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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 19:42:23 GMT -5
Well, we're starting to learn more about Path Of A Warrior, and I'll give my opinions about that and Lost Stars before I leave. But there's something about Redtail's debt that rubs me the wrong way. And that itch is Tigerclaw. I don't really like his character here. In the first arc, he seemed gruff and stern but charismatic enough to his Clanmates. His manipulation was pretty subtle, and even Fireheart found himself thinking that his suspicions of Tigerclaw were wrong at one point. But in Redtail's Debt, though, Tigerclaw's acting very much like "I'm evil! Muahahahaha!" Everyone into Warriors knows that Tigerclaw's a piece of work (and I like a villain who either knows he's evil and is well done or a villain convincing themselves that they're not the villain), but he just reminded me of a Saturday morning cartoon villain. That's just me thinking, though. What do you think?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Apr 2, 2019 19:44:26 GMT -5
I don't really care, tbh. Like I said in the spoiler thread, it was very obvious to me that he was evil even in ItW, so I'm honestly not that surprised that he isn't even trying to be subtle in RD.
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Post by halogen on Apr 2, 2019 20:06:41 GMT -5
I don't really care, tbh. Like I said in the spoiler thread, it was very obvious to me that he was evil even in ItW, so I'm honestly not that surprised that he isn't even trying to be subtle in RD. Yes, this was definitely a problem even in Into the Wild, but it's worse here and in Bluestar's Prophecy because the first series was from the perspective of an outsider who Tigerclaw was cruel to because of his prejudice against kitty pets, and he would have been cruel regardless of whether he was also a murderer or not, as well as someone who had no attachment to him and didn't know him his whole life. It's more of a problem when he comes out as the same or even worse to cats who do know him, and for whom it is a plot point that they trust him completely, admire him, and are shattered by his betrayal. What makes Tigerstar compelling, at least on paper, is that he is the model warrior to his Clan, strong and terrifying to enemy Clans but selfless and devoted to his own, intelligent, and extremely courageous. The kind of cat who you can admire until you realize he is actually your enemy, and then be terrified when you realize he was your enemy all along. That's what Tigerstar is supposed to be even if the writing isn't always good enough for him to live up to that and it often relies on telling rather than showing. And he needs to be that, because without that characteristic he's just any old boring cliche villain. How he's written ruins the emotional impact of his betrayal and ruins him as a character, and this is definitely something that should be criticized about the first series as well as Mothflight says, but due to the circumstances it is worse here.
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Post by Haze on Apr 2, 2019 20:12:49 GMT -5
Just use [*spoiler] your text [\spoiler*] without the *
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