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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 10, 2018 17:15:56 GMT -5
Since the blurb says that Crowfeather will have to face his past, how would you guys feel if it included him and Nightcloud making amends?
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Post by Redwing on Jul 10, 2018 17:18:50 GMT -5
I kinda hope it happens, along with Nightcloud finally realizing how stupid she's being with her son, after she realizes that he's training in the Dark Forest.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 10, 2018 17:36:44 GMT -5
Nightcloud deserves much better and Crowfeather honestly needs to own up for the disgusting crap he's done.
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Post by Basement Cat on Jul 10, 2018 17:37:50 GMT -5
I actually want the opposite. I would like if both Crowfeather and Nightcloud realized how unhealthy their relationship was decided to end things between them and stop hurting themselves and their son.
We have a ton of 'make amends', stories. But the topic of divorce for the good of both parties isn't really touched upon. It's always made to be in a negative light. So I would like if it would be a positive result for them to break it off, and go their separate ways.
Because, I feel like neither Crowfeather or Nightcloud can grow as characters when they are together. They need to stand on their own.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 10, 2018 17:48:43 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. I'm really just wanting Crowfeather and Nightcloud to see that their relationship isn't healthy and working and break it off. Crowfeather isn't happy with Nightcloud and is emotionally distant towards his son, and Nightcloud got the kit she wanted, and acts rather possessive with Crow which I'm pretty sure annoyed him (Usually she acts like that because Leafpool is in the picture, I realized overtime it's always, ALWAYS been about Leafpool).
There's really no reason for them to not break it off. Nightcloud should swallow her pride, and Crowfeather should've confronted her about it at some point, off-screen or on. They're literally keeping themselves in an unhappy relationship for... what reason now? There's literally no reason to keep it going. They don't develop off each other or anything, just call it quits.
If anything, at this point, I would actually think better of them if they were to break it off, because keeping yourself in an unhappy, unhealthy relationship is just gonna make them suffer longer, and they should've realized long ago that it'd be better to go their separate ways. THAT would be the development I'd like to see with them tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 18:24:45 GMT -5
Nightcloud deserves much better and Crowfeather honestly needs to own up for the disgusting crap he's done. So does Nightcloud, she's just as bad as he is, if not worse. At least Crowfeather apologized and he actually DID own up to his own actions in The Last Hope; she never did.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 10, 2018 18:29:52 GMT -5
Nightcloud deserves much better and Crowfeather honestly needs to own up for the disgusting crap he's done. So does Nightcloud, she's just as bad as he is, if not worse. At least Crowfeather apologized and he actually DID own up to his own actions in The Last Hope; she never did. Nope. Not doing this one today. The list of things Crowfeather has done waaaay oversteps Nightcloud in terms of crappiness. And of course Crowfeather "owned up". He was practically a main character. And now his SE will demonize Nightcloud and Breezepelt and brush over his disgusting actions. Nightcloud gets no POV, and therefore gets no protection from being blamed to make Crowfeather look good. It's like telling me that Rowanstar is worse to Shadowclan when Tigerheart was the one who abandoned it. Never gonna agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 18:38:21 GMT -5
Though the idea of them making up with each other is good, I feel like they can do that by splitting up. It's already shown that they bring out the worst in each other as mates, so why not show them trying to be friends? Or heck, just acquaintances.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 18:43:52 GMT -5
Cats have proven their own actions without a PoV before. Breezepelt said so himself he doesn't care what StarClan thinks just before he tried to kill Jayfeather, so that shows you don't need a PoV for defense. Having a PoV means nothing. Characters can prove themselves their worth. Leafpool redeemed herself from her haters (most of them anyways) without a PoV in the recent arc. Crowfeather said so himself that he knew he screwed up and he didn't have a PoV. Millie now bonds with Blossomfall's kits so I'm sure they made up somehow. I don't know why people need a PoV to prove something when there's evidence everywhere, but okay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 18:47:43 GMT -5
Cats have proven their own actions without a PoV before. Breezepelt said so himself he doesn't care what StarClan thinks just before he tried to kill Jayfeather, so that shows you don't need a PoV for defense. Having a PoV means nothing. Characters can prove themselves their worth. Leafpool redeemed herself from her haters (most of them anyways) without a PoV in the recent arc. Crowfeather said so himself that he knew he screwed up and he didn't have a PoV. Millie now bonds with Blossomfall's kits so I'm sure they made up somehow. I don't know why people need a PoV to prove something when there's evidence everywhere, but okay. Kind of like with Sparkpelt, for example. She hasn't even had a POV, and I'm already liking her because of her brutal honesty.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 10, 2018 18:48:07 GMT -5
Cats have proven their own actions without a PoV before. Breezepelt said so himself he doesn't care what StarClan thinks just before he tried to kill Jayfeather, so that shows you don't need a PoV for defense. Having a PoV means nothing. Characters can prove themselves their worth. Leafpool redeemed herself from her haters (most of them anyways) without a PoV in the recent arc. Crowfeather said so himself that he knew he screwed up and he didn't have a PoV. Millie now bonds with Blossomfall's kits so I'm sure they made up somehow. I don't know why people need a PoV to prove something when there's evidence everywhere, but okay. He says it, yet clearly he hasn't changed a bit. He's not redeemed himself in the slightest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 18:50:50 GMT -5
Cats have proven their own actions without a PoV before. Breezepelt said so himself he doesn't care what StarClan thinks just before he tried to kill Jayfeather, so that shows you don't need a PoV for defense. Having a PoV means nothing. Characters can prove themselves their worth. Leafpool redeemed herself from her haters (most of them anyways) without a PoV in the recent arc. Crowfeather said so himself that he knew he screwed up and he didn't have a PoV. Millie now bonds with Blossomfall's kits so I'm sure they made up somehow. I don't know why people need a PoV to prove something when there's evidence everywhere, but okay. He says it, yet clearly he hasn't changed a bit. He's not redeemed himself in the slightest. Just like how Breezepelt hasn't even had a true redemption nor does he deserve one. He doesn't give a flying crap about the code; he said so himself before he tried to kill Jayfeather, and proved it by siding with the Dark Forest. Both Ivypool and Dovewing were sure that he knew what he was doing. There were even times when Breezepelt was excited with their plans. You say you want a PoV from him when there's evidence shown that he doesn't care about the code. This only shows that Nightcloud doesn't need one, either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 18:51:47 GMT -5
Actions speak louder than words. I hate Crowfeather myself but I do wish people would understand that Nightcloud is just as bad as he is. I hate both of them. I only feel sorry for Breezepelt.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 10, 2018 18:59:27 GMT -5
I want a Breezepelt redemption. I want to see more of him instead of the biased view we get from Dovewing and Ivypool. I want Windclan influence and culture. I want them to own up to the literal and canon evidence of Crowfeather brushing him aside and being literally abusive. Actions speak louder than words, after all. I want to see if they can do Breezepelt well.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 10, 2018 19:26:18 GMT -5
I want a Breezepelt redemption. I want to see more of him instead of the biased view we get from Dovewing and Ivypool. I want Windclan influence and culture. I want them to own up to the literal and canon evidence of Crowfeather brushing him aside and being literally abusive. Actions speak louder than words, after all. I want to see if they can do Breezepelt well. How are the views of Ivypool and Dovewing biased in that regard?
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 10, 2018 19:28:06 GMT -5
I want a Breezepelt redemption. I want to see more of him instead of the biased view we get from Dovewing and Ivypool. I want Windclan influence and culture. I want them to own up to the literal and canon evidence of Crowfeather brushing him aside and being literally abusive. Actions speak louder than words, after all. I want to see if they can do Breezepelt well. How are the views of Ivypool and Dovewing biased in that regard? It's a Thunderclan point of view. The culture of Thunderclan and Windclan are different. They'll be keen to keep an opinion on another cat based on certain interactions only. Sure, Breezepelt's a jerk, but I'd like more complexity and clarity from a closer point of view. From inside Windclan itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 19:45:58 GMT -5
How are the views of Ivypool and Dovewing biased in that regard? It's a Thunderclan point of view. The culture of Thunderclan and Windclan are different. They'll be keen to keep an opinion on another cat based on certain interactions only. Sure, Breezepelt's a jerk, but I'd like more complexity and clarity from a closer point of view. From inside Windclan itself. Its not biased if Breezepelt tried to kill a medicine cat It's not biased if he sided with the Dark Forest, calling Ivypool crazy for being on the Clans' side How do you not see he doesn't give a crap about the Clans or the code? Breezepelt is a traitor, an attempted murderer, and a dishonorable cat. Having a bad father doesn't excuse that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 19:49:10 GMT -5
This is the same cat who was GLAD that Hollyleaf died. I'm not saying this because I love her. I'm saying this because this is proof he's a crazy, traitorous cat who knew what he was doing and purposefully sided with the Dark Forest. Dovewing and Ivypool were not biased.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 10, 2018 19:50:31 GMT -5
It's a Thunderclan point of view. The culture of Thunderclan and Windclan are different. They'll be keen to keep an opinion on another cat based on certain interactions only. Sure, Breezepelt's a jerk, but I'd like more complexity and clarity from a closer point of view. From inside Windclan itself. Its not biased if Breezepelt tried to kill a medicine cat It's not biased if he sided with the Dark Forest, calling Ivypool crazy for being on the Clans' side How do you not see he doesn't give a crap about the Clans or the code? Breezepelt is a traitor, an attempted murderer, and a dishonorable cat. Having a bad father doesn't excuse that. But is he the same now? You're missing my point. I know exactly what he did. I know exactly what his actions were. I'm not excusing them based on crappy childhoods. I compare him to Zuko again. We hated him at first because he tried to kill, and had hurt alot of people with no remorse. But then we see more angles to him. We get episodes that revolve around him and we understand there is more to a character than what it seems. If they do it right, Breezepelt could have a great redemption. And if they don't? Oh well then. I'm just saying I want more content on him, that's all. It's Nightcloud I'd defend the most.
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