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Post by plaggy on Aug 31, 2019 0:26:16 GMT -5
I been reading the spoilers of Squirrelflight Hope and man Starclan literally are begining to look like villains.
The majority did not want for Leafpool and Squirrelflight to be with them. Even when they let Ashfur in who helped Hawkfrost in trying to kill Firestar (a cat who was also going to kill Leopardstar to become leader) and try to kill the prophecy cats. They still allow many of the Shadowclan apprentices even when they joined a murderous cat who goal was to destroy the clans.
Honestly anybody of those cats can now be the voice that Shadowpaw is hearing. Whats worse is that they were okay for the clans to drive out "The Sisters" when one of them was not on condition to travel long places.
This also brings the warrior code. They were mad a Squirrelflight for disobeying Bramblestar even when she was trying to prevent a pointless battle over a territory they werent going to use. Firestar also disobey his leader because he knew a fight was not gonna bring any good.
This confirms that the warrior code has so many restrictions and tha clans (especially Starclan) are so close minded that by the end of the current arc things better change. Because they really need to change.
Moving on they brought the topic that they dont know what happen to the DF cats or what or were do non clan cats go when they died. I hope we see that in the arc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 0:46:27 GMT -5
you probably wanna put a spoiler warning yo
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 31, 2019 3:30:12 GMT -5
you probably wanna put a spoiler warning yo This. Maybe the WC Gen forums should start using spoiler warnings again in general. Now that SqH has been gotten early it's become spoiler central in some parts. I think folks forgot spoilers must be tagged or something.
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 31, 2019 7:07:54 GMT -5
StarClan is the ABSOLUTE WORST. Worse than ShadowClan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 8:28:04 GMT -5
I think only Moth Wing, Bluestar, and Crookedstar (slightly) were the only ones being jerks in that scene. Yellowfang was surprisingly nice and un-hypocritical. Tallstar seemed nice, and he was right about having feelings for someone, but not acting on those feelings. Littlecloud surprised me, with how un-Littlecloudish he seemed. He wasn't wrong though, and in his defense, he wasn't even in StarClan when they were manipulating Squirrelflight and Leafpool over the whole kits thing.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 31, 2019 10:56:39 GMT -5
I think only Moth Wing, Bluestar, and Crookedstar (slightly) were the only ones being jerks in that scene. Yellowfang was surprisingly nice and un-hypocritical. Tallstar seemed nice, and he was right about having feelings for someone, but not acting on those feelings. Littlecloud surprised me, with how un-Littlecloudish he seemed. He wasn't wrong though, and in his defense, he wasn't even in StarClan when they were manipulating Squirrelflight and Leafpool over the whole kits thing. Bluestar is ridiculous to judge. 1. She's even living with her forbidden mate in Starclan. 2. She had forbidden kits, lied about their father, and then one died when she tried to move them somewhere else so she could become deputy. She's a giant hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 11:04:45 GMT -5
I think only Moth Wing, Bluestar, and Crookedstar (slightly) were the only ones being jerks in that scene. Yellowfang was surprisingly nice and un-hypocritical. Tallstar seemed nice, and he was right about having feelings for someone, but not acting on those feelings. Littlecloud surprised me, with how un-Littlecloudish he seemed. He wasn't wrong though, and in his defense, he wasn't even in StarClan when they were manipulating Squirrelflight and Leafpool over the whole kits thing. Bluestar is ridiculous to judge. 1. She's even living with her forbidden mate in Starclan. 2. She had forbidden kits, lied about their father, and then one died when she tried to move them somewhere else so she could become deputy. She's a giant hypocrite. True In order from most bad to least bad in that scene I think it went
1. Bluestar
2. Moth Flight, it's annoying that just because SHE gave her HER kits and it broke HER heart, then that means that other med-cats should never ever have kits.
3. Crookedstar
4. Littlecloud
5. Tallstar
6. Yellowfang
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 31, 2019 11:12:34 GMT -5
Bluestar is ridiculous to judge. 1. She's even living with her forbidden mate in Starclan. 2. She had forbidden kits, lied about their father, and then one died when she tried to move them somewhere else so she could become deputy. She's a giant hypocrite. True In order from most bad to least bad in that scene I think it went
1. Bluestar
2. Moth Flight, it's annoying that just because SHE gave her HER kits and it broke HER heart, then that means that other med-cats should never ever have kits.
3. Crookedstar
4. Littlecloud
5. Tallstar
6. Yellowfang Bluestar and Moth Flight were equally bad to me. Bluestar was worse to Squirrelflight and Moth Flight was worse to Leafpool. Moth Flight bristling because Leafpool broke HER rule seemed so egotistical. It also didn't speak of the sweet and understanding Moth Flight we knew? I'm glad that Yellowfang seemed to return back to her living self in personality, and I think Tallstar was super reasonable.
I can see why Crookedstar is very anti-forbidden relationships considering one killed his daughter and hurt his brother.
....Littlecloud just...idk. It's like he was shouting without knowing what he was talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 11:33:34 GMT -5
True In order from most bad to least bad in that scene I think it went
1. Bluestar
2. Moth Flight, it's annoying that just because SHE gave her HER kits and it broke HER heart, then that means that other med-cats should never ever have kits.
3. Crookedstar
4. Littlecloud
5. Tallstar
6. Yellowfang Bluestar and Moth Flight were equally bad to me. Bluestar was worse to Squirrelflight and Moth Flight was worse to Leafpool. Moth Flight bristling because Leafpool broke HER rule seemed so egotistical. It also didn't speak of the sweet and understanding Moth Flight we knew? I'm glad that Yellowfang seemed to return back to her living self in personality, and I think Tallstar was super reasonable.
I can see why Crookedstar is very anti-forbidden relationships considering one killed his daughter and hurt his brother.
....Littlecloud just...idk. It's like he was shouting without knowing what he was talking about. Littlecloud wasn't wrong though, however, it was strange seeing him so angry, he's usually very level headed and nice
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Post by finland on Aug 31, 2019 12:22:36 GMT -5
Who wrote this SE?
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Aug 31, 2019 12:32:39 GMT -5
Kate, since Cherith wrote CT.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 31, 2019 16:43:33 GMT -5
i wish it could be said that the increasingly villain-like starclan is something that'll be relevant to the plot later. but it's just that the editors have no idea how to write the previously benevolent ancestors anymore. literally nothing, nothing squirrelflight and leafpool have done has ever warranted the dark forest. i don't understand what's happening with the plot. in the earlier arcs breaking the warrior code used to be a serious offense, but unless it involved malicious harm of another warrior or kit, it wasn't likely to send you to cat hell. now apparently a forbidden relationship is treacherous enough that starclan had to set up a council to discuss it. But helping take a leader's life and trying to kill 3-4 cats isn't so bad that an apology is enough to make up for it.
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Post by Mayflower on Sept 1, 2019 0:09:52 GMT -5
i wish it could be said that the increasingly villain-like starclan is something that'll be relevant to the plot later. but it's just that the editors have no idea how to write the previously benevolent ancestors anymore. literally nothing, nothing squirrelflight and leafpool have done has ever warranted the dark forest. i don't understand what's happening with the plot. in the earlier arcs breaking the warrior code used to be a serious offense, but unless it involved malicious harm of another warrior or kit, it wasn't likely to send you to cat hell. now apparently a forbidden relationship is treacherous enough that starclan had to set up a council to discuss it. Not to mention that Squirrelflight and Leafpool's transgressions happened forever ago. I mean, this might be just me thinking this next part, but I'd be far more understanding if -- by some weird happenstance -- this was a whole new pair of sisters who did something similar to Squirrelflight and Leafpool recently. I can get StarClan saying, "Okay, seriously, screw this. It's in the warrior code, and has been for decades now. Y'all know that at this point and you don't care. You broke our code and this is the consequences of that." But it's been years since Leafpool gave birth to Holly & Co. and gave them to Squirrelflight. Why is StarClan judging them so harshly, when they're the ones who have said explicitly that it was meant to be and needed to happen so that the Three would save the Clans? It's so stupid lol
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 1, 2019 0:12:58 GMT -5
I don't think age and time changes the fact that a crime was committed though. I mean if you broke the law, got away with it for years, and then got found out, you can still be charged and sentenced. On another note, I think they chose the worse cats for the judgement...lol.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 1, 2019 8:24:47 GMT -5
StarClan told them to do lie.
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Post by Mayflower on Sept 1, 2019 10:25:20 GMT -5
I don't think age and time changes the fact that a crime was committed though. I mean if you broke the law, got away with it for years, and then got found out, you can still be charged and sentenced. On another note, I think they chose the worse cats for the judgement...lol. I mean, I do get that -- but StarClan themselves are the ones who pressured them (specifically Squirrelflight) to lie about the kits. It's not like someone murders a person because they think a divine figure told them to, with no proof that it wasn't imagined or they're saying that as a cop-out to get a more lenient sentence. In this case, StarClan is very real and pretty much forced Squirrelflight's hand to take the kits with how thick they (well, Yellowfang and Feathertail) laid on the guilt-tripping for her to lie for Leafpool. In Leafpool's case, sure, Spottedleaf was vague about following her heart, so it can be argued that she "misinterpreted" it to say that she was meant to leave with Crowfeather rather than stay loyal to the Clan. But Squirrelflight's case was not like that at all. There was no misinterpretation or vaguing. She never wanted to lie to their friends and loved ones, and was pressured heavily into it. It's just confusing how StarClan are judging her so harshly for doing exactly as they said, I guess? And this is coming from someone who isn't the biggest fan of either sister lol I find it so odd that this has been done and said on StarClan's orders, but now they're being given shit for it, and the punishment would be the Dark Forest.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 1, 2019 10:29:55 GMT -5
I don't think age and time changes the fact that a crime was committed though. I mean if you broke the law, got away with it for years, and then got found out, you can still be charged and sentenced. On another note, I think they chose the worse cats for the judgement...lol. I mean, I do get that -- but StarClan themselves are the ones who pressured them (specifically Squirrelflight) to lie about the kits. It's not like someone murders a person because they think a divine figure told them to, with no proof that it wasn't imagined or they're saying that as a cop-out to get a more lenient sentence. In this case, StarClan is very real and pretty much forced Squirrelflight's hand to take the kits with how thick they (well, Yellowfang and Feathertail) laid on the guilt-tripping for her to lie for Leafpool. In Leafpool's case, sure, Spottedleaf was vague about following her heart, so it can be argued that she "misinterpreted" it to say that she was meant to leave with Crowfeather rather than stay loyal to the Clan. But Squirrelflight's case was not like that at all. There was no misinterpretation or vaguing. She never wanted to lie to their friends and loved ones, and was pressured heavily into it. It's just confusing how StarClan are judging her so harshly for doing exactly as they said, I guess? And this is coming from someone who isn't the biggest fan of either sister lol I find it so odd that this has been done and said on StarClan's orders, but now they're being given shit for it, and the punishment would be the Dark Forest. I would argue that StarClan was the reason most of the ordeal even went down (probably so the three would be born) Which means Moth Flight is also full of it saying that any kits could have been part of the prophecy.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 1, 2019 10:34:17 GMT -5
I don't like Leafpool but she was done so dirty in this scene.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 1, 2019 12:09:42 GMT -5
Let's not forget that it was Bluestar's fault the lie was kept up for so long.
What a monstrous hypocrite to get on Squirrelflight for being deceitful when Bluestar herself was such a huge liar.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 1, 2019 12:33:13 GMT -5
Let's not forget that it was Bluestar's fault the lie was kept up for so long. What a monstrous hypocrite to get on Squirrelflight for being deceitful when Bluestar herself was such a huge liar. StarClan-Bluestar makes me so mad....she was such a good well-written character and now she's this mess...same goes for Yellowfang
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 12:37:50 GMT -5
I'm curious as to why they picked who they did.
Moth Flight - Understandable, she made the code that Leafpool broke, which is what they seemed to be focused on.
Bluestar - she was front and center from the beginning, and ThunderClan, so understandable
Yellowfang - same as Bluestar, plus she had a paw in the whole scheme of things
Crookedstar - His daughter died as a result of being in a half-clan relationship, or maybe he was just the token RiverClan cat.
Littlecloud - Token ShadowClan cat
Tallstar - This guy is the king of not thinking things through. Like, "Oh, we need someone not like me to be deputy of WindClan." About a year later.. "Oh wait, I need someone who is nice like me to be the new leader of WindClan, sorry Mudclaw, you are the weakest link...goodbye." I love Tallstar, but damn, he shouldn't have picked Mudclaw in the first place, and he surely shouldn't have picked Onewhisker. Anyway, he was surprisingly one of the most sensible ones that judged them. I guess he was the token WindClan cat?
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Post by Mayflower on Sept 1, 2019 12:44:54 GMT -5
I mean, I do get that -- but StarClan themselves are the ones who pressured them (specifically Squirrelflight) to lie about the kits. It's not like someone murders a person because they think a divine figure told them to, with no proof that it wasn't imagined or they're saying that as a cop-out to get a more lenient sentence. In this case, StarClan is very real and pretty much forced Squirrelflight's hand to take the kits with how thick they (well, Yellowfang and Feathertail) laid on the guilt-tripping for her to lie for Leafpool. In Leafpool's case, sure, Spottedleaf was vague about following her heart, so it can be argued that she "misinterpreted" it to say that she was meant to leave with Crowfeather rather than stay loyal to the Clan. But Squirrelflight's case was not like that at all. There was no misinterpretation or vaguing. She never wanted to lie to their friends and loved ones, and was pressured heavily into it. It's just confusing how StarClan are judging her so harshly for doing exactly as they said, I guess? And this is coming from someone who isn't the biggest fan of either sister lol I find it so odd that this has been done and said on StarClan's orders, but now they're being given shit for it, and the punishment would be the Dark Forest. I would argue that StarClan was the reason most of the ordeal even went down (probably so the three would be born) Which means Moth Flight is also full of it saying that any kits could have been part of the prophecy. Let's not forget that it was Bluestar's fault the lie was kept up for so long. What a monstrous hypocrite to get on Squirrelflight for being deceitful when Bluestar herself was such a huge liar. Exactly. In fact, if I remember correctly, Yellowfang insists that Squirrelflight taking the kits has to happen...so StarClan definitely the reason behind it. Yellowfang and Feathertail basically kept saying there was no other way, then Yellowfang threw out that whole, "Oh, and you won't ever have your own kits anyway, so you may as well do this, because you'll never be a biological mother to kits." And as we all know, that was a lie. Then later, you've got Bluestar who insisted the lie continue (...and Yellowfang being pissed in that scene, despite her having a huge hand in it happening). So between Yellowfang, Spottedleaf, Bluestar, and Feathertail, there was practically no way this wouldn't happen. If Squirrelflight had refused, she most likely would've been guilted even more when things fell apart. What did StarClan expect her to friggen do? Yet she was faced with going to the Dark Forest for it. It's just...gggaaahhhh!
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Post by Mayflower on Sept 1, 2019 12:59:08 GMT -5
I'm curious as to why they picked who they did.
Moth Flight - Understandable, she made the code that Leafpool broke, which is what they seemed to be focused on.
Bluestar - she was front and center from the beginning, and ThunderClan, so understandable
Yellowfang - same as Bluestar, plus she had a paw in the whole scheme of things
Crookedstar - His daughter died as a result of being in a half-clan relationship, or maybe he was just the token RiverClan cat.
Littlecloud - Token ShadowClan cat
Tallstar - This guy is the king of not thinking things through. Like, "Oh, we need someone not like me to be deputy of WindClan." About a year later.. "Oh wait, I need someone who is nice like me to be the new leader of WindClan, sorry Mudclaw, you are the weakest link...goodbye." I love Tallstar, but damn, he shouldn't have picked Mudclaw in the first place, and he surely shouldn't have picked Onewhisker. Anyway, he was surprisingly one of the most sensible ones that judged them. I guess he was the token WindClan cat?
The token cat thing is what makes sense to me, too lol If I'm really going out on a limb, Crookedstar has the best RiverClan cat to be involved. He could have plenty of reason for being there, since like you said, I can imagine he isn't a fan of cross-Clan relationships. Don't forget that he was haunted by Mapleshade for so long because of a cross-Clan relationship, too, between her and Appledusk. That caused him to lose so many loved ones, so out of everyone in RiverClan, he's had nothing but bad experiences and outcomes with forbidden relationships. Even the brief good that came from it, like Silverstream having kits, didn't end well. Feathertail died for Crowfeather -- and also the rest of the journeying cats, but specifically to save him, because she loved him -- and then Stormfur remained in the mountains with Brook. With Tallstar and Littlecloud...I feel Deadfoot and/or Ashfoot could have worked in Tallstar's place. Crowfeather is their son, after all, and he was involved with Leafpool, who is also the mother of three of their grandkids. Both or one of them "judging" her and Squirrelflight might make more sense than Tallstar, who had no connection to them at all. With ShadowClan, I can't think of any cats from there that have connections to either sister aside from Littlecloud's friendship with Leafpool, and how she trained Puddleshine for ShadowClan in his place. I reckon he's the only ShadowClanner that the Erins could've reasonably chosen, even if that reason is very weak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:04:24 GMT -5
I'm curious as to why they picked who they did.
Moth Flight - Understandable, she made the code that Leafpool broke, which is what they seemed to be focused on.
Bluestar - she was front and center from the beginning, and ThunderClan, so understandable
Yellowfang - same as Bluestar, plus she had a paw in the whole scheme of things
Crookedstar - His daughter died as a result of being in a half-clan relationship, or maybe he was just the token RiverClan cat.
Littlecloud - Token ShadowClan cat
Tallstar - This guy is the king of not thinking things through. Like, "Oh, we need someone not like me to be deputy of WindClan." About a year later.. "Oh wait, I need someone who is nice like me to be the new leader of WindClan, sorry Mudclaw, you are the weakest link...goodbye." I love Tallstar, but damn, he shouldn't have picked Mudclaw in the first place, and he surely shouldn't have picked Onewhisker. Anyway, he was surprisingly one of the most sensible ones that judged them. I guess he was the token WindClan cat?
The token cat thing is what makes sense to me, too lol If I'm really going out on a limb, Crookedstar has the best RiverClan cat to be involved. He could have plenty of reason for being there, since like you said, I can imagine he isn't a fan of cross-Clan relationships. Don't forget that he was haunted by Mapleshade for so long because of a cross-Clan relationship, too, between her and Appledusk. That caused him to lose so many loved ones, so out of everyone in RiverClan, he's had nothing but bad experiences and outcomes with forbidden relationships. Even the brief good that came from it, like Silverstream having kits, didn't end well. Feathertail died for Crowfeather -- and also the rest of the journeying cats, but specifically to save him, because she loved him -- and then Stormfur remained in the mountains with Brook. With Tallstar and Littlecloud...I feel Deadfoot and/or Ashfoot could have worked in Tallstar's place. Crowfeather is their son, after all, and he was involved with Leafpool, who is also the mother of three of their grandkids. Both or one of them "judging" her and Squirrelflight might make more sense than Tallstar, who had no connection to them at all. With ShadowClan, I can't think of any cats from there that have connections to either sister aside from Littlecloud's friendship with Leafpool, and how she trained Puddleshine for ShadowClan in his place. I reckon he's the only ShadowClanner that the Erins could've reasonably chosen, even if that reason is very weak. I completely agree about one of them should have been one of Crowfeather's parents judging them, that would have been interesting to see. Maybe Ashfoot, since she was alive when all this was going down.
I hope that one of Stormfur's kits has a forbidden relationship with a ShadowClan cat, and keeps the forbidden mate legacy going lol
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 1, 2019 16:27:37 GMT -5
The token cat thing is what makes sense to me, too lol If I'm really going out on a limb, Crookedstar has the best RiverClan cat to be involved. He could have plenty of reason for being there, since like you said, I can imagine he isn't a fan of cross-Clan relationships. Don't forget that he was haunted by Mapleshade for so long because of a cross-Clan relationship, too, between her and Appledusk. That caused him to lose so many loved ones, so out of everyone in RiverClan, he's had nothing but bad experiences and outcomes with forbidden relationships. Even the brief good that came from it, like Silverstream having kits, didn't end well. Feathertail died for Crowfeather -- and also the rest of the journeying cats, but specifically to save him, because she loved him -- and then Stormfur remained in the mountains with Brook. With Tallstar and Littlecloud...I feel Deadfoot and/or Ashfoot could have worked in Tallstar's place. Crowfeather is their son, after all, and he was involved with Leafpool, who is also the mother of three of their grandkids. Both or one of them "judging" her and Squirrelflight might make more sense than Tallstar, who had no connection to them at all. With ShadowClan, I can't think of any cats from there that have connections to either sister aside from Littlecloud's friendship with Leafpool, and how she trained Puddleshine for ShadowClan in his place. I reckon he's the only ShadowClanner that the Erins could've reasonably chosen, even if that reason is very weak. I completely agree about one of them should have been one of Crowfeather's parents judging them, that would have been interesting to see. Maybe Ashfoot, since she was alive when all this was going down.
I hope that one of Stormfur's kits has a forbidden relationship with a ShadowClan cat, and keeps the forbidden mate legacy going lol
But Stormfur lives with the tribe now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 16:30:36 GMT -5
I completely agree about one of them should have been one of Crowfeather's parents judging them, that would have been interesting to see. Maybe Ashfoot, since she was alive when all this was going down.
I hope that one of Stormfur's kits has a forbidden relationship with a ShadowClan cat, and keeps the forbidden mate legacy going lol
But Stormfur lives with the tribe now. True, maybe one of his kits can come to the clans and get with a ShadowClan cat, because their gene pool has already been in WindClan and ThunderClan, and I think they also have SkyClan. Then, their kit can have kits with someone from another group, and in the end, it will result in the ultimate uniter, a cat who contains all the blood
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 1, 2019 17:28:52 GMT -5
But Stormfur lives with the tribe now. True, maybe one of his kits can come to the clans and get with a ShadowClan cat, because their gene pool has already been in WindClan and ThunderClan, and I think they also have SkyClan. Then, their kit can have kits with someone from another group, and in the end, it will result in the ultimate uniter, a cat who contains all the blood That would be funny.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 1, 2019 17:59:20 GMT -5
I'm curious as to why they picked who they did.
Moth Flight - Understandable, she made the code that Leafpool broke, which is what they seemed to be focused on.
Bluestar - she was front and center from the beginning, and ThunderClan, so understandable
Yellowfang - same as Bluestar, plus she had a paw in the whole scheme of things
Crookedstar - His daughter died as a result of being in a half-clan relationship, or maybe he was just the token RiverClan cat.
Littlecloud - Token ShadowClan cat
Tallstar - This guy is the king of not thinking things through. Like, "Oh, we need someone not like me to be deputy of WindClan." About a year later.. "Oh wait, I need someone who is nice like me to be the new leader of WindClan, sorry Mudclaw, you are the weakest link...goodbye." I love Tallstar, but damn, he shouldn't have picked Mudclaw in the first place, and he surely shouldn't have picked Onewhisker. Anyway, he was surprisingly one of the most sensible ones that judged them. I guess he was the token WindClan cat?
The token cat thing is what makes sense to me, too lol If I'm really going out on a limb, Crookedstar has the best RiverClan cat to be involved. He could have plenty of reason for being there, since like you said, I can imagine he isn't a fan of cross-Clan relationships. Don't forget that he was haunted by Mapleshade for so long because of a cross-Clan relationship, too, between her and Appledusk. That caused him to lose so many loved ones, so out of everyone in RiverClan, he's had nothing but bad experiences and outcomes with forbidden relationships. Even the brief good that came from it, like Silverstream having kits, didn't end well. Feathertail died for Crowfeather -- and also the rest of the journeying cats, but specifically to save him, because she loved him -- and then Stormfur remained in the mountains with Brook. With Tallstar and Littlecloud...I feel Deadfoot and/or Ashfoot could have worked in Tallstar's place. Crowfeather is their son, after all, and he was involved with Leafpool, who is also the mother of three of their grandkids. Both or one of them "judging" her and Squirrelflight might make more sense than Tallstar, who had no connection to them at all. With ShadowClan, I can't think of any cats from there that have connections to either sister aside from Littlecloud's friendship with Leafpool, and how she trained Puddleshine for ShadowClan in his place. I reckon he's the only ShadowClanner that the Erins could've reasonably chosen, even if that reason is very weak. Ashfoot would have been interesting, but I don't think she would have been much stricter than Tallstar. Ashfoot has been shown to be extremely level headed and forgiven. Tallstar might have been chosen because of his affection for Firestar. He's also an expert in having feelings and not acting on them. He, at least, has a strong connection to that family. Feathertail would have been a REALLY interesting judge and I'm surprised she didn't appear? She was Crow's first love AND she was a friend of Squirrelflight's
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Post by Mayflower on Sept 1, 2019 19:19:38 GMT -5
The token cat thing is what makes sense to me, too lol If I'm really going out on a limb, Crookedstar has the best RiverClan cat to be involved. He could have plenty of reason for being there, since like you said, I can imagine he isn't a fan of cross-Clan relationships. Don't forget that he was haunted by Mapleshade for so long because of a cross-Clan relationship, too, between her and Appledusk. That caused him to lose so many loved ones, so out of everyone in RiverClan, he's had nothing but bad experiences and outcomes with forbidden relationships. Even the brief good that came from it, like Silverstream having kits, didn't end well. Feathertail died for Crowfeather -- and also the rest of the journeying cats, but specifically to save him, because she loved him -- and then Stormfur remained in the mountains with Brook. With Tallstar and Littlecloud...I feel Deadfoot and/or Ashfoot could have worked in Tallstar's place. Crowfeather is their son, after all, and he was involved with Leafpool, who is also the mother of three of their grandkids. Both or one of them "judging" her and Squirrelflight might make more sense than Tallstar, who had no connection to them at all. With ShadowClan, I can't think of any cats from there that have connections to either sister aside from Littlecloud's friendship with Leafpool, and how she trained Puddleshine for ShadowClan in his place. I reckon he's the only ShadowClanner that the Erins could've reasonably chosen, even if that reason is very weak. Ashfoot would have been interesting, but I don't think she would have been much stricter than Tallstar. Ashfoot has been shown to be extremely level headed and forgiven. Tallstar might have been chosen because of his affection for Firestar. He's also an expert in having feelings and not acting on them. He, at least, has a strong connection to that family. Feathertail would have been a REALLY interesting judge and I'm surprised she didn't appear? She was Crow's first love AND she was a friend of Squirrelflight's That's true, I like Tallstar, but really at this point, I want to see other WindClan cats haha so even though I mentioned Ashfoot as well, I would've preferred if Deadfoot was there. He hasn't been seen in ages! At least Ashfoot was heavily involved in Crowfeather's Trial. Deadfoot was one of my top five favorite WindClan cats and now he's basically nonexistent, while we've had plenty of Tallstar. Ohh! I didn't even think about Feathertail. Maybe she would've been too soft on them? She's such a sweet, caring cat (except that whole...guilting Squirrelflight thing) that perhaps she wasn't picked because she'd been lenient and biased, what with her relationship to both Squirrelflight and Leafpool? She was really good friends to both of them -- to Squirrelflight in life, and to Leafpool in death. Maybe StarClan took into account her last involvement with the sisters and the kit shenanigans, and decided against it ;p
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