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Post by Fernstep on Aug 29, 2018 20:57:55 GMT -5
Wait, when did we learn about Stouts? What do we currently know? I'm confused. Yikes. Oh, yeah, it wasn't exactly announced in this thread. But basically someone who has the book confirmed that the "new threat" is... stoats.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 29, 2018 20:58:00 GMT -5
Wait, when did we learn about Stouts? What do we currently know? I'm confused. Yikes. Jaysnow said on Discord that the friend who got the book early said that the threat were stoats (I don't go on Twitter, so I'm not sure if it was also announced on there). If this is true, then I'm even more excited because I love anything in the weasel family.
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Post by Sundance on Aug 29, 2018 21:06:37 GMT -5
Wait, when did we learn about Stouts? What do we currently know? I'm confused. Yikes. Oh, yeah, it wasn't exactly announced in this thread. But basically someone who has the book confirmed that the "new threat" is... stoats. Sweet mother of pearl
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 29, 2018 21:08:02 GMT -5
i want to know how stoats and kittypet ghosts and kestrelflight and crowfeather's visions connect
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 29, 2018 21:20:48 GMT -5
I'm actually really curious how this works.
WindClan cats don't have much body weight in general, (which makes me laugh cause this means that Nightcloud totally goes to the gym) they're usually more skinny, which helps them when chasing rabbits on the moor, compared to bulkier clan cats like RiverClan. Who have a higher salt diet, tend to be more big, with sleek fur cause of all the oil, and rabbit, imo, is stringy lol.
Stoats are pretty vicious and very territorial, they'll even attack animals 10x bigger than them without fear, and intimidate them even. They can also kill rats, which even the cats have difficulty with now and then. Also they hunt rabbits, and even more dangerous animals like snakes. I don't doubt that a stoat can hold it's own against a clan cat, especially considering they're also pretty cunning and smart. Against a WindClan cat, they could hold their own, even more if they had numbers.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 29, 2018 21:26:43 GMT -5
These two are just playing, but this is a pretty good idea with the size comparison, of a normal house cat, and again, on average, WindClanners are smaller. But notice how the stoat can easily maneuver around the cat, several times.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 29, 2018 21:46:03 GMT -5
These two are just playing, but this is a pretty good idea with the size comparison, of a normal house cat, and again, on average, WindClanners are smaller. But notice how the stoat can easily maneuver around the cat, several times. The article I posted actually contained this very video, and I still find it interesting for this very reason. This is most likely why Whiskernose, Crouchfoot, and Weaselfur aren't around; WindClan clearly took care of the stoats somehow, but not before these little monsters took a few victims.
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Post by briarfrost on Aug 29, 2018 21:50:23 GMT -5
These two are just playing, but this is a pretty good idea with the size comparison, of a normal house cat, and again, on average, WindClanners are smaller. But notice how the stoat can easily maneuver around the cat, several times. Leaked footage of Crowfeather vs the stoat leader discovered! But seriously, look at that little guy go. That cat's struggling to keep up.
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Post by foxstep on Aug 29, 2018 22:39:34 GMT -5
ay yai yai this book gets more disappointing by the minute
i'd prefer ghost cats, actually
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 29, 2018 22:50:14 GMT -5
Lookie (this from the one person who got it early) ![](https://i.imgur.com/x9zKgTa.jpg) Not that it means anything, but when we're all so spoiler-hungry I figured it couldn't hurt to share. :-P YESS THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE HEADCANONS
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 29, 2018 22:51:49 GMT -5
Lookie (this from the one person who got it early) ![](https://i.imgur.com/x9zKgTa.jpg) Not that it means anything, but when we're all so spoiler-hungry I figured it couldn't hurt to share. :-P Cool! I had a feeling that Harespring and Kestrelflight were brothers, I just was never sure to believe if Heathertail was also their sister since Harespring became a warrior in Outcast, while Heathertail became one by Long Shadows. If they do happen to be siblings, then I'm assuming Harespring did something impressive to gain his name early, or something caused Heathertail to earn her name late as far as an in-universe explanation goes. Perhaps she waited for Breezepelt unless they are the same age?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 29, 2018 23:00:27 GMT -5
Cool! I had a feeling that Harespring and Kestrelflight were brothers, I just was never sure to believe if Heathertail was also their sister since Harespring became a warrior in Outcast, while Heathertail became one by Long Shadows. If they do happen to be siblings, then I'm assuming Harespring did something impressive to gain his name early, or something caused Heathertail to earn her name late as far as an in-universe explanation goes. It's not really unusual if you think of it, it's happened in the series quite a bit. Brightheart, Thornclaw, Cinderpelt and Brackenfur were all littermates and named at different times. So was Rosetail and Thistleclaw. Although, I kind of like the idea that Heatherpaw failed her first assessment since she'd spent so much time with Lionpaw, so she doesn't become a warrior until much later. True, but another I had trouble believing it is because in After Sunset: We Need to Talk, Harepaw is one of the cats seen on the WindClan patrol and appears to be at least around Berrypaw's age. Breezekit had just been born, which means Leafpool had her kits as well since they're supposed to be older than Breezepelt. Heatherpaw is older than Lionpaw, but she'd only been an apprentice for about a moon and a half when she meets him according to The Sight. So either the timeline is messed up, the play is to be considered mostly non-canon (it's already inconsistent enough with the main books anyway), Harespring became an apprentice and/or warrior early and/or Heathertail was apprenticed late and/or had to go through extended training, or the two are simply half-siblings.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 29, 2018 23:09:26 GMT -5
Cool! I had a feeling that Harespring and Kestrelflight were brothers, I just was never sure to believe if Heathertail was also their sister since Harespring became a warrior in Outcast, while Heathertail became one by Long Shadows. If they do happen to be siblings, then I'm assuming Harespring did something impressive to gain his name early, or something caused Heathertail to earn her name late as far as an in-universe explanation goes. Perhaps she waited for Breezepelt unless they are the same age? I've taken that into consideration. Like I said in my other post, either the timeline is messed up, the play After Sunset: We Need to Talk is to be considered mostly non-canon (it's already inconsistent enough with the main books anyway), Harespring became an apprentice and/or warrior early and/or Heathertail was apprenticed late and/or had to go through extended training, or the two are simply half-siblings.
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Post by Chocolate-Fawn on Aug 29, 2018 23:14:47 GMT -5
Wait, when did we learn about Stouts? What do we currently know? I'm confused. Yikes. Oh, yeah, it wasn't exactly announced in this thread. But basically someone who has the book confirmed that the "new threat" is... stoats. What?????? I know stoats can be highly dangerous to rabbits but how are they dangerous to cats??? Stoats are like smaller then cats!!!!
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 29, 2018 23:16:26 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, it wasn't exactly announced in this thread. But basically someone who has the book confirmed that the "new threat" is... stoats. What?????? I know stoats can be highly dangerous to rabbits but how are they dangerous to cats??? Stoats are like smaller then cats!!!! That's why they're dangerous. Look up any video of a stoat with a larger animal. They're crazily fast and they aren't intimidated at all by larger opponents. Cats will have a hard time actually hitting them.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 29, 2018 23:21:43 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, it wasn't exactly announced in this thread. But basically someone who has the book confirmed that the "new threat" is... stoats. What?????? I know stoats can be highly dangerous to rabbits but how are they dangerous to cats??? Stoats are like smaller then cats!!!! Stouts are predators to rabbits, which a normal full grown adult rabbit is bigger than them and yet they STILL can take them down. A normal sized cat isn't much bigger than a rabbit, they're almost about the same size, and stouts are territorial and pretty crazy brave against larger animals. Not even SNAKES scare them! So I wouldn't exactly say they probably wouldn't be a hassle on a cat either. The video linked above shows they're pretty fast and flighty and that can be an advantage against a cat who'd have a hard time keeping up with multiples of them.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 29, 2018 23:24:46 GMT -5
Stoats have Honey Badger energy
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 29, 2018 23:26:21 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, it wasn't exactly announced in this thread. But basically someone who has the book confirmed that the "new threat" is... stoats. What?????? I know stoats can be highly dangerous to rabbits but how are they dangerous to cats??? Stoats are like smaller then cats!!!! Adding onto what Fernstep and Brindlefern said, it's not like the cats haven't encountered enemies smaller than them before either. A stoat's size and agility gives them an even greater advantage over their enemy. On the previous page, I even posted a video of them killing a rabbit. Here it is again.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 29, 2018 23:39:29 GMT -5
I'm skeptical if it is stoats but IF it is... that'd be kinda cool. Rat attacks gave these cats an issue as is, stoats would be much more dangerous for the reasons said.
Doesn't explain the "glowing" part of the tail the cats saw but you never know.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 30, 2018 0:12:03 GMT -5
I'm skeptical if it is stoats but IF it is... that'd be kinda cool. Rat attacks gave these cats an issue as is, stoats would be much more dangerous for the reasons said. Doesn't explain the "glowing" part of the tail the cats saw but you never know. I assume the stoats are like a separate thing from the """ghosts""". And the stoats are confirmed, by the way.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 30, 2018 0:43:32 GMT -5
I mean, one stoat is very agile, and hard to kill, can you imagine multiple on one a cat? A nasty bite to the back of the neck, or even the throat, could really do a lot of damage for a cat. Also, they have claws, and speed, and downright aggressive little monsters. If they thought rats were bad, stoats are like 100x worse, cause they're actually super smart, cunning, and fast, and have no qualms with fighting animals bigger than them. I mean, they are cousins to the mongoose after all. And again, they're known for going for the throat, or the back of the neck, and just latching on, and not letting go, even if they can't get that, the eyes are still vulnerable, their size makes them hard to kill.
This actually reminds me of the badger vs cat fights, where the cats use their size and speed to their advantage. Well now they're in the badger's place, hunh.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 30, 2018 0:58:04 GMT -5
I'm skeptical if it is stoats but IF it is... that'd be kinda cool. Rat attacks gave these cats an issue as is, stoats would be much more dangerous for the reasons said. Doesn't explain the "glowing" part of the tail the cats saw but you never know. I assume the stoats are like a separate thing from the """ghosts""". And the stoats are confirmed, by the way. They are? Oh cool!
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Post by finland on Aug 30, 2018 6:57:49 GMT -5
Why are they so surprised about ghost cats? They just saw ghost cats in The Last Hope
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 7:14:53 GMT -5
Why are they so surprised about ghost cats? They just saw ghost cats in The Last Hope Not to mention we've had ghost cats appearing before. Spottedleaf came to help Firestar & Sandstorm to help Patchpelt in SkyClan, so this doesn't come as surprise to me.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 30, 2018 7:16:19 GMT -5
Why are they so surprised about ghost cats? They just saw ghost cats in The Last Hope I think they're surprised about ghost cats because of that. The Clans believe that you either go to StarClan or the Dark Forest when you die, and they have no idea of the third place until AVoS. To find a ghost cat of all things on their territory so soon after the Great Battle seems unusual to them, and Crowfeather even sees Ashfoot's spirit in a dream, but she's mentioned to not have any stars in her fur.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 30, 2018 14:04:26 GMT -5
So the new threat are stoats? New animals in the series.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 30, 2018 14:07:00 GMT -5
Lookie (this from the one person who got it early) ![](https://i.imgur.com/x9zKgTa.jpg) Not that it means anything, but when we're all so spoiler-hungry I figured it couldn't hurt to share. :-P YES! Please make them littermates!
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