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Post by Aphelyon on Aug 31, 2018 22:05:19 GMT -5
HibiscusClan
s h o w y o u r t r u e c o l o r s The draft/example page for this roleplay can be found here.
This is going to be a Clan taking place in Hawaii. The Clan will be on the higher end of semi-literate (so good grammar, a couple paragraphs most posts but nothing crazy). At the moment, the Clan is mostly finished, but there's definitely room for additional details, such as expanding on their religious beliefs, defining the landmarks and layout of their territory and camp, and coming up with a main plot and subplots for the characters to get involved in. It shouldn't be too long before the roleplay is up and running, but in the meantime, feel free to start working on characters and figuring out their relationships with the rest of the Clan, and of course coming up with personal plots for them!
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Sept 2, 2018 17:12:05 GMT -5
Hawaii and Egypt sound fun
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 2, 2018 19:53:15 GMT -5
Yeah the idea of Hawaii really grew on me so I actually started working on that concept. If something else ends up winning in the poll by any significant margin (which judging by the overall lack of activity, it doesn't seem likely) then I'll just put it on a back burner for later. Otherwise, it might be up in a day or two.
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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Sept 3, 2018 0:47:46 GMT -5
hawaii sounds like a super cool place to have a clan
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 6:13:22 GMT -5
the idea of clans in hawaii really appeals to me, and i'd love to help any if you decide to go through with it!
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 3, 2018 7:18:12 GMT -5
Sure thing! I guess I'll officially change this over to a Hawaii Clan, and I'll go ahead and post my draft in the public drafts and provide a link. There are some aspects of it I'm pretty attached to (like the hibiscus theme) but there's also a lot that is up in the air or that can be changed, so if anyone is interested in it still, go ahead and glance over what I have here, and let me know what you think.
The themes I'm really attached to are the idea that HibiscusClans are descended from an ocean spirit (or at least believe they are), and the overall hibiscus/flower theme (though the meaning of different flower colors can be altered). I'd like to keep the general layout of the territory, but the details can change, and obviously landmarks need to be added. I would also be open to expanding their beliefs or changing them a bit more- in particular, maybe some kind of alternative to the Dark Forest, and a bit more detail on how their spirit ancestors differ from the typical StarClan? Other than that, just let me know if you have any ideas.
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 7:39:26 GMT -5
sorry for any typing mistakes, i'm surviving off pretty much just coffee right now!
i love the idea of them believing to be descended from ocean spirits! it would be neat to play with the idea of being spiritual regarding different things of nature and other traditional polynesian (depending on which part of hawaii, i suppose) beliefs, though i'd have to do more research on the latter to help sufficiently if that's something you'd be wanting to do. my knowledge of polynesian culture at the moment caps itself at having watched moana at least twelve times, lmao. also, it would be kind of refreshing to see spirituality based off of more grounded things and not the typical moon or stars? it all depends on what you'd like to do though!
perhaps a concept about evil cats (typically dark forest) being exiled to the deepest depths of the ocean in the afterlife? again, just throwing ideas around, though!
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 3, 2018 8:19:04 GMT -5
Sure, if you want to look into it ^^ though, while I want to make it more Polynesian themed than most Clans, I don't necessarily want to completely change their belief structure, or just outright copy traditional beliefs. But, more inspiration never hurts!
As for the Dark Forest... maybe kind of like how the Clans value the stars, and the Dark Forest is also the Place of No Stars, the bad cats would be exiled to a place without water, since the sea is so important to this Clan? So, maybe like, the volcanoes? So the "good ancestors" are spirits of the sea and the "bad ancestors" could be spirits of fire and lava?
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 8:32:08 GMT -5
so, quite literally fire and brimstone? i think that's pretty fitting for what's essentially cat hell, lmao.
i like that idea though! i definitely wasn't thinking full out polynesian tradition, but maybe the concept of spirits inhabiting nature and morphing the world? rain to them might be a sign that starclan/starclan equivalent is displeased or saddened by their actions, for an example. or when more flowers have bloomed than usual, they'll take it as a sign that they're doing well. since they might believe that spirits literally control elements.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 3, 2018 8:38:42 GMT -5
True. I kind of worked that into the origin story, but to a more extreme measure. I feel like normal, frequent natural occurrences wouldn't so much be taken as a sign (like simple rain, since that probably occurs with such frequency that they couldn't really tie a social pattern to it), but more extreme/unusual things probably would be, like strong storms, flooding, volcanic eruptions or just lava flow, disease, flowers dying, etc. etc. Or even just more minor but noteworthy things, like there being fewer flowers blooming or way more of one particular color blooming than normal, or fewer turtles nesting one year, and things like that.
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Sept 3, 2018 8:46:04 GMT -5
The layout looks really nice!
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 8:50:55 GMT -5
yeah! that's more on the lines of what i was thinking, but i'm too tired to be bold with my ideas. do you have a setting in hawaii in mind? or at least an inspiration for the setting? it should give a better idea for how often the volcano erupts and stuff like high tide. also, the idea of just a volcano in/around the territory is unique as well. i assume it wouldn't erupt that often, but it would be interesting to see a cat die to lava or by inhaling too much of the smoke (also -- mildly terrifying!).
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 8:51:22 GMT -5
and i agree with spark! the layout is really pretty!
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Sept 3, 2018 9:01:35 GMT -5
Having the volcano actually erupt would probably wipe them out completely haha A smoke problem would be very interesting though. Maybe smoke could have a negative connotation as it is the warning of a a volcano eruption. Or I guess it could be considered good because it's a warning?
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 9:04:41 GMT -5
i don't know much about volcanoes (evidently) but if it were farther away i assume the lava wouldn't reach them? that would be the only way to like, ensure they live if the volcano is active. i was thinking a death would be like a cat going near the volcano by like mistaking an omen or something? i have NO idea though
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Sept 3, 2018 9:15:48 GMT -5
Well from what incredibly little I know about volcanoes there are multiple types of eruptions. So I think there could be the weaker types of eruptions that wouldn't ruin their life completely, but would provide lava and stuff.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 3, 2018 9:20:55 GMT -5
Yeah it would definitely depend on proximity, the size of the eruption, and the kind of eruption. When people think of "erupting volcano" they usually think of something to the level of Pompeii, exploding mountains and fire and lava and absolute destruction, but especially in places where there's a lot of volcanic activity (like Hawaii), much smaller and altogether anticlimactic eruptions are fairly common, from what I understand. In fact, many of the islands of Hawaii are continuously expanding just from continuous minor eruptions/lava spillage. Obviously there are times where it's pretty destructive, but it doesn't have to be. As for the Clan, I figured there could maybe be somewhere- if not on the territory, then nearby- where there is lava flow? And smoke and very minor eruptions and stuff, probably. But it's possible at some point during the rp they could face a more significant eruption that actually does effect their entire territory and kill off some cats.
Also thanks for the compliments on the layout XD it's probably my best work so far, by far lmao.
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Sept 3, 2018 9:22:30 GMT -5
Yeah, having a bigger eruption would truly throw everything off. It would be very fun to rp as well. And it does look great!! I couldn't even begin to do something that looked as nice.
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 11:12:28 GMT -5
also can i just say? hibiscus flowers are so pretty... like, i had some grow in my old house, and they really are beautiful. so, of course, i'm in love with this clan's aesthetic.
well! aside from that: i love the concept of the volcano becoming a plot point later. other natural disasters, too. for example: earthquakes. and although very rare, tsunamis. i don't count on the second one too much.
considering that hawaii is a very popular vacation spot, what's the situation on twolegs, too?
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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Sept 3, 2018 12:03:45 GMT -5
hi there! i don't know if you still need any help with this, but i'd love to help if you do!
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 3, 2018 19:17:52 GMT -5
We could definitely still use help for some concepts ^^ mainly the details, and expanding on the sort of vague info I already had come up with, but if you have any additional ideas or concepts feel free to pitch them- we can always add or change stuff.
But yeah, the location does provide a lot of options for natural disasters of varying levels of severity for whenever we need to spice things up. As for twolegs... I don't know actually. I didn't think about it too much. I imagine their territory would be somewhere that's reasonably secluded, so they probably don't get a lot of twoleg activity, but it's possible that people sometimes come along the beach or boat to it? Like, not super frequently but they usually see twolegs at least a couple times a moon, more during some seasons than others. Idk.
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 19:28:16 GMT -5
yeah, maybe they would see twolegs at the same times every year? like most of greenleaf & leaf-bare during what would be winter break. or maybe just during all of leaf-bare? snowbirds & such going to hawaii when it gets cold wherever they live? i can't imagine they'd have the luxury of being too secluded in somewhere like hawaii. perhaps a twolegplace outside of the borders of the territory?
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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Sept 3, 2018 19:41:58 GMT -5
i have a thought, if that's alright! so, hawaii is split up into different islands, right? well, what if these cats live on one of the less touristy islands, and so the only interaction with twolegs is through the natives? perhaps the natives recognized that the cats live there, and, much like a college campus, leave them to whatever they do since it is their home too
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Post by jer bear ! ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ on Sept 3, 2018 19:50:26 GMT -5
that's a good idea! it has twolegs still in the picture, but makes them unbothersome. i'm a fan, since i'd rather have threats be posed by predators and natural disasters!
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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Sept 3, 2018 20:01:10 GMT -5
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 4, 2018 4:07:10 GMT -5
Yeah I was kind of thinking somewhere that was a bit more secluded just due to accessibility, or lack thereof. Obviously no place in Hawaii is truly safe from tourists lol. But I figured it could mostly be like. Hikers/campers, and boaters who are a bit more adventurous, who are able to reach the Clan's cove. But having a closer, more consistent population of two legs works too. Especially bc that means the clan will have a better chance of encountering kittypets and stuff.
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 5, 2018 19:28:18 GMT -5
So.... it looks like we've agreed on a major natural disaster (probably the volcano) being a significant plot later on, but I'm not sure what we can really do with that info now since it will probably be quite a bit later on so we probably won't even start preparing for it quite yet. Other than that, everyone seems happy about the idea of bad cats being spirits of the volcano instead of spirits of the sea. Maybe they could be related to the volcano eruption somehow? I don't want to say that they cause it specifically, because that just seems like way too much power some dead cats to have, but maybe their strength is related? So, like, as the volcano comes closer to erupting, they become stronger and start to influence the Clan more? Hmmmm. That could be an interesting plot maybe. That the spirits of fire are trying to draw the Clan away from the water and the sea, which of course would be construed as an evil act (since the "good" ancestors are the sea) but they're actually doing it to try to get them away from the effects of the volcano? That seems a bit too altruistic though. Maybe they only do it to a select few, like their direct descendants or those that share similar views? Hmmmm.
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Sept 5, 2018 20:34:09 GMT -5
I like that idea! You could have the 'evil' spirits influence a powerful cat in the clan like the med cat, leader, or deputy and try to convince them that moving more inland would be better?
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Post by Aphelyon on Sept 6, 2018 7:25:24 GMT -5
Yeah, for sure! Or, when they most likely fail at that, turn to ambitious cats in the Clan and try to get them to take over, or else just abandon the Clan for some reason. Idk, we'd have to see how it played out in the roleplay, but I do like the overall idea! That could be a good "main plot," since it can involve pretty much anyone, and will likely go on for quite a while, even if it's not real obvious or influencing at the beginning.
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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Sept 6, 2018 14:02:27 GMT -5
hello everyone! i like the idea of the volcano influencing the dark cats' power - what if the dark cats are trying to change the clan's overall worship? like, instead of worshipping the sea, they want them to worship the volcano and fire? so they're coming to cats' dreams to influence them, and try to bring everyone to their side
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