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Post by Darkfang ☾ on Sept 8, 2018 6:16:05 GMT -5
What were your overall feelings on the book?
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 8, 2018 6:32:20 GMT -5
I loved it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 6:32:28 GMT -5
A mixed bag all around. I feel like people biases against certain characters like Breezepelt and Crowfeather himself, seriously effects their overall reading experience. Which isn't fault of the Super Edition itself, since it was forced to work with per established characters that are controversial.
As for myself, I'm not that invested into the whole debate, thinking the whole family is dysfunctional and as bad as each other (Before Breezepelt decided to go emo at least). Can come off as a unessarily mean-spirited or black/white but those moments are quite rare. Such as trying to downgrading or flat-out lying about Breezepelt's actions for the sake of making look somewhat redeemable. Though when it comes Nightcloud's and Crowfeather's redemption arcs, it does much more well, fully admitting their faults.
It's certainly the most interesting Super Edition, seeing those very non-traditional PoVs. It's similar to the other WindClan Super Edition of Tallstar's Revenge, having one of the most flawed protagonists in the series.
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Post by wildspirit on Sept 8, 2018 7:35:42 GMT -5
I really did not like this book. I'm so glad the threat isn't ghost cats, as that would have made no sense, but the threat in WindClan's territory turns out to still be completely pointless because no cat dies except one of Onestar's lives. It's not even threatening to them. Onestar is just such a mean leader in this book. Granted, he always was when he became leader, but this may be some of the worst leadership in the series I've ever read about. I wanted to scream when Onestar insulted Bramblestar's bloodline. He really had to go so far as to insult Bramblestar because of his father. Why? And then he's trying to force the stouts out onto ThunderClan's side? He's just such a frustrating character to read about.
Breezepelt's Redemption can hardly be called a redemption, as his actions are simplified in "WindClan vs ThunderClan" battles, lies, or just completely forgotten about. StarClan is also forcing Crowfeather to love his son along the way, when Breezepelt really should not deserve it. Breezepelt should have never gotten redeemed and either just died or have been exiled. WindClan going as far as calling out Breezepelt for murdering his mother, when they should know he was the only cat they cared for was also dumb. Breezepelt would never kill Nightcloud. I guess it's alright he makes amends, but less cats should forgive him. I'm very happy Jayfeather did not forgive him, and he seemed like the only character who had sense in the book around Breezepelt's actions.
Parts I did like was when they went to find Nightcloud and also encountered Yew. That's probably the only part of the book i honestly enjoyed. Nightcloud becoming a kittypet for a while is a surprise. and Yew's a great character, with a confusing name. Those two things really just do not outweigh the main parts of this book for me though, and I honestly consider it one of the worst super editions. I'm not sure if it's worse than Yellowfang's Secret, but it's close.
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Post by Brindlefern on Sept 8, 2018 8:22:44 GMT -5
I'm just about done with the book and I can say I love it. I'm too lazy to make a new thread so I'll say it here, I personally really like the development between Crow, Breeze, and Night, especially in Crow's POV, because we can at least see from his own eyes that he does at least still really care for them both despite the strain, especially considered we've seen Nightcloud through negative glasses many times, it probably helped a lot better to have it seen through Crowfeather himself, especially at the time they broke up. And the SE at least made sure to show he acknowledged that he been a bad dad and tried being a decent father to Breezepelt, while Nightcloud disappeared and after they brought her back, and it gave him the character growth we desperately needed after seeing him so stagnant for so long. It gave Nightcloud and his relationship with her some much needed closure too; I loved that they're happy to just be friends, for Breezepelt's sake too, which is really sweet, and that's saying something when it comes to them. Also I liked that Crowfeather knew he no longer loved Leafpool like he did seasons ago anymore and he accepted that just fine, and made peace with his remaining kits. So that gave some end to that mess too. His POV is probably one of the more entertaining ones I've read. I love his snark and prickliness, which actually wasn't even that much of an annoyance to me or unenjoyable once the chapters started rolling, someone outta take a shot every-time he calls someone "bee/flea-brained" or some other cat-speak variation for calling someone an idiot (Don't tho unless you want alcohol poisoning). For real tho the "Don't say flea-brained, don't say flea-brained..." bit humored me a lot.
Also I'm probably really dumb or something because I don't see the narrative trying to force Breezepelt's redemption at all, at least not to the extent like many claim. I'm just not seeing it. Breezepelt F'd up and he's forced to suffer from it through the book and he tries to atone for his actions multiple times, even admitting what he did was wrong to Lionblaze's face, which was even noted as an effort for him to do. Heck in the Manga he's still on shaky terms with his clan so it's not like they all forgave him entirely either, since it's not like they can forget what he's done in the past, which seems realistic to me.
Idk, his redemption seems fine to me.
It's actually not too terrible aside from the obvious things, Onestar for instance being consistent in the form of a try-hard mega-idiot-jerkwad if not worse and I REALLY could not stand him in this book at all, he was disgusting and super unbearable to me and I wanted to throw him across the moor every time he opened his damn mouth, and the stoats potential being wasted, ugh. Oh and the clans being against Breezepelt so much, I understand why they'd be that way considering the shiz he did but great googly-moogly it was MV levels of ridiculous, like seriously? Thinking Breeze would kill his own damn mother who he loves? And thinking his grieving is guilt for it? Aight, that's too much alongside vocally wanting him dead. But at least compared to MV he had some of the clan cats on his side the whole time. Also there was more HeatherBreeze hints/moments than I was let on, honestly it makes sense that they would get together considering they have history, but I still wish in a way that we had some instance of how Breezepelt raised his two kits he has now, I was hoping to see how he'd be as a father. Oh well, Either way, their relationship is really cute in the book, I love how supportive she was of him and how he valued her as a close friend, and I loved seeing their build-up, which I always love with the couples in these books. It's actually pretty healthy from the looks of it, I think I can say I officially ship them as my favorite modern Windclan couple.
All and all, despite the hurdles (Which aren't too much compared to the pros for me), I really liked this book, it was imo a perfect way to truly end Crowfeather's arc, and he and his Windclan family can finally stop being dysfunctional after so long. His conversation with Nightcloud, apologizing to her for making her feel like crap while they were mates, and his resolution with Breezepelt, seeing that happen was so... SO satisfying. I don't even mind Crow as a deputy anymore after seeing what he's done to try and own up to his mistakes, and the SE made me like him in the end as well.
And lastly... Can we just take a moment to appreciate CROWFEATHER AND BREEZEPELT BONDING AND LAUGHING AND BEING AWKWARD; CROWFEATHER BRINGING UP HEATHERTAIL WITH BREEZE AND BREEZE GETTING ALL WEIRD ABOUT IT. THEY DID THE AWKWARD DAD/SON THING WITH RELATIONSHIPS. THEY DID THE THING. I fricking love that.
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Post by briarfrost on Sept 8, 2018 9:19:33 GMT -5
I'm just about done with the book and I can say I love it. I'm too lazy to make a new thread so I'll say it here, I personally really like the development between Crow, Breeze, and Night, especially in Crow's POV, because we can at least see from his own eyes that he does at least still really care for them both despite the strain, especially considered we've seen Nightcloud through negative glasses many times, it probably helped a lot better to have it seen through Crowfeather himself, especially at the time they broke up. And the SE at least made sure to show he acknowledged that he been a bad dad and tried being a decent father to Breezepelt, while Nightcloud disappeared and after they brought her back, and it gave him the character growth we desperately needed after seeing him so stagnant for so long. It gave Nightcloud and his relationship with her some much needed closure too; I loved that they're happy to just be friends, for Breezepelt's sake too, which is really sweet, and that's saying something when it comes to them. Also I liked that Crowfeather knew he no longer loved Leafpool like he did seasons ago anymore and he accepted that just fine, and made peace with his remaining kits. So that gave some end to that mess too. His POV is probably one of the more entertaining ones I've read. I love his snark and prickliness, which actually wasn't even that much of an annoyance to me or unenjoyable once the chapters started rolling, someone outta take a shot every-time he calls someone "bee/flea-brained" or some other cat-speak variation for calling someone an idiot (Don't tho unless you want alcohol poisoning). For real tho the "Don't say flea-brained, don't say flea-brained..." bit humored me a lot. Also I'm probably really dumb or something because I don't see the narrative trying to force Breezepelt's redemption at all, at least not to the extent like many claim. I'm just not seeing it. Breezepelt F'd up and he's forced to suffer from it through the book and he tries to atone for his actions multiple times, even admitting what he did was wrong to Lionblaze's face, which was even noted as an effort for him to do. Heck in the Manga he's still on shaky terms with his clan so it's not like they all forgave him entirely either, since it's not like they can forget what he's done in the past, which seems realistic to me. Idk, his redemption seems fine to me. It's actually not too terrible aside from the obvious things, Onestar for instance being consistent in the form of a try-hard mega-idiot-jerkwad if not worse and I REALLY could not stand him in this book at all, he was disgusting and super unbearable to me and I wanted to throw him across the moor every time he opened his damn mouth, and the stoats potential being wasted, ugh. Oh and the clans being against Breezepelt so much, I understand why they'd be that way considering the shiz he did but great googly-moogly it was MV levels of ridiculous, like seriously? Thinking Breeze would kill his own damn mother who he loves? And thinking his grieving is guilt for it? Aight, that's too much alongside vocally wanting him dead. But at least compared to MV he had some of the clan cats on his side the whole time. Also there was more HeatherBreeze hints/moments than I was let on, honestly it makes sense that they would get together considering they have history, but I still wish in a way that we had some instance of how Breezepelt raised his two kits he has now, I was hoping to see how he'd be as a father. Oh well, Either way, their relationship is really cute in the book, I love how supportive she was of him and how he valued her as a close friend, it's actually pretty healthy from the looks of it, I think I can say I officially ship them as my favorite modern Windclan couple. All and all, despite the hurdles (Which aren't too much compared to the pros for me), I really liked this book, it was imo a perfect way to truly end Crowfeather's arc, and he and his Windclan family can finally stop being dysfunctional after so long. His conversation with Nightcloud, apologizing to her for making her feel like crap while they were mates, and his resolution with Breezepelt, seeing that happen was so... SO satisfying. I don't even mind Crow as a deputy anymore after seeing what he's done to try and own up to his mistakes, and the SE made me like him in the end as well. And lastly... Can we just take a moment to appreciate CROWFEATHER AND BREEZEPELT BONDING AND LAUGHING AND BEING AWKWARD; CROWFEATHER BRINGING UP HEATHERTAIL WITH BREEZE AND BREEZE GETTING ALL WEIRD ABOUT IT. THEY DID THE AWKWARD DAD/SON THING WITH RELATIONSHIPS. THEY DID THE THING. I fricking love that. *aggressively thumbs-up* THIS. Crowfeather's Trial was a book I expected to be horrible, biased, and end in stagnancy. Instead, it's a well-written book about Crow's character growth and letting go of the past; challenging his opinions and flaws as a father to become better. It's also about Night and Breeze's character development too, giving the former a finally good look at (and it turns out she's a good cat!) and the latter a redemption he has to work for that still doesn't end with everyone forgiving him. The family bonds are on full display and are really heartwarming to see at full potential--Breeze-Night's son-mom being good and loving from the start, Crow-Night becoming good friends, Breeze-Heather's really cute couple cuteness, and oh yeah Crow-Breeze's clumsy but sweet development into a healthy and sweet father-son relationship. Not to mention the side-characters like Gorsetail, Featherpaw, Hootpaw, and Harespring bringing some life into the Clan. It's definitely one of my favorite SEs. Most of them I don't read more than once, but this one I can safely say I will, again and again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 10:49:02 GMT -5
I'm just about done with the book and I can say I love it. I'm too lazy to make a new thread so I'll say it here, I personally really like the development between Crow, Breeze, and Night, especially in Crow's POV, because we can at least see from his own eyes that he does at least still really care for them both despite the strain, especially considered we've seen Nightcloud through negative glasses many times, it probably helped a lot better to have it seen through Crowfeather himself, especially at the time they broke up. And the SE at least made sure to show he acknowledged that he been a bad dad and tried being a decent father to Breezepelt, while Nightcloud disappeared and after they brought her back, and it gave him the character growth we desperately needed after seeing him so stagnant for so long. It gave Nightcloud and his relationship with her some much needed closure too; I loved that they're happy to just be friends, for Breezepelt's sake too, which is really sweet, and that's saying something when it comes to them. Also I liked that Crowfeather knew he no longer loved Leafpool like he did seasons ago anymore and he accepted that just fine, and made peace with his remaining kits. So that gave some end to that mess too. His POV is probably one of the more entertaining ones I've read. I love his snark and prickliness, which actually wasn't even that much of an annoyance to me or unenjoyable once the chapters started rolling, someone outta take a shot every-time he calls someone "bee/flea-brained" or some other cat-speak variation for calling someone an idiot (Don't tho unless you want alcohol poisoning). For real tho the "Don't say flea-brained, don't say flea-brained..." bit humored me a lot. Also I'm probably really dumb or something because I don't see the narrative trying to force Breezepelt's redemption at all, at least not to the extent like many claim. I'm just not seeing it. Breezepelt F'd up and he's forced to suffer from it through the book and he tries to atone for his actions multiple times, even admitting what he did was wrong to Lionblaze's face, which was even noted as an effort for him to do. Heck in the Manga he's still on shaky terms with his clan so it's not like they all forgave him entirely either, since it's not like they can forget what he's done in the past, which seems realistic to me. Idk, his redemption seems fine to me. It's actually not too terrible aside from the obvious things, Onestar for instance being consistent in the form of a try-hard mega-idiot-jerkwad if not worse and I REALLY could not stand him in this book at all, he was disgusting and super unbearable to me and I wanted to throw him across the moor every time he opened his damn mouth, and the stoats potential being wasted, ugh. Oh and the clans being against Breezepelt so much, I understand why they'd be that way considering the shiz he did but great googly-moogly it was MV levels of ridiculous, like seriously? Thinking Breeze would kill his own damn mother who he loves? And thinking his grieving is guilt for it? Aight, that's too much alongside vocally wanting him dead. But at least compared to MV he had some of the clan cats on his side the whole time. Also there was more HeatherBreeze hints/moments than I was let on, honestly it makes sense that they would get together considering they have history, but I still wish in a way that we had some instance of how Breezepelt raised his two kits he has now, I was hoping to see how he'd be as a father. Oh well, Either way, their relationship is really cute in the book, I love how supportive she was of him and how he valued her as a close friend, it's actually pretty healthy from the looks of it, I think I can say I officially ship them as my favorite modern Windclan couple. All and all, despite the hurdles (Which aren't too much compared to the pros for me), I really liked this book, it was imo a perfect way to truly end Crowfeather's arc, and he and his Windclan family can finally stop being dysfunctional after so long. His conversation with Nightcloud, apologizing to her for making her feel like crap while they were mates, and his resolution with Breezepelt, seeing that happen was so... SO satisfying. I don't even mind Crow as a deputy anymore after seeing what he's done to try and own up to his mistakes, and the SE made me like him in the end as well. And lastly... Can we just take a moment to appreciate CROWFEATHER AND BREEZEPELT BONDING AND LAUGHING AND BEING AWKWARD; CROWFEATHER BRINGING UP HEATHERTAIL WITH BREEZE AND BREEZE GETTING ALL WEIRD ABOUT IT. THEY DID THE AWKWARD DAD/SON THING WITH RELATIONSHIPS. THEY DID THE THING. I fricking love that. The only thing I will say is, moments in Crowfeather's Trial come close to being as mean-spirited as Mapleshade's vengence I feel is quite an overstatement. In that book, they exile completely innocent kits without once bringing up the part it was a against the code. And the other, of a warrior, who still clearly loves Thunderclan, simply mating with a Riverclan cat, not attack or killing anyone. Meanwhile, Breezepelt willingly supportly an army of the Worst cat in Clan history, most of them mass murderers. Who killed 8 of his clanmates, actively helped them by attacking serval himself and then trying to kill his Half-brother, even if he was from Thunderclan. That is a massive difference. And considering how much Breezepelt hated his father and he actually tried to kill his own brother, it's not too much of a stretch for others to assume he could also kill his own mother.
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Post by Fernstep on Sept 8, 2018 13:51:31 GMT -5
Terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 14:19:38 GMT -5
I haven’t read it yet but from what I’ve learned so far I’m pleasantly surprised, but I’m reserving my full opinion till I do read it cause my expectations for the book were so low that I’m probably feeling good about it due to sheer comparison. But I’m still expecting it to be at least good.
This coming from someone that heard all about how the new Star Wars film was horrible, expected it to that then watched it and thought it was actually really good.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Sept 8, 2018 14:34:54 GMT -5
Just finished it, and it wasn't that bad. Though I hated the moments with Onestar. It got to the point when I had to put the book down for a few minutes.
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