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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 13, 2017 23:42:07 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅, I knew Tumblr was bad, but not that bad. And I have an account on there. Geez, they really are the worst. I have a ton of gay canon ships, but even I know they will never happen. I have never watched Voltron (both remake and original), but Klance has been reminding me of the Zutara vs. Kataang wars ever since I became aware of it. Though from what I'm hearing, it seems worse.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 13, 2017 23:49:35 GMT -5
Pandean , ❅Maplefrost❅ , and ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ , preach it! I absolutely can't stand those unrealistic LGBT+ ships. It's sort of cute at first until it gets annoying. I never quite understood the whole "I hate A because they interfered with my ship/stole B away from C" type of arguments. Like, come on. Let's be realistic here. Another thing people need to keep in mind is that HC is still a company. Not all parents are going to be happy about their kids reading books that feature gay cats (and then there's also the people who claim it's inaccurate, despite evidence of animals taking mates of the same gender and the series is far from accurate anyway), but the books also sell in countries where such a thing is forbidden, so the best the Erins can for now do is imply it and leave it up to the fans to decide. I honestly get the position the Erins are in because things like this are still being censored in kids media today. Like Bubblegum and Marceline's relationship in Adventure Time. It's been confirmed that yeah, they were in a relationship before, a romantic one, but they just can't really display that in the show itself due to laws in other countries and censorships. Another thing is Steven Universe, I remember when they censored one scene where Pearl and Rose were dancing quite intimately, was cut out when it aired in Eastern Europe. I don't watch Adventure Time that much, but I do know what you're referring to. Wasn't the tweet or whatever it was deleted though? That's what I heard anyway. And yeah, I definitely know about how the Pearl x Rose scene in We Need To Talk was edited in certain countries. But yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. Even with confirmed ships, films, books, and movies still need to be careful.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 13, 2017 23:50:35 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ , I knew Tumblr was bad, but not that bad. And I have an account on there. Geez, they really are the worst. I have a ton of gay canon ships, but even I know they will never happen. I have never watched Voltron (both remake and original), but Klance has been reminding me of the Zutara vs. Kataang wars ever since I became aware of it. Though from what I'm hearing, it seems worse. It's pretty interesting that you say that. Because VLD (2016) the current popular one has a lot of the same writers, and storyboarders as Avatar, both the original and Korra series. I guess that's probably why things are so bad as it is? Because of how the Legend of Korra ended with Korra and Asami, a w/w ship, becoming canon, and being confirmed as bisexual. On the other hand, in the original series, Kataang and Zutara, I shipped the latter, Zutara, but I 100% knew Kataang would happen. I mean...Aang WAS the last air bender after all, and he had a crush on Katara for a long while. But I guess I'm content with the fact that Zutara is still the fan favorite still, most of the voice actors supported it too, and in the Extras it was teased that they were originally supposed to be love interest. I guess that's enough to me that there was chemistry there, but from a writing aspect it wouldn't happen. Thank goodness they didn't end up as bad as the Klance fandom though.
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Post by Pandean on Nov 13, 2017 23:56:19 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ I feel like your first problem was trying to talk logic and sense to people on tumblr that place is a cesspit But like I'm a lesbian and of course I love when my sexuality is represented but I'm realistic about it---this is a children's series about cats who battle each other and have prophecies and HC isn't about to make a character openly gay I never saw IvyBlossom as a thing and I'm quite content with IvyFern and don't see why people militantly hate them And holy hell do I HATE when people ship gay or lesbian couples that make no sense but it's fetishized because it's gay Tumblr is honestly horrible. It's the easiest way to get something ruined for you thanks to a fandom. Steven Universe: w/w Amedot shippers bullied one of the storyboard writers, Lauren Zuke, off her twitter for drawing the rival ship Lapidot. Undertale: An artist got cookies from another person in the fandom, the cookies had needles in them, and put a hole in her tongue, all because this person hated the pairing the artist drew. Voltron: The Klance fandom....oh the Klance fandom...I...I don't even know where to start with the utter amount of second hand embarrassment I've experienced because of them. They make the SU fandom look like saints... >> They accuse their rival shippers, Sheith, of being ****philes >> They've attacked and harassed the writers for years about confirmed ages for the characters >> They cheated in the 2017 hyperbole ship of the year event, using bots, just to try and win again Victuuri, an actual canon gay pairing, which got them both disqualified, and giving supercorp the win by default. >> Their was an incident where a Klance fan tried to blackmail Mir Studio with leaks, demanding their pairing be made canon, MS actually asked them to take down the leaks too, and eventually their twitter was banned due to copyright >> About a month back, a few Klance shippers harassed a business woman for have @klance on twitter, based from her name, and she called the cops on them, two of the fans got arrested and let off with warnings >> They recently turned on Jeremy Shada, Lance's VA, for referring to Keith and Lance's relationship as brotherly >> Then turned on Lance himself, not long after that, for his recent official vlog of him fawning over women, and mostly Allura, they were salty it wasn't about Lance x Keith.... >> The writers, storyboarders, and voice actors have stepped in several times to tell people to stop the gross behavior to no avail. >> Doesn't help that in an interview they confirmed Klance won't happen, and that they have no intent of changing the story, or queerbait, but to klance fans they either think that really means "slow burn" or they ignore it. >> Sprinkle in numerous gross death threats and you got your self a one of the worst creations tumblr has ever produced... And this is all over a fictional fanon pairing, mind you, where two of the characters are antagonistic toward one another... Jesus Christ that is ungodly. What the F is wrong with people???? Gods. I hope I never have to venture on tumblr when my novel is out. In other news I keep typing swear words in my responses and keep needing to edit them out
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 14, 2017 0:02:32 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ , I knew Tumblr was bad, but not that bad. And I have an account on there. Geez, they really are the worst. I have a ton of gay canon ships, but even I know they will never happen. I have never watched Voltron (both remake and original), but Klance has been reminding me of the Zutara vs. Kataang wars ever since I became aware of it. Though from what I'm hearing, it seems worse. It's pretty interesting that you say that. Because VLD (2016) the current popular one has a lot of the same writers, and storyboarders as Avatar, both the original and Korra series. I guess that's probably why things are so bad as it is? Because of how the Legend of Korra ended with Korra and Asami, a w/w ship, becoming canon, and being confirmed as bisexual. On the other hand, in the original series, Kataang and Zutara, I shipped the latter, Zutara, but I 100% knew Kataang would happen. I mean...Aang WAS the last air bender after all, and he had a crush on Katara for a long while. But I guess I'm content with the fact that Zutara is still the fan favorite still, most of the voice actors supported it too, and in the Extras it was teased that they were originally supposed to be love interest. I guess that's enough to me that there was chemistry there, but from a writing aspect it wouldn't happen. Thank goodness they didn't end up as bad as the Klance fandom though. Some of the writers and storyboard artists being the same actually is pretty interesting now that you mention it. That's probably why the Voltron remake kept on reminding me of Avatar and Korra for some weird reason. I've read the Avatar Extras, and even when I first watched the show, I was sort of a fan of both Kataang and Zutara, though I knew Kataang was going to be endgame, so I think I might've shipped them more. Although it is interesting how toxic fandoms can be... all because of a ship. Again, I'm glad I'm not that involved in fandoms that much. Like, I'm all for representation and all (Korrasami and Victurri are my favorite ships in general), but really! This is just sad.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:08:26 GMT -5
I honestly get the position the Erins are in because things like this are still being censored in kids media today. Like Bubblegum and Marceline's relationship in Adventure Time. It's been confirmed that yeah, they were in a relationship before, a romantic one, but they just can't really display that in the show itself due to laws in other countries and censorships. Another thing is Steven Universe, I remember when they censored one scene where Pearl and Rose were dancing quite intimately, was cut out when it aired in Eastern Europe. I don't watch Adventure Time that much, but I do know what you're referring to. Wasn't the tweet or whatever it was deleted though? That's what I heard anyway. And yeah, I definitely know about how the Pearl x Rose scene in We Need To Talk was edited in certain countries. But yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. Even with confirmed ships, films, books, and movies still need to be careful. They actually got into it a lot more actually. There's a small series of episodes centered around Marceline, and it's about her back story, and what not. And the whole way she and Bubblegum are together, there's A LOT of heavily implied implications. And in one of the episodes, Varmints I think, there's a really deep moment between them, where it's revealed as to why they broke up. Rebecca Sugar also admitted that she based their relationship off of a fallout she personally had in her life.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 14, 2017 0:19:01 GMT -5
I don't watch Adventure Time that much, but I do know what you're referring to. Wasn't the tweet or whatever it was deleted though? That's what I heard anyway. And yeah, I definitely know about how the Pearl x Rose scene in We Need To Talk was edited in certain countries. But yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. Even with confirmed ships, films, books, and movies still need to be careful. They actually got into it a lot more actually. There's a small series of episodes centered around Marceline, and it's about her back story, and what not. And the whole way she and Bubblegum are together, there's A LOT of heavily implied implications. And in one of the episodes, Varmints I think, there's a really deep moment between them, where it's revealed as to why they broke up. Rebecca Sugar also admitted that she based their relationship off of a fallout she personally had in her life.
Ah, I get it now. Interesting. And I'm guessing the Marceline episodes you're referring to is the Stakes arc, right? I don't watch the show, but I've seen several clips of it to have a good idea what's been happening throughout the show so far. I even noticed the Bubbaline hints.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:23:01 GMT -5
And yeah that's it. Now Bubbline is definitely a type of representation I can get behind tbh. Marceline also used to date guys, meaning there's a good chance she could be bi or pan, which is something else I really love about the show. On the other hand Bubblegum showed romantic interest in Finn, but only when they were he same age, and that was for a temporary amount of time, I believe she lost her memories of it. But that pretty much also confirms she likes guys as well.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 14, 2017 0:25:56 GMT -5
And yeah that's it. Now Bubbline is definitely a type of representation I can get behind tbh. Marceline also used to date guys, meaning there's a good chance she could be bi or pan, which is something else I really love about the show. On the other hand Bubblegum showed romantic interest in Finn, but only when they were he same age, and that was for a temporary amount of time, I believe she lost her memories of it. But that pretty much also confirms she likes guys as well. I remember watching those clips. It's really interesting.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:28:03 GMT -5
It's pretty interesting that you say that. Because VLD (2016) the current popular one has a lot of the same writers, and storyboarders as Avatar, both the original and Korra series. I guess that's probably why things are so bad as it is? Because of how the Legend of Korra ended with Korra and Asami, a w/w ship, becoming canon, and being confirmed as bisexual. On the other hand, in the original series, Kataang and Zutara, I shipped the latter, Zutara, but I 100% knew Kataang would happen. I mean...Aang WAS the last air bender after all, and he had a crush on Katara for a long while. But I guess I'm content with the fact that Zutara is still the fan favorite still, most of the voice actors supported it too, and in the Extras it was teased that they were originally supposed to be love interest. I guess that's enough to me that there was chemistry there, but from a writing aspect it wouldn't happen. Thank goodness they didn't end up as bad as the Klance fandom though. Some of the writers and storyboard artists being the same actually is pretty interesting now that you mention it. That's probably why the Voltron remake kept on reminding me of Avatar and Korra for some weird reason. I've read the Avatar Extras, and even when I first watched the show, I was sort of a fan of both Kataang and Zutara, though I knew Kataang was going to be endgame, so I think I might've shipped them more. Although it is interesting how toxic fandoms can be... all because of a ship. Again, I'm glad I'm not that involved in fandoms that much. Like, I'm all for representation and all (Korrasami and Victurri are my favorite ships in general), but really! This is just sad. The warriors fandom has this same issue too, but I think things really didn't hit the fan until the Spottedleaf's Heart incident. Now that...was crazy. And by crazy, definitely gross-fandom tier crazy. Where fans not only attacked Vicky but Suu as well, and thing got super nasty. Not long after that Vicky retired, and so did Suu after Vicky threw her under the bus. The utter backlash over that book of fictional cats was crazy. I may not have agreed with it, but seriously it got out of hand so quickly. Then you have BlossomIvy, which is super popular in the tumblr warriors fandom, they also have this militant issue toward hetero pairings and are kinda nasty towards anyone that ships them, which a bit much....just...yikes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 0:29:30 GMT -5
I haven't read Darkest Night yet, but I doubt I'll care about this pairing. It doesn't sound like anything special, and mushy gushy stuff (which this relationship sounds like) isn't my thing.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:29:57 GMT -5
Jesus Christ that is ungodly. What the F is wrong with people???? Gods. I hope I never have to venture on tumblr when my novel is out. In other news I keep typing swear words in my responses and keep needing to edit them out I've seen a lot during my time on tumblr, and I've been on there for years. And honestly I don't think I've ever seen a fandom as bad as the Voltron fandom spiral out of control in only less than two years....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 0:30:33 GMT -5
The Warriors tag on tumblr is a nightmare. I avoid it like the plague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 14, 2017 0:32:28 GMT -5
Some of the writers and storyboard artists being the same actually is pretty interesting now that you mention it. That's probably why the Voltron remake kept on reminding me of Avatar and Korra for some weird reason. I've read the Avatar Extras, and even when I first watched the show, I was sort of a fan of both Kataang and Zutara, though I knew Kataang was going to be endgame, so I think I might've shipped them more. Although it is interesting how toxic fandoms can be... all because of a ship. Again, I'm glad I'm not that involved in fandoms that much. Like, I'm all for representation and all (Korrasami and Victurri are my favorite ships in general), but really! This is just sad. The warriors fandom has this same issue too, but I think things really didn't hit the fan until the Spottedleaf's Heart incident. Now that...was crazy. And by crazy, definitely gross-fandom tier crazy. Where fans not only attacked Vicky but Suu as well, and thing got super nasty. Not long after that Vicky retired, and so did Suu after Vicky threw her under the bus. The utter backlash over that book of fictional cats was crazy. I may not have agreed with it, but seriously it got out of hand so quickly. Then you have BlossomIvy, which is super popular in the tumblr warriors fandom, they also have this militant issue toward hetero pairings and are kinda nasty towards anyone that ships them, which a bit much....just...yikes. Those were dark days. I get SH was... controversial (and that's putting it mildly), but there was no need to attack them, or for Vicky to throw Su under the bus. I don't browse Warriors that much on Tumblr, so I wasn't even aware that BlossomxIvy was so popular on there.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:32:33 GMT -5
The Warriors tag on tumblr is a nightmare. I avoid it like the plague I just want to see cute fanart and nice headcanons. But all I get is people clawing at one another's throats over a book with fictional cats in it....
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 14, 2017 0:33:26 GMT -5
The warriors fandom has this same issue too, but I think things really didn't hit the fan until the Spottedleaf's Heart incident. Now that...was crazy. And by crazy, definitely gross-fandom tier crazy. Where fans not only attacked Vicky but Suu as well, and thing got super nasty. Not long after that Vicky retired, and so did Suu after Vicky threw her under the bus. The utter backlash over that book of fictional cats was crazy. I may not have agreed with it, but seriously it got out of hand so quickly. Then you have BlossomIvy, which is super popular in the tumblr warriors fandom, they also have this militant issue toward hetero pairings and are kinda nasty towards anyone that ships them, which a bit much....just...yikes. Those were dark days. I get SH was... controversial (and that's putting it mildly), but there was no need to attack them, or for Vicky to throw Su under the bus. I don't browse Warriors that much on Tumblr, so I wasn't even aware that BlossomxIvy was so popular on there. Not surprised Su deleted her facebook. Poor Su.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:35:36 GMT -5
The warriors fandom has this same issue too, but I think things really didn't hit the fan until the Spottedleaf's Heart incident. Now that...was crazy. And by crazy, definitely gross-fandom tier crazy. Where fans not only attacked Vicky but Suu as well, and thing got super nasty. Not long after that Vicky retired, and so did Suu after Vicky threw her under the bus. The utter backlash over that book of fictional cats was crazy. I may not have agreed with it, but seriously it got out of hand so quickly. Then you have BlossomIvy, which is super popular in the tumblr warriors fandom, they also have this militant issue toward hetero pairings and are kinda nasty towards anyone that ships them, which a bit much....just...yikes. Those were dark days. I get SH was... controversial (and that's putting it mildly), but there was no need to attack them, or for Vicky to throw Su under the bus. I don't browse Warriors that much on Tumblr, so I wasn't even aware that BlossomxIvy was so popular on there. If you go into Ivypool's tag right now, you'll immediately be bombarded with like 10+ "Ivypool is a lesbian" posts, people hating on Fernsong, people complaining about the Erins, then like 1 or 2, super chill fanarts or text posts of people that like FernIvy and are actually okay with it. = . =;;;
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:36:41 GMT -5
Those were dark days. I get SH was... controversial (and that's putting it mildly), but there was no need to attack them, or for Vicky to throw Su under the bus. I don't browse Warriors that much on Tumblr, so I wasn't even aware that BlossomxIvy was so popular on there. Not surprised Su deleted her facebook. Poor Su. She really didn't deserve all the crap she got from Vicky and the fandom...that mess was utterly horrible...
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 0:38:54 GMT -5
Jesus Christ that is ungodly. What the F is wrong with people???? Gods. I hope I never have to venture on tumblr when my novel is out. In other news I keep typing swear words in my responses and keep needing to edit them out I've seen a lot during my time on tumblr, and I've been on there for years. And honestly I don't think I've ever seen a fandom as bad as the Voltron fandom spiral out of control in only less than two years.... It's goddamn insane
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 0:39:21 GMT -5
Not surprised Su deleted her facebook. Poor Su. She really didn't deserve all the crap she got from Vicky and the fandom...that mess was utterly horrible... I don't believe I was here when the Su thing went down. What exactly happened?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:39:43 GMT -5
Ah, I forgot the one incident where a Klance shipper reported one of their friends to their school principal, because they shipped Sheith, accusing them of being a ****phile, to which the school board took seriously...
The crazy irony about all this is that the pairing Sheith, Shiro and Keith, is between two adults, one being 18, just turned 19 actually, the other is 25, his birthday is ironically on a February 29th too, lol. I don't understand the fandom's logic of claiming a pairing between two consenting adults is ****philia...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 0:41:33 GMT -5
The Warriors tag on tumblr is a nightmare. I avoid it like the plague I just want to see cute fanart and nice headcanons. But all I get is people clawing at one another's throats over a book with fictional cats in it.... It is a disaster. One time I went in there and some people were trying to kick adult fans out of the fandom, saying Warriors is for young people only and anyone who is 18+ who likes the series is a ****phile. People were also fighting each other over whether or not Firestar was flowerkin, and if you disagreed you were a terrible person. This was a couple of years ago and I have rarely gone into that tag since, but that was the worst I ever saw it.
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 0:42:28 GMT -5
Ah, I forgot the one incident where a Klance shipper reported one of their friends to their school principal, because they shipped Sheith, accusing them of being a ****phile, to which the school board took seriously... The crazy irony about all this is that the pairing Sheith, Shiro and Keith, is between two adults, one being 18, just turned 19 actually, the other is 25, his birthday is ironically on a February 29th too, lol. I don't understand the fandom's logic of claiming a pairing between two consenting adults is ****philia... Jesus that poor person that got reported gods above wtf
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Post by Pandean on Nov 14, 2017 0:43:21 GMT -5
I just want to see cute fanart and nice headcanons. But all I get is people clawing at one another's throats over a book with fictional cats in it.... It is a disaster. One time I went in there and some people were trying to kick adult fans out of the fandom, saying Warriors is for young people only and anyone who is 18+ who likes the series is a ****phile. People were also fighting each other over whether or not Firestar was flowerkin, and if you disagreed you were a terrible person. This was a couple of years ago and I have rarely gone into that tag since, but that was the worst I ever saw it. What the hell was their argument for these???? Guess about half of this site are ****philes now
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 14, 2017 0:43:41 GMT -5
I just want to see cute fanart and nice headcanons. But all I get is people clawing at one another's throats over a book with fictional cats in it.... It is a disaster. One time I went in there and some people were trying to kick adult fans out of the fandom, saying Warriors is for young people only and anyone who is 18+ who likes the series is a ****phile. People were also fighting each other over whether or not Firestar was flowerkin, and if you disagreed you were a terrible person. This was a couple of years ago and I have rarely gone into that tag since, but that was the worst I ever saw it. tf is flowerkin??? sorry i dont tumblr much.
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Warrior Fanatic
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 14, 2017 0:43:43 GMT -5
Those were dark days. I get SH was... controversial (and that's putting it mildly), but there was no need to attack them, or for Vicky to throw Su under the bus. I don't browse Warriors that much on Tumblr, so I wasn't even aware that BlossomxIvy was so popular on there. Not surprised Su deleted her facebook. Poor Su. Really? That's too bad. Poor Su indeed. I hope she's okay.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 0:45:54 GMT -5
She really didn't deserve all the crap she got from Vicky and the fandom...that mess was utterly horrible... I don't believe I was here when the Su thing went down. What exactly happened? With permission from Vicky, Su "confirmed" a bunch of stuff that a lot of the fandom hated. They started picking on Su, and even Vicky to a degree but mostly Su. When Spottedleaf's Heart came out, a ton of people were furious over Spotted x Thistle and went into overdrive attacking Vicky. Vicky then made an announcement that she was quitting Warriors because she was "out of stories to write about." and then said everything Su confirmed wasn't real anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 0:49:46 GMT -5
It is a disaster. One time I went in there and some people were trying to kick adult fans out of the fandom, saying Warriors is for young people only and anyone who is 18+ who likes the series is a ****phile. People were also fighting each other over whether or not Firestar was flowerkin, and if you disagreed you were a terrible person. This was a couple of years ago and I have rarely gone into that tag since, but that was the worst I ever saw it. tf is flowerkin??? sorry i dont tumblr much. Someone who feels like a flower born into another body, or something like that. I don't really understand it myself.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 14, 2017 0:50:06 GMT -5
She really didn't deserve all the crap she got from Vicky and the fandom...that mess was utterly horrible... I don't believe I was here when the Su thing went down. What exactly happened? You know the saying don't shoot the messenger? Well, that's the exact opposite of what people were doing with Su. She was Vicky's helper, and she was blamed for sending cats like Brightflower and Lilywhisker to the DF, even though she was just giving information that was from Vicky's own notes. It got so bad that one person even ranted to her about changing Rosetail's fur color from brown to gray, even though, again, she was just passing on information. She also had a project called Missing Kits that connected family trees. Vicky said it was canon at first, but then later on said that they weren't. And that's the short version. It was a mess.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 14, 2017 0:52:47 GMT -5
She really didn't deserve all the crap she got from Vicky and the fandom...that mess was utterly horrible... I don't believe I was here when the Su thing went down. What exactly happened? Okay so basically this is from what I rmemebr, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Lets start where where the Erins stand in authority. As of right now, Cherith has the highest authority among the Erins, since she's the oldest apparently, and usually does the biggest shot calls in the series with the editors. They don't exactly communicate face to face either apparently, so I guess that's probably a reason why. Su is a dear friend of Cherith, one of her personal editors, and is known as a super fan, because she knows things about the series that even the Erins seem to forget or never actually memorize. There was a bit of a debate on whether what she said and stated was canon or not, especially after Cherith pretty much confirmed who she is, and how she's one of her helpers for the series. Kate and Vicky, especially Vicky mind you, were gung ho about her helping out with a lot of plot holes concerning missing kits, and family trees in the series. Vicky even made a full on address about her support for Su's hard work, saying her word was openly canon in for the series. Su would answer fan questions in Cherith's place for her whenever she's too busy, she also worked side by side with the admins of the Warrior Wiki to help them with information. Fast forward a couple of months, yes months, and by now the fandom was pretty split. You had people that actually liked all the work Su has been doing. But then you have the side that hated all the decisions she was making, like with family trees, kit names, and pelt descriptions. Every error in the books were practically blamed on Su, by the fandom sadly. Then you have Spottedleaf's Heart. When that dropped, it only took a few hours for the warriors tumblr fandom to go crazy. Fans began to angrily attack Vicky and Su, over it. Vicky because she wrote the novella, and Su just because she's an editor. About a few days later, after the backlash Su got her facebook account banned because so many militant fans reported her wrongfully. She got it back eventually but I think she did in fact delete it again due to all the hate she was getting. On the other hand Vicky announced her retirement. She came out and admitted that the whole point and undertone of SH was to show why Thistleclaw was in the Dark Forest, and to show dark themes of ****philia in the story. Yes. She literally admitted that that was the point she was trying to get across, but imo I think she only said that to save her own hide. Oh but it gets worse, at the end of her statement she pretty much throws Su under the bus, and says that anything stated outside of the series is NOT canon, including Su's months of work, and her massive Missing Kit's list. She goes on and disregards her work as that of a fan, despite hypocritically full on supporting her efforts months ago. Of course this only added fuel to the fire, because Su pretty much left the team after that as well, because there was a lot of implications of a fall out between her and Vicky. In the end the fandom lost it, and the Wiki admins had to undo MONTHS of work on the site.
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