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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 22:57:51 GMT -5
He's bland AF. People only like him and defend him because of Snow x Thistle.
There, I said it.
Fight me.
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Post by mothsnap on Jun 7, 2018 23:11:07 GMT -5
Well he was a jerk character who wasn't evil (arguably) when he was alive and never changed so that's something I guess. TBH idk why people said he'd have made a good leader and wouldn't have done bad things if Snowfur had lived. I've always felt that he was just a violent, bad boy type guy who realistically would have been a toxic love interest.
Girls, jerks won't change their ways for your. Please stop fantasizing this. Apparently a lot of people do seeing have often it's used an popularized.
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Post by mymerlincat on Jun 7, 2018 23:18:58 GMT -5
I hate Snowfur and like Thistleclaw so nope
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 7, 2018 23:34:50 GMT -5
I never cared for Thistleclaw at all, and I've always been pretty neutral on Snowfur.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 8, 2018 3:09:40 GMT -5
I like him either way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 8, 2018 12:26:41 GMT -5
Thistleclaw gets sympathy more so because of Bluestar's never ending and hypocritical screeds about him as well as the fact that the books desperately try to paint him as if he's evil incarnate to justify him being in the Dark Forest despite coming off more as justification than actual character building. Snowfur just adds to that.
Snowfur was also violent and reckless, no one ever remembers that.
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Post by olivepatch on Jun 8, 2018 12:32:04 GMT -5
thistleclaw... was never good. people seem to forget that he had a pretty big part to play in causing the darkest hour by sicking his apprentice on a kit that was younger than his son. especially when they’re arguing “spottedleafs heart made him evil” in conclusion, thistleclaw sux.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 12:39:00 GMT -5
Thistleclaw gets sympathy more so because of Bluestar's never ending and hypocritical screeds about him as well as the fact that the books desperately try to paint him as if he's evil incarnate to justify him being in the Dark Forest despite coming off more as justification than actual character building. Snowfur just adds to that. Snowfur was also violent and reckless, no one ever remembers that. BP might be biased but remember this is also from her PoV. And to he fair, Thistleclaw was rude to her first. Bluestar didn't really even treat him like dirt. She didn't like him around Thistleclaw because she was jealous she spent time with her sister more than her. This is also the same cat who lost Moonflower, and shortly after that Snowfur pads after Thistleclaw, leaving her sister. Bluestar didn't react the best way about him but honestly, he really is arrogant. He gave her a hard time on a patrol, and he kept boasting about how good he is at everything. Spottedleaf's Heart confirms he's evil. Actually no scratch that, CP confirmed he's evil. He enjoyed killing, and he insulted his own mate, calling her soft. So can we really say that he even loved Snowfur or not? Maybe it's his way of grieving but insulting his own mate wasn't right. He also taught his son really violent moves that could've killed Whitekit. He wasn't even six moons old and Thistleclaw was willing to teach him horrible moves. For those saying she took Whitekit away, can you blame her? She was trying to protect him. Thistleclaw was not raising his son right. In Spottedleaf's Heart he killed a Dark Forest warrior who was defenseless. He also manipulated her. I don't care if people don't accept this as canon, it's what happened and it confirms Thistleclaw is evil; that's the whole point of the book. And since he was willing to move on so fast and use Spottedpaw, it's possible from my theory he didn't love Snowfur since he practically insulted her in CP. Thistleclaw is evil, and there's proof everywhere.
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Post by Darkfang ☾ on Jun 8, 2018 13:55:42 GMT -5
I don't like him I just didn't think he should have gone to the DF because he was a jerk whilst alive but never came across as evil... but then Spottedleaf's Heart happened and my opinion of him is now just headf**ked
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Post by ivypool92287 on Jun 9, 2018 2:41:26 GMT -5
I know, he has absolutely ZERO personality. I think he shouldn't even exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 9:37:04 GMT -5
I know, he has absolutely ZERO personality. I think he shouldn't even exist. So glad other people can see this.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 9, 2018 10:20:05 GMT -5
There are so many arrogant cats in the series that this honestly comes off as Bluestar just trying to find reasons to despise him. Especially when this is the same cat who later makes Tigerclaw her deputy despite him making Thistle look humble by comparison.
“Aren’t you grieving, too?” “Of course!” Thistleclaw slashed at a moss-coated tree. “Snowfur shouldn’t have died! It should’ve been Bluefur on the Thunderpath instead!” “What about your kit?” Shredtail pressed. “Your son?” Thistleclaw curled his lip. “He takes after his mother,” he spat. “There’s no fire in his belly, no hunger for battle.”
In the very same breath he talks about how he grieves for her. Her being soft was clearly not a deal breaker in his eyes. In fact, it comes across as more as internal justification for why she died, an attempt to make her death feel as if it was a deliberate mistake and not just random chance. He cared for her deeply, it's obvious for anyone to see.
In regards to SH, it proves he was loyal to the Dark Forest, sure. Not much else really. I hope you don't say that Antpelt is the incarnation of evil too?
Not only did Bluestar not have a clue about the killing moves(she never once mentions them to herself, only Thistleclaw teaching him the oh so terrible technique of rearing on the hind legs). Are you seriously saying that just rising on the hind legs is some horrible move that could hurt Whitekit? So far as we know, the worst thing that happened to Whitekit was a notched ear in a spar with Tigerpaw.
I guess Rusty is really evil now, because he notched Longtail's ear as well. It's such an absurdity to act as though a notched ear in a society defined by battle is so terrible.
Do you know what happens to cats who don't kill in the DF? They get killed. Once someone gets in, they can't back out as we saw with Beetlewhisker.
He did manipulate Spottedpaw and that was bad and proves he was loyal to the Dark Forest, but there's a spectrum in between loyalty to the Dark Forest and being really evil. After all, Breezepelt got his redemption arc and he makes Thistleclaw look cuddly by comparison(at least Thistleclaw never took sadistic pleasure in attacking a blind medicine cat and pregnant queen).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 10:37:58 GMT -5
There are so many arrogant cats in the series that this honestly comes off as Bluestar just trying to find reasons to despise him. Especially when this is the same cat who later makes Tigerclaw her deputy despite him making Thistle look humble by comparison. “Aren’t you grieving, too?” “Of course!” Thistleclaw slashed at a moss-coated tree. “Snowfur shouldn’t have died! It should’ve been Bluefur on the Thunderpath instead!” “What about your kit?” Shredtail pressed. “Your son?” Thistleclaw curled his lip. “He takes after his mother,” he spat. “There’s no fire in his belly, no hunger for battle.” In the very same breath he talks about how he grieves for her. Her being soft was clearly not a deal breaker in his eyes. In fact, it comes across as more as internal justification for why she died, an attempt to make her death feel as if it was a deliberate mistake and not just random chance. He cared for her deeply, it's obvious for anyone to see. In regards to SH, it proves he was loyal to the Dark Forest, sure. Not much else really. I hope you don't say that Antpelt is the incarnation of evil too? Not only did Bluestar not have a clue about the killing moves(she never once mentions them to herself, only Thistleclaw teaching him the oh so terrible technique of rearing on the hind legs). Are you seriously saying that just rising on the hind legs is some horrible move that could hurt Whitekit? So far as we know, the worst thing that happened to Whitekit was a notched ear in a spar with Tigerpaw. I guess Rusty is really evil now, because he notched Longtail's ear as well. It's such an absurdity to act as though a notched ear in a society defined by battle is so terrible. Do you know what happens to cats who don't kill in the DF? They get killed. Once someone gets in, they can't back out as we saw with Beetlewhisker. He did manipulate Spottedpaw and that was bad and proves he was loyal to the Dark Forest, but there's a spectrum in between loyalty to the Dark Forest and being really evil. After all, Breezepelt got his redemption arc and he makes Thistleclaw look cuddly by comparison(at least Thistleclaw never took sadistic pleasure in attacking a blind medicine cat and pregnant queen). I really dislike the way you're speaking to me. It feels like you're being sarcastic and disrespectful, honestly. If I've misinterpreted this then I am sorry, but I will not continue to debate with you if you're going to be like this with me, because I honestly feel slightly disrespected by your tone. I respect your opinion, let's just agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 10:39:53 GMT -5
Well, I'm ending it at that.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 10, 2018 1:21:04 GMT -5
Can we not involve political figures with fictional cats, two completely different things.
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