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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 5, 2018 18:08:42 GMT -5
How do you think his redemption was handled?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 18:10:56 GMT -5
He feels.. off to me. On one hand, it makes sense because he always got along with Heathertail and Nightcloud, so I like his softer side. But om the other hand, it seemed like he knew what he was doing, especially when he used Ivypool's speech as to why they joined the Dark Forest. He clearly wanted his siblings dead, and was glad that Hollyleaf died. That's evil. Breezepelt just doesn't feel the same character in this book.
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Post by Chocolate-Fawn on Sept 5, 2018 18:13:29 GMT -5
I haven't finished the book yet. I'm on the part after the first time they meet the stoats.
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 5, 2018 18:20:35 GMT -5
Utter garbage. I hate how his disgusting actions were "justified" and practically forgotten. Worst redemption arc ever, and it ruined CT for me.
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Post by wildspirit on Sept 5, 2018 18:31:23 GMT -5
Redemption? That's a funny way of saying forgetting his past. There are good moments, but his Dark Forest actions are not redeemable. He says he fought in the dark forest to get stronger, which he didn't, and also saying he was on the sides of the clans was he tried to kill multiple clan cats. I really can't stand how Onestar is treating his attacking Lionblaze as "WindClan vs ThunderClan" when that isn't what happened at all, and the book just rolls with it. Breezepelt also never made amends to Jayfeather or Poppyfrost, when he tried to kill both of them. No one seems to bring this up later in the book either. This is not a good redemption arc, and is really just forgetting his past.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 5, 2018 18:35:55 GMT -5
Breezepelt gets to join the politically convenient amnesty for war crimes club
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Post by briarfrost on Sept 5, 2018 18:52:29 GMT -5
I think it was handled mostly well. There's a sense that the narrative is trying to remove accountability for his crimes without letting him off the hook completely, which adds this weird undertone, but it doesn't ruin it for me. The stages are there. He suffers a lot, every ounce of it deserved; he admits he was wrong and apologizes to Lionblaze, which I wasn't expecting; and he continually works to atone, volunteering for a bunch of dangerous missions against the stoats. He shows that he's got good qualities with his relationships with Night and Heather, which are legitimately nice. Some cats forgive him and some don't, and those who don't are portrayed as horrible for it, but as having good reasons and legitimate grievances. Even the manga shows he's still on shaky terms with the Clan, THAT I really liked.
Frankly, my expectations were so low they were underground; I would have settled for "he's being shunned so he's not getting off-scot free". Actual character development and actual effort in the redemption arc was way more than what I thought CT would deliver.
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Post by Apricity on Sept 5, 2018 18:54:25 GMT -5
I wonder why Breezepelt wanted to redeem himself in the first place. Nothing big happened in his life to make him want to change. Heathertail was by his side for a while when he was still evil so becoming her mate can't be it. And his reasons for joining the Dark Forest stated in Crowfeather's Trial aren't true, so that can't be it either.
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Post by Fernstep on Sept 5, 2018 19:19:26 GMT -5
It's like the "Breezepelt" in Crowfeather's Trial was a completely different character from the one in OotS. He was a bit moody and edgy but didn't seem to have any hatred in him at all. Hatred was his defining characteristic in OotS. They didn't "redeem" him so much as pretend he wasn't actually evil in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 19:28:53 GMT -5
Utter garbage. I hate how his disgusting actions were "justified" and practically forgotten. Worst redemption arc ever, and it ruined CT for me. Dang dude I knew you hated Breeze but I didn't think you hated him that much
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 5, 2018 19:33:17 GMT -5
Utter garbage. I hate how his disgusting actions were "justified" and practically forgotten. Worst redemption arc ever, and it ruined CT for me. Dang dude I knew you hated Breeze but I didn't think you hated him that much Always hated him, like a lot, but CT's terrible excuses for his crimes just made it worse. I didn't know it was possible, but it's happened.
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Post by Apricity on Sept 5, 2018 19:44:27 GMT -5
It's like the "Breezepelt" in Crowfeather's Trial was a completely different character from the one in OotS. He was a bit moody and edgy but didn't seem to have any hatred in him at all. Hatred was his defining characteristic in OotS. They didn't "redeem" him so much as pretend he wasn't actually evil in the first place. It seemed like this Breezepelt was more sad that Crowfeather was a bad father towards him, instead of angry. I'm surprised that there wasn't a hint of Breezepelt's resentment towards his father in Crowfeather's Trial. I find it hard to believe that would go away in less than a moon.
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Post by Chocolate-Fawn on Sept 5, 2018 19:54:39 GMT -5
Redemption? That's a funny way of saying forgetting his past. There are good moments, but his Dark Forest actions are not redeemable. He says he fought in the dark forest to get stronger, which he didn't, and also saying he was on the sides of the clans was he tried to kill multiple clan cats. I really can't stand how Onestar is treating his attacking Lionblaze as "WindClan vs ThunderClan" when that isn't what happened at all, and the book just rolls with it. Breezepelt also never made amends to Jayfeather or Poppyfrost, when he tried to kill both of them. No one seems to bring this up later in the book either. This is not a good redemption arc, and is really just forgetting his past. I think when the Erins were writing this book they forgot about the existence of the whole OotS arc
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Post by bramblestorm on Sept 6, 2018 12:44:14 GMT -5
i hated Breezepelt till he saved Sedgekit and Sedgekit's sibling's... and then started hating him again right after that
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 6, 2018 12:54:41 GMT -5
His “redemption” was fine. I don’t get why people are assuming he’s scott free. His clan is never truly going to forget his actions. Nobody is. He’s not some perfect, innocent cat now. The book didn’t show the sheer animosity towards him for nothing. He’s still angry and moody, he’s still hotheaded. Hate it all you want, that’s your opinion, but redemption is in the eye of the beholder. Nobody reading is giving him a scott free pass. He still did awful things. But in the present he is doing better things. He’s making ammends with a cat he believed never loved him, he clearly is capable of showing love by his interactions with Nightcloud and Heathertail. How Windclan sees their own clanmate is going to be biased.
And honestly, OOTS was just as “inconsistent” as many claim this book to be. Every character was stupidly inconsistent. At least in CT, I was able to see the family structure I wanted. I got my BreezeHeather moments. I got my CrowNightBreeze functioning as a decent family again. It hit close to home, to see seperated parents working and choosing to work to be friends, and to be there for their child. That meant a crap ton to me.
Will people hate it? Yep. But the same way people who enjoyed Hollyleaf and Blackstar getting their “redemption”, I greatly enjoyed Breezepelt’s. That’s all I’m going to leave it at.
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Post by Fernstep on Sept 6, 2018 13:06:17 GMT -5
His “redemption” was fine. I don’t get why people are assuming he’s scott free. His clan is never truly going to forget his actions. Nobody is. He’s not some perfect, innocent cat now. The book didn’t show the sheer animosity towards him for nothing. He’s still angry and moody, he’s still hotheaded. Hate it all you want, that’s your opinion, but redemption is in the eye of the beholder. Nobody reading is giving him a scott free pass. He still did awful things. But in the present he is doing better things. He’s making ammends with a cat he believed never loved him, he clearly is capable of showing love by his interactions with Nightcloud and Heathertail. How Windclan sees their own clanmate is going to be biased. And honestly, OOTS was just as “inconsistent” as many claim this book to be. Every character was stupidly inconsistent. At least in CT, I was able to see the family structure I wanted. I got my BreezeHeather moments. I got my CrowNightBreeze functioning as a decent family again. It hit close to home, to see seperated parents working and choosing to work to be friends, and to be there for their child. That meant a crap ton to me. Will people hate it? Yep. But the same way people who enjoyed Hollyleaf and Blackstar getting their “redemption”, I greatly enjoyed Breezepelt’s. That’s all I’m going to leave it at. OotS was indeed extremely inconsistent about many things, including Breezepelt's motivation and attitude. But the one thing it did keep consistent was that he was full of hatred for those around him and was willing to murder to attain his perceived justice. Most importantly, OotS was not inconsistent about what Breezepelt actually did, unlike this book which glanced at his actions from TLH and decided to create an alternate reality in which he never actually attacked WindClan and was only "misguided" instead of explicitly hateful of his entire society.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 11, 2018 21:57:35 GMT -5
Bump
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