread on their skin, and if it reached their heart, their soul would become confined to the tunnels, like Fallen Leaves. When Hollyleaf comes back, her arm up to her shoulder is black and looks infected, but hasn't reached her heart yet. Also, since Jayfeather finds the Staff (the stick), he becomes more tied to the catacombs, so any time he spends in the past also causes his darkness to spread. Breaking the staff severs his connection, but then Rock is angry at him and comes after him often. My second idea deals with a more traditional sense of magic, like witches. Short version is, only Healers (medicine cats) have magic, and the children of Healers have particularly strong magic. Concept and some story details in the tag: Warriors have either no or very little magic, so they train to hunt and fight normally. Magic slowly builds up through generations, and very occasionally a child comes along who has enough magic to offer a significant advantage if they were to use it to fight. Clan Law (equivalent to the Medicine Cat code) was written which says these children must become Healers for the protection of their Clans and the other Clans. They also aren't allowed to have children of their own, because magic amplifies as it's passed down, and the children of Healers have particularly strong magic that can be a true danger if they can't control it.
Jay (Jaykit, but here the Clan members don't receive any suffix at all until their warrior/healer ceremony) displays some subtle signs of having magic at an early age, but no one except Leafpool notices. Jay has his heart set on becoming a warrior, and Leafpool hopes he can suppress his magic. Meanwhile, Holly starts poking around the medicine den, fascinated with the job and how important it is. She asks to become Leafpool's apprentice. Since Leafpool is young, and typically strong-magic children only come along once in a lifetime, Firestar says yes. Skipping a bit of time, basically Holly is having trouble awakening her magic, and thus can't perform certain training exercises; meanwhile Jay has become more obvious with his. They trade places. Skipping forward several years, the traumatic experience of finding out who her father is awakens her magic, which is much more powerful than both of her brothers'. She causes some natural disaster in the forest (I was initially thinking earthquake or fire, but now am leaning toward a storm of some kind). Jayfeather uses his magic to suppress Hollyleaf's for a short period of time so she can calm down. The rest of the story proceeds very similar to how it does in the books, with the added stress that Jayfeather and Lionblaze can't go into the tunnels to look for her because of the curse. Oh, and don't worry about the frequent posts. I really appreciate your help! I actually prefer the 2nd. Seems n more involved. I do prefer nonhumna characters when I read fics and even books in general so i have that bias anyway. But either way you do it, I liked the latter. The first is almost too predictable.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 19, 2019 22:54:37 GMT -5
Oh wow, okay. Thanks a bunch for both of your feedback. I didn't mean them to be separate, one-or-the-other ideas, hopefully I can find a way to implement both.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 20, 2019 1:03:36 GMT -5
Oh wow, okay. Thanks a bunch for both of your feedback. I didn't mean them to be separate, one-or-the-other ideas, hopefully I can find a way to implement both. A combo of the two would certainly be interesting!
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Sept 20, 2019 1:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 20, 2019 1:04:03 GMT -5
Apologies for the confusion, I probably misread and assumed they were separate ideas.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 20, 2019 1:09:43 GMT -5
Ooooo! Both those ideas sound REALLY good. O.O
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Post by phantomstar57 on Sept 20, 2019 11:08:07 GMT -5
I thought they were separate tales too. Combined it sounds like it could be an epic fantasy story.
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Post by lanterndoqq on Jan 2, 2020 0:45:13 GMT -5
this sounds like such a great idea! i'd really like to see it
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