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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 12:46:44 GMT -5
And that book is Squirrelflight's Hope. There will be spoilers. Everyone felt completely out of character to me. Bramblestar was really awful and controlling against Squirrelflight. It seemed so OOC that he refused to let Sunrise get healed by Leafpool, and even went as far as going against the medicine cat code by ordering her not to heal Sunrise. That was disrespectful to Leafpool as a medicine cat, and to the medicine cat code itself. She is supposed to heal. That is her job. But he was against her healing a rogue, just because he was afraid of what Tigerstar would do.
If Firestar was still in control of his Clan, he would have allowed Leafpool to do her job. Bramblestar's behavior disgusted me. I was even almost convinced that he was possessed in this book, because he felt completely out of character, until my friend pointed out that he wasn't.
It felt too forced to me, how everyone was against the Sisters. No one wanted to help Sunrise; no one was even sympathetic towards her. I never went this far, but apparently Moonlight died because of the Clans somehow.
I also hated how StarClan themselves treated Leafpool and Squirrelflight. They are good cats, and no one there has the right to judge them. She broke your code, Moth Flight? Well that's too bad. No one's perfect, and it was years ago. Get over it.
I couldn't continue the book, and it brought back unneeded flashbacks from things that scared me a while back whenever Bramblestar and Squirrelflight argued. ThunderClan was extremely toxic, and I'm surprised that Squirrelflight still stayed with her Clan at this point.
Also, they ruined Hollyleaf. She forgave him so easily, and that disappointed me. I'm all for forgiveness and making peace, but with someone who tried to murder her? Uh, that seems a little strange to me.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Sept 10, 2019 14:42:43 GMT -5
The problem with this book is that there was so much that could have made more sense if it was explained more. For example, perhaps Bramblestar could have had problems with his possessor already, which explains his changes in behavior. But that’s never really explained. And they could also be explained of the unity of the Clans is fragile, after them having decades of disunity, and that it still could be broken at any time. That would’ve also made things make more sense.
Starclan’s judgment as well could’ve made more sense, if there were some context. For example, perhaps it was something that was always there, but since characters usually are not seen until well after they’re in Starclan, this is the first time it’s noted. Maybe it’s something put in place after the Great Battle, which would make sense considering what that was all about. However, we’re given no context, and that’s why it seems to come out of nowhere.
Hollyleaf not really being bothered by Ashfur anymore could’ve made sense if it was shown that cats forgive each other after they die. After all, they can’t really harm each other if they’re in the afterlife together, so there’s no point in hanging onto issues from when they were alive. but since it’s not explained previously that’s how it works, and the people are never seen letting go of their issues upon death, it comes off as jarring.
Unfortunately, all of this seems to be an issue with the books in general. There was a bunch of new lore created, but without any context, and without the context, the new lore makes no sense. One can always hope the lore is explained in future books, but given the track record of them, it’s unlikely.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 12, 2019 19:39:19 GMT -5
Right? Lots off ridiculous stuff.
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Post by 0icywhisker0 on Sept 14, 2019 20:21:59 GMT -5
Ya
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Post by sylveon on Sept 15, 2019 8:40:10 GMT -5
I had an extremely hard time reading this book, too. I didn't think I was going to be able to finish it but Leafpool's and Squirrelflight's moments kept me going. Everything just really felt awful and it made me realize how awful the Clans have become. They genuinely believed they had a right to that territory because they were CLAN cats and how dare ROGUES defy them. They have no honor or respect for any cat outside their own lives. And of course, Tigerstar is a truly terrible leader and a huge bully. Excluding the murdering, he's a lot like his grandfather tbh
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 9:04:12 GMT -5
I had an extremely hard time reading this book, too. I didn't think I was going to be able to finish it but Leafpool's and Squirrelflight's moments kept me going. Everything just really felt awful and it made me realize how awful the Clans have become. They genuinely believed they had a right to that territory because they were CLAN cats and how dare ROGUES defy them. They have no honor or respect for any cat outside their own lives. And of course, Tigerstar is a truly terrible leader and a huge bully. Excluding the murdering, he's a lot like his grandfather tbh That makes me really sad to hear about Tigerheartstar. I really really liked him, and I had such high hopes for him. Maybe he can still turn it around though...right?
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Sept 15, 2019 14:14:59 GMT -5
I think most of the clan cats were supposed to be the antagonists in Squirrelflight's Hope, but that's just a guess.
As much as it was annoying, Bramblestar worrying about what Tigerstar was because the clans should be more united, even though he was wrong.
I agree about StarClan. Its lore should have been established sooner. Or the judging should have been explained immediately after the Great Battle.
As for Hollyleaf forgiving Ashfur, it's been so long sing Long Shadows and Sunrise. I would be more surprised if she didn't forgive him by now. Yes, he tried to kill her, but that's in the past.
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