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Post by Aphelyon on Nov 30, 2017 23:12:35 GMT -5
So I'm sure this sounds, like, super cringy and tbh it is but it was an idea I had kind of in passing about 5 minutes ago with toasting a bagel and idk I just thought it sounded fun lmao. So basically it would be a very fantastical Clan, not exactly powers per se but definitely not realistic. I imagine it would take place on an Alternia-like world (if not actual Alternia) and the Clan would have to be nocturnal because, ya know, the sun is terrible. Cats would probably mostly be neutral colors (black, white, gray, possible tabby and other markings), would have horns, and their hierarchy would of course be based on the hemospectrum. Not sure quite how far with the troll theme we would want to go, if the similarities would be primarily aesthetic or if you'd want to go as far as the whole mother grub, lusus situation, and all that good stuff. I'm thinking keeping it to mostly aesthetic differences, but there could be some sort of stand-in for lusii and possibly even the mother grub. Besides that, I mostly have just a collection of random tidbits of potential lore/tradition.
- Clan leader is, of course, always a fuchsiablood. Deputy is a violetblood. When the leader dies, the deputy doesn't take their place; instead, all other fuchsiabloods in the Clan who have earned their warrior names (in the case that there is more than one) fight potentially to the death for the leadership. The leader can be challenged at any time by the other fuchsiabloods in the Clan, meaning that they tend to kill each other off to retain their power. - Cats' lifespans are slightly affected by their blood caste. Cats of highbloods tend to be physically larger and stronger, and may live several times as long as lowbloods. However, lowbloods tend to have better connections with StarClan, and may have other small powers (nothing as impressive as some of the trolls', but minor things). - The medicine cat is always a jadeblood. Inversely, though any she-cat can have kits, they are all nursed and cared for by jadeblood queens. - Semi-aquatic fuchsiabloods and violetbloods? - Quadrants? Not sure how that would work without the mother grub, though (or something similar), seeing as they can really only have one mate normally. Or at least, she-cats can't, really. Not at a time. Ya know. But I'll put it firmly in the maybe pile. - Cats must find a mate by a certain age in order to not get culled? - The sun is blinding yay. Also zombies. - Their claws are definitely orange lmao.
So yeah this is like a simultaneously awesome and terrible idea so let me know what you think. I'm thinking this should be a high end semi-lit or literate rp because it's one of those things that I feel like would become easily flooded with some of the more... annoying members of the fandom (you know who I'm talking about) so I would want to filter through them as much as possible. So like, very good grammar and a couple paragraphs as a minimum average. Not sure whether having some characters that are just straight up catified canon trolls will be allowed or not (if so though, Equius is mine). I'm gonna go draw some concept art because troll cats sounds kind of awesome now lmao.
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 0:01:49 GMT -5
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 0:42:09 GMT -5
i am totally down for this omg
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 0:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 0:47:58 GMT -5
hOnK ) anyway omg is there anything you really wanted to discuss about the ideas right now?
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 0:52:36 GMT -5
Pretty much just your opinions on everything listed, and how feasible they are. In particular, the one issue mentioned, "how far to go with the troll theme." So like. Are they basically just nocturnal gray cats with horns and weird blood who live in pink trees, or do we go full on with the vaguely insectoid theme? If so, how do we pull that off in a Clan setting? Mother grub? Quadrants? And just other such lore tidbits. Basically nothing that's listed up there is actually set in stone, it's all up for debate. And if you have any other ideas of how to throw in tidbits of troll culture, or just stuff from the HS universe in general, feel free to suggest them. Any way to make this more trashy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 1:37:14 GMT -5
Sorry for that poof! I'll type up some thoughts and ideas in a moment, my laptop's being dumb so I'm on mobile for a few minutes x3
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 1:44:49 GMT -5
haha yeah I know that feeling. No problem!
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 1:50:58 GMT -5
- Clan leader is, of course, always a fuchsiablood. Deputy is a violetblood. When the leader dies, the deputy doesn't take their place; instead, all other fuchsiabloods in the Clan who have earned their warrior names (in the case that there is more than one) fight potentially to the death for the leadership. The leader can be challenged at any time by the other fuchsiabloods in the Clan, meaning that they tend to kill each other off to retain their power. Really like this idea. I think we should keep this one. - Cats' lifespans are slightly affected by their blood caste. Cats of highbloods tend to be physically larger and stronger, and may live several times as long as lowbloods. However, lowbloods tend to have better connections with StarClan, and may have other small powers (nothing as impressive as some of the trolls', but minor things). I also really like this idea. If we include powers, we can expand on this later. - The medicine cat is always a jadeblood. Inversely, though any she-cat can have kits, they are all nursed and cared for by jadeblood queens. This sounds like a solid idea as well. Perhaps if a cat is born a jadeblood, they are not allowed to become warriors? Instead they are either trained as a medicine cat, or if the spots are full, trained by older jadebloods to become a care-taker? - Semi-aquatic fuchsiabloods and violetbloods? Semi-aquatic highbloods could be their power of sorts? - Quadrants? Not sure how that would work without the mother grub, though (or something similar), seeing as they can really only have one mate normally. Or at least, she-cats can't, really. Not at a time. Ya know. But I'll put it firmly in the maybe pile. I agree with the maybe pile - quadrants may become too confusing to handle, especially if this is open to people who aren't familiar with Homestuck. - Cats must find a mate by a certain age in order to not get culled? I like this idea, and if we do this, make sure it's enforced as to not let people slip through the cracks with it or whatnot. Make sure joiners know that their cat can and will be killed. - The sun is blinding yay. Also zombies. Yesss - Their claws are definitely orange lmao. Sign me up for orange claws
Horns on cats? yes please As for the Mothergrub, perhaps instead of implementing her as a character, maybe have her implemented into the lore? Maybe something with Mothergrub being the "God" of these cats - life started with the Mothergrub and essentially every cat came from her. When a cat dies they go to live with Mothergrub in the afterlife sort of thing. Keep tabs on certain blood colors. For example, there can only be, say, three fuscia bloods at a time or 5 jade bloods at time, whereas with lower blood colors there can be an infinite amount or something. Red blood may be a 1 or 2 thing at a time since it is a mutation and pretty rare even though it's low.
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 2:05:33 GMT -5
Yeah usually in hemospectrum related roleplays (or anything of the sort; my fanventure and any groups of fantrolls I have) I don't include mutant bloods like Karkat because I always got the impression that that was sort of a one-time thing? Not like mutants can't happen naturally, but that particular instance was specifically created by Sgrub for a particular purpose, and so they would likely be the only two trolls with that particular mutation. If that makes sense. HOWEVER, I would be entirely open to allowed a mutant blood of some kind (whether red like the Vantases or otherwise) into the Clan for a plot or prophecy purpose.
I also do like the idea of the Mother Grub being a sort of mythological figure, though I'm not sure if they would be religious to the point of "they go back to her when they die." I've never gotten the impression trolls were at all religious, so I feel like it would be more of an origin story than afterlife thing, if that makes sense. Also I kind of thought of a parallel to lusii? Like, maybe jadeblood queens raise kits for like two moons or something, and then they're assigned their "mentor," who basically raises them from then on? Not necessarily training them as an apprentice (not until they're old enough) but just generally raises and cares for them once they're weaned.
As for the quadrants, yeah that's one of those things that gets complicated for people who don't know the source, and honestly it seems like even a lot of people in the fandom don't really understand it XD I can't say I'm an expert personally, but honestly the only one I never really got was austpistism lmao. So I think it would be super cool to include it in some form, but I can also see reasons not to, both for the sake of keeping it simple (or at least not insanely complicated) as well as the biological perspective of it doesn't make sense for terrestrial species. So yeah XD still in the maybe pile. Though, I really like moirails. Maybe we can just keep moirails XD or make it to where they can have a matesprit or a kismesis, but not really both at the same time? It just depends on the nature of their "romantic" relationship. Idk.
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Post by ♡ Bun ♡ on Dec 1, 2017 2:08:04 GMT -5
>> Ooc << Goblin come back to the clan's gathering page please, thank you. >> RP <<
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 2:16:48 GMT -5
when you've had everything typed up and then it gets deleted ;v;
anyway, let me retype all that omg
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 2:23:47 GMT -5
I like that idea. Instead of having mutant bloods, just sort of "ban" them for the most part; perhaps open it up later on in the role-play through a huge plot idea/prophecy sort of thing down the road. A mutant blood plot would be interesting once the role-play is more established and whatnot.
Ohh yeah, there was never really much about religion with the trolls and all, so I'm totally down for Mother Grub being an origin story concept. That could work out nicely I believe uwu And I like that idea as well - it could give the Clan a nice sense of community between all the power struggles with the higher bloods. xD It would make for some interesting relationships throughout the role-play as well. And maybe there's a rule about "mentors" based on blood colors; high bloods can only be mentored by high bloods, low bloods only mentored by low bloods, etc.
Maybe the quadrants could be something we decide on if we get more opinions later? ;w; I'm still on the fence with it as well, but I do see the concept of matesprits being fairly simple to understand since it's one of the more easily understood concepts of the quadrant. Morails are really cute as well, though ;w; But I'm a sucker for platonic soulmates
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 2:24:41 GMT -5
So uh I might have tried to do a thing and it might have come out absolutely terrifying
Edit: also rip I thought I replied to that, Milk. I'll be there shortly.
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 2:26:50 GMT -5
somehow that's creepily cute
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 2:34:06 GMT -5
I like that idea. Instead of having mutant bloods, just sort of "ban" them for the most part; perhaps open it up later on in the role-play through a huge plot idea/prophecy sort of thing down the road. A mutant blood plot would be interesting once the role-play is more established and whatnot.
Ohh yeah, there was never really much about religion with the trolls and all, so I'm totally down for Mother Grub being an origin story concept. That could work out nicely I believe uwu And I like that idea as well - it could give the Clan a nice sense of community between all the power struggles with the higher bloods. xD It would make for some interesting relationships throughout the role-play as well. And maybe there's a rule about "mentors" based on blood colors; high bloods can only be mentored by high bloods, low bloods only mentored by low bloods, etc.
Maybe the quadrants could be something we decide on if we get more opinions later? ;w; I'm still on the fence with it as well, but I do see the concept of matesprits being fairly simple to understand since it's one of the more easily understood concepts of the quadrant. Morails are really cute as well, though ;w; But I'm a sucker for platonic soulmates Yeah, and I mean kismeses are fairly easy to explain also, as in they're romantic relationships but based primarily on mutual antagonism? I feel like we could make it work, but maybe if we just like discouraged people who haven't read the comic from jumping into the rp with a kismesis. Like, they should see how it's done in the rp and THEN maybe partake. Idk. And then austipstisms are one of those things that honestly always seemed kind of unofficial anyways so like we could probably get away will allowing them because it's basically just one person meddling in a couple of other peoples' relationship, so, normal XD
And yeah probably similar to lusii, cats can only mentor other cats of the same blood color. Similar to how they do their occupations as well, perhaps what they're able to learn as warriors depends on blood caste as well? So like, lowbloods only learn pretty basic fighting moves, for example, and focus more on hunting, while highbloods learn more advanced fighting and don't focus as much on hunting. That sort of thing. And yeah, maybe jadebloods are all trained in medicine? So instead of having a singular "medicine cat" you have a bunch of jadebloods that are caretakers- the nurse kits, and when they're not doing that they heal Clanmates. Idk.
As for balances, which I forgot to reply to earlier, yeah that would definitely be a thing. I would probably say for the highbloods, +2 for each tier. As in, you have up to 3 fuchsiabloods, so you can have up to 5 violetbloods, and up to 7 purplebloods, and so on. Though, that could get to be quite a lot. Just between fuchsia to cerulean that's 35 cats, not to mention teal and down. So there might have to be a slightly lower limit XD maybe just +1? So 3 fuchsia, 4 violent, and so on. That's only 25 to cerulean, which is still a lot but not absurd. Then you set the cap for jade lower since they're disproportionately rare (maybe 5 total? And all she-cats?) and then as many yellow, bronze, and burgundy as people want (so long as there are a few more of each caste than the caste above it). That's still a lot of damn cats but it's not a stupid number XD
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 2:41:30 GMT -5
I managed to make it slightly less disturbing. But only slightly.
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 2:46:03 GMT -5
I can see that working. Especially since, in the end, the quadrants are based on circumstances that happen in real life and in role-plays quite a bit, so perhaps getting it to work out won't be so hard in the long run, especially once it's been role-played out and everything.
Those ideas sound good! I really like the lowbloods focusing more on hunting whereas highbloods focus more on fighting since there's that power distance of low and high, who gets to challenge for leadership and who doesn't. I also like the jadeblood idea as well. There can be maybe 3 to 5 jadebloods at a time or something since it is a relatively rare blood color, but they all have healing skills and are just all around care takers of the Clan, kit or not.
Yeah, I'd keep the restrictions to low numbers for the most part, but I doubt all the positions would be filled up at a time, so it's not like there would be a constant, for example, 27 cats in the high blood range and 59 in the low blood range xD. And keeping it Alternia based, I'm sure many cats would die fairly easily and often leaving more spots typically always open.
Anyway, I think I'm gonna call it a night - it's almost 2 am for me and I have classes in the morning ;w; I'll pop back on tomorrow to keep planning<3
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 2:53:01 GMT -5
lmao it's almost 3am for me but fortunately I don't have to do anything important tomorrow (for once) so I can stay up creating horrible MSPaint atrocities as long as I want XD I think I am about done for the night as well, though. Hopefully someone else will pop on here at some point between now and when you're on next. After all, the more the merrier!
And yeah, death will totally be a constant thing XD it is Alternia, after all. And then they get to come back as zombies! Good times.
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 13:18:26 GMT -5
random thought (again): if this proves really popular, maybe later we could introduce a neighboring Clan that's a Beforus-based Clan. Same biology, but with the utopia them instead of the violent dystopia theme. Idk lol. Probably won't happen, but it's a thought.
next thought: all banners, maps, cat images, and such should be done in MSPaint for that true HS style lmao. Maybe not the terrifying sort of cat which is now my profile picture, but something like that (but less horrifying). I'll be working on that.
next though^2: someone (who I do hope will be showing up here soon) mentioned the use of signs, which briefly had crossed my mind but I immediately dismissed it. Still, there could possibly be a way of including them. There are theoretically 48 signs (and I have my theories on where that number came from, but I'll expand on that should we use this concept), so what if within the Clan, there are 1-2 cats with each sign, and that sort of identifies them? The signs are pretty much passed down from mentor-apprentice, so mentors will actually only ever have one apprentice in their lifetime (and probably when they're a bit older too). That I think would put a pretty significant loose cap on the number of characters (1 of each sign, plus realistically however apprentices might be in the Clan at once, so like roughly 60 something max. A lot but I've seen normal Clans with more tbh). Kits (up to 2 moons old) of course don't have signs yet, and elders probably aren't a thing in a society like this (which is fine because no one ever wants to play elders anyways). Of course, the signs would have to balanced between castes, with the high bloods having fewer available signs than lowbloods, but that's always how I've imagined it anyhow. Idk if this is a good idea that adds to the Clan or just overcomplicates it XD let me know what you think.
another thought: limebloods should be mentioned in the history at least briefly. They were a caste between yellow and olive which, if I remember correctly, had psionics so strong that even the empress feared them, and so she wiped them out. Also, maybe (like the Summoner) it's possible that a lowblood can be born with wings? But like mutants it would only be used for story/plot purposes and would be limited to, like, a one-time thing.
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 18:03:12 GMT -5
So I think I succeeded in creating some less disturbing trollcat sprites. They're still not exactly beautiful but they're not quite as horrifying. Apparently it was the Jaspers sprite that was the problem- using G-Cat's sprite makes them turn out more or less fine. I pretty much just copied and pasted random bits of other sprites on to them, so it's certainly possible to add in more variation (I can easily dissect my trolls' sprites, of which I have many, and that'll give us more horns and eyes and such). But just as examples... also, the second one is a violetblood, seadweller. And the she-cat's don't necessarily have to have eyelashes but I feel like they look better with them.
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 18:10:10 GMT -5
awww, those are really cute actually c':
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 1, 2017 18:55:08 GMT -5
Thanks XD I felt like including images would be important mainly because horns can be difficult to describe lmao. So i thonk what I'll do is basically put sprite sheets where the sprites are numbered and people can either do their own cat image or they can pick and choose from the sprite sheets and I'll assemble them. The latter intended mostly for people who aren't really Homestucks or who aren't picky about their horns and whatnot lmao.
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Post by Feathertalon on Dec 1, 2017 19:18:09 GMT -5
sounds good uvu
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 17:55:53 GMT -5
King is here.
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 3, 2017 20:07:24 GMT -5
yo I am around. What's up? Other than the fact that there are now two Kings and we need to fight to the death to determine the alpha lmao.
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 4, 2017 16:53:19 GMT -5
So, some more thoughts and questions, as per usual.
1) Prey/predators/animals. If this takes place on Alternia, or at least an Alternia-like world, the animals will probably be quite a bit different than in regular Clans. At the very least, most are probably much larger and more dangerous than regular animals, making even hunting a dangerous task for the Clan. I dunno if we would want to get real into detail with it, but adding in a few canonical lusus animals (like Tinkerbull, though probably calling it a different name) might be cool. The rest could probably just stay pretty much the same, but trollified (grayish coloring, larger and more vicious, multi-colored blood, and so on). Same goes for plants, really; similar typess of herbs and such, but with a more Alternian appearance.
2) Names. I'm not really sure how we want to do names for the Clan, but I have a few ideas. Obviously, in order to keep it a Clan and not just trolls as felines, we'd want to keep a similar naming structure, with prefix-suffix. However, I feel as though the way cats get their names should be special. Firstly, the lusus/mentor definitely should be the one to name them, since trolls are named after a sound their lusus makes. If we include signs, I feel as though different signs should have different themes that are associated with them, and thus certain categories of prefixes which are used for that sign more often. If signs aren't a thing, then potentially just the blood colors have associated themes. Ie, water-based names would probably be reserved for purple and fuchsia bloods. I'm also thinking that suffixes should possibly be passed down from mentor to apprentice? Since trolls of a certain sign (theoretically) have the same surname, so that would sort of reflect that. But I'm not sure lol.
3) Gl'bgolyb is definitely a thing. I'm thinking perhaps in the center-ish of the Clan's territory there should be some kind of pond or something where she lives, and cats basically have to bring her prey and other sacrifices in order to prevent her from killing all of them with the Vast Glub. Since there aren't really traditional lusii, like she's fed in the comic, she'd probably have to be fed prey animals and possibly the occasional cat as well, perhaps necessitating the Clan to make sacrifices of their own from time to time. I imagine she could also speak to the fuchsiabloods to some degree, in whispers and faint prophecies as in the comic. I'm actually thinking she could serve as a pseudo-religious replacement for StarClan.
4) Speaking of StarClan, I'm thinking of actually removing StarClan lore from the Clan altogether. The prophecies I think could be mostly handled by Gl'bgolyb, but that's not to say that (like with canonical trolls) there isn't some aspect of ancestral worship. Jadebloods, obviously, would not be true medicine cats without StarClan, and would instead just be healers and caretakers. Instead, I think perhaps each cat would have an "ancestor" kind of like those in HS (ie Redglare for Terezi or the Sufferer for Karkat). Each cat would have an ancestors, but most would never meet them or even know who they are, and to the living they're probably considered more legend than fact. They would be cats from many generations ago, half-forgotten, and who is a direct ancestor to their living counterpart. They would likely have to share a similar appearance (though because the way their genetics work is different than in actual trolls, they wouldn't be nigh identical), but would certainly have similar horns, similar coloring, and the same blood color and gender. These ancestors might, on rare occasion, appear to their descendants in dreams and such to guide them.
5) random thought from like 6 seconds ago: there's no mother grub yeah but what if they laid eggs lmao. or is that getting too weird
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 2:17:09 GMT -5
4) Speaking of StarClan, I'm thinking of actually removing StarClan lore from the Clan altogether. The prophecies I think could be mostly handled by Gl'bgolyb, but that's not to say that (like with canonical trolls) there isn't some aspect of ancestral worship. Jadebloods, obviously, would not be true medicine cats without StarClan, and would instead just be healers and caretakers. Instead, I think perhaps each cat would have an "ancestor" kind of like those in HS (ie Redglare for Terezi or the Sufferer for Karkat). Each cat would have an ancestors, but most would never meet them or even know who they are, and to the living they're probably considered more legend than fact. They would be cats from many generations ago, half-forgotten, and who is a direct ancestor to their living counterpart. They would likely have to share a similar appearance (though because the way their genetics work is different than in actual trolls, they wouldn't be nigh identical), but would certainly have similar horns, similar coloring, and the same blood color and gender. These ancestors might, on rare occasion, appear to their descendants in dreams and such to guide them.
Correct me if I'm wrong bot dont chosen cats receive powers of some kind? If so we could definitely do something classpect related (Classpect is my strongest suit in the HS fandom and I take pride in that.)
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Post by Aphelyon on Dec 10, 2017 15:32:18 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong bot dont chosen cats receive powers of some kind? If so we could definitely do something classpect related (Classpect is my strongest suit in the HS fandom and I take pride in that.) (sorry for not being around much the last few days XD I've been busy with work mostly.)
Yeah, lowbloods (and occasionally highbloods; ie Vriska) can have psionic abilities, but the effects of classpects on "players" who never play and were never intended to play is... badly understood at best, and unconfirmed at worst. Plus, this rp is more focused on trolls specifically than much of the other lore, like Sburb/Sgrub and so on. So while it's not a bad idea, I think introducing classpects in this particular rp would only serve to overcomplicate things without really adding a lot, or even making that much sense. So for powers, I do think we should leave it to the basic lowblood psionics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 16:57:25 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong bot dont chosen cats receive powers of some kind? If so we could definitely do something classpect related (Classpect is my strongest suit in the HS fandom and I take pride in that.) (sorry for not being around much the last few days XD I've been busy with work mostly.)
Yeah, lowbloods (and occasionally highbloods; ie Vriska) can have psionic abilities, but the effects of classpects on "players" who never play and were never intended to play is... badly understood at best, and unconfirmed at worst. Plus, this rp is more focused on trolls specifically than much of the other lore, like Sburb/Sgrub and so on. So while it's not a bad idea, I think introducing classpects in this particular rp would only serve to overcomplicate things without really adding a lot, or even making that much sense. So for powers, I do think we should leave it to the basic lowblood psionics.
Yeah I guess your right it wouldn't add to much.
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