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Post by Lightflame on Oct 19, 2017 12:07:38 GMT -5
Okay, so it's been posted in piecemeal in various places, but I uploaded the whole thing in one album, and decided that I might as well share it here to be helpful. Here's the link.Hope this helps.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Oct 19, 2017 13:36:20 GMT -5
Sparkpelt towards the end says what I think about Skyclan...they seriously should have never existed or should have just stayed away in the gorge or somewhere else far away.
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Post by NightFrostSun on Oct 20, 2017 8:00:36 GMT -5
Thank you for posting this. I can read the entire thing now. Sparkpelt has really deteriated. She has really become cold hearted and insensitive. Sky Clan has every right to live by the lake. As anyone who has read Dawn of the Clans knows Sky Clan was the first clan. Sky Clan's founder Clear Sky was the cat who created the clans. Therefore Skyclan was the original clan and the other four clans would never have existed without Skyclan.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Oct 20, 2017 8:29:22 GMT -5
Technically, Thunderclan and Shadowclan would not have existed.
Windclan and Riverclan would still have existed as a small group of rogues, not big enough to be a clan.
Windstar started out as a rogue named Wind. Moth flight was Wind’s daughter. Gorsestar started out as Wind’s mate, a rogue named Gorse. Riverstar started out as a rogue named River Ripple.
Half of the other cats in Windclan and Riverclan were rogues. (Technically Skyclan beats them all in the amount of rogues)
Thunderstar is Skystar’s son. He (rebelled) against Skystar and stole some territory from him. So that means that thunderclan should either do one of two things:
1. They should be driven away from the lake. 2. They should join Skyclan under Bramblestar (He is descended from Cloudstar, the Skyclan leader when Skyclan left the forest, he had to leave his kits behind)
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Post by kinkajou on Oct 20, 2017 16:53:37 GMT -5
Thank you for posting this. I can read the entire thing now. Sparkpelt has really deteriated. She has really become cold hearted and insensitive. Sky Clan has every right to live by the lake. As anyone who has read Dawn of the Clans knows Sky Clan was the first clan. Sky Clan's founder Clear Sky was the cat who created the clans. Therefore Skyclan was the original clan and the other four clans would never have existed without Skyclan. yes but Spark hasn't read DotC, how would she know? Not that I agree with her but however i did like her better in TAQ
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Post by Tas on Oct 20, 2017 18:02:26 GMT -5
Technically, Thunderclan and Shadowclan would not have existed. Windclan and Riverclan would still have existed as a small group of rogues, not big enough to be a clan. Windstar started out as a rogue named Wind. Moth flight was Wind’s daughter. Gorsestar started out as Wind’s mate, a rogue named Gorse. Riverstar started out as a rogue named River Ripple. Half of the other cats in Windclan and Riverclan were rogues. (Technically Skyclan beats them all in the amount of rogues) Thunderstar is Skystar’s son. He (rebelled) against Skystar and stole some territory from him. So that means that thunderclan should either do one of two things: 1. They should be driven away from the lake. 2. They should join Skyclan under Bramblestar (He is descended from Cloudstar, the Skyclan leader when Skyclan left the forest, he had to leave his kits behind) Not sure I understand your logic here.
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Post by Tas on Oct 20, 2017 18:03:26 GMT -5
Thank you for posting this. I can read the entire thing now. Sparkpelt has really deteriated. She has really become cold hearted and insensitive. Sky Clan has every right to live by the lake. As anyone who has read Dawn of the Clans knows Sky Clan was the first clan. Sky Clan's founder Clear Sky was the cat who created the clans. Therefore Skyclan was the original clan and the other four clans would never have existed without Skyclan. Technically, Gray Wing created the Clans, but I know what you mean. Clear Sky was the first leader to really claim significant territory, mark borders, etc.
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Post by Tas on Oct 20, 2017 18:03:37 GMT -5
Ho boy, am I excited. I like this new Sparkpelt way better than old Sparkpelt. She was so boring with her peppy, optimistic attitude - Twigpaw and Ivypool even notice it! This seems like an awfully good start!
I take it this is before TS, right?
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 20, 2017 19:17:50 GMT -5
Ho boy, am I excited. I like this new Sparkpelt way better than old Sparkpelt. She was so boring with her peppy, optimistic attitude - Twigpaw and Ivypool even notice it! This seems like an awfully good start! I take it this is before TS, right? It takes place "before and kinda during" (Kate said this about TS). So DN takes place before, and some of the events of TS take place during. I'm assuming the leaf bare of TS is the season right after leaf fall, which is where DN is at at the beginning. The leaf bare when Tigerstar 2 is away is when the stuff in DN is happening.
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Post by smilii on Oct 29, 2017 8:08:35 GMT -5
Ech.. I hated Sparkpelt in this. There's being reasonably worried about your Clan (it is, after all, approaching Leafbare and less territory means less space to hunt) and then there's xenophobia. Also, complaining that an ill and frail cat needs to sleep in the warm so they don't, yknow, DIE, is not okay just because Sparkpelt, a perfectly healthy young warrior with thick ThunderClan fur, has to sleep outside. I can understand being annoyed but there are multiple sick RiverClan cats and thus multiple ThunderClan ones sleeping outside too and I don't see any of them being such a brat about it!
And right in front of Twigpaw too. Her mother died and Sparkpelt's being a snide little cow about some of her only remaining family to her face... Dingo.
Contrary to most I could deal with her being a bit of a know-it-all but I guess as Spark & Alder have aged they've continued to be opposite sides of the same leaf; Alderheart is mature, caring (to a fault.. poor skyclan are eating more herb than prey!) and thoughtful, whilst Sparkpelt...
Yeah, I just can't stand characters who are so ungrateful. I hope she gets put in her place but I somehow doubt it. Unless Alderheart becomes SkyClan's medicine cat? Then it'd be all like 'whoopsie doo guess you're racist to your brother now. bye, i have actual work to do. i'll make sure to kerbstomp some kits for you, as that's what you would've done!'
(haha jk she isn't THAT bad but still...)
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 29, 2017 11:44:19 GMT -5
I hope Alder joins SkyClan, just to spite Spark at this point tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 11:53:24 GMT -5
I hope Alder joins SkyClan, just to spite Spark at this point tbh. He wouldn't do that. Hes too nice.
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Post by finland on Oct 29, 2017 12:17:22 GMT -5
I hope Alder joins SkyClan, just to spite Spark at this point tbh. He wouldn't do that. Hes too nice. Unfortunately
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 29, 2017 12:39:18 GMT -5
Sparkpelt has every right to be against it. As does anyone else. It does not make her a bad cat for not opening her paws wide open for an entire clan that could just as easily be an issue as much as it is a good thing to do.
I think she knows inside her that Alderheart might possibly join Skyclan, that's just my personal theory, and that she'll lose her brother to another clan. Of course, she does seem a little out of character, but the other clans do have to give up land for Skyclan around the lake.
I would be fine if Skyclan took territory that wasn't between any of the clans, but in all that open space behind them. Maybe that would work. And not to mention that everyone's taking Twigpaw's side even though she's crossed borders and ran away without telling anybody. I don't care for whatever excuse she had, I'm getting kind of sick of cats keeping things from their clanmates, such as keeping the knowledge of Skyclan itself all hush hush and then expecting everyone to welcome them all happy and open-pawed.
That's just my opinion. *shrug*
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Post by Mayflower on Oct 29, 2017 13:23:57 GMT -5
And not to mention that everyone's taking Twigpaw's side even though she's crossed borders and ran away without telling anybody. I don't care for whatever excuse she had, I'm getting kind of sick of cats keeping things from their clanmates, such as keeping the knowledge of Skyclan itself all hush hush and then expecting everyone to welcome them all happy and open-pawed. Sparkpelt's attitude annoyed me, but tbh, my irritation with Twigpaw's chapter came from her conversation with Ivypool. Why was Ivypool the only one apologizing? She and Alderheart thought Twigpaw was dead. The patrol tracked Twigpaw and found blood and her fur on the Thunderpath...they held vigil for her. Alderheart was brokenhearted, while Ivypool blamed herself and felt truly awful. Then Twigpaw kept pressing during the conversation, because she wanted to "clear the air" but didn't say sorry back when Ivypool said she should have supported her. Twigpaw could've at least said she didn't mean to make them worry and that she shouldn't have run off without warning. The hush-hush thing is pretty irritating, too admittedly. I swear, it's like these cats never learn lol
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 29, 2017 14:32:05 GMT -5
I mean, I'm not big on a character that so easily wants to disregard cats that were starving, tortured, near death, and homeless, and came all this way because of the same type of religious base they have. They can have their own opinion, but dang they don't have to be so xenophobic about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 14:57:00 GMT -5
He wouldn't do that. Hes too nice. Unfortunately What a difference his personality would be when he starts standing up for himself. Imagine this: Jayfeather treats him like dirt one day, Alderheart gets fed up with it and snarls at him.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 29, 2017 15:09:43 GMT -5
I mean, I'm not big on a character that so easily wants to disregard cats that were starving, tortured, near death, and homeless, and came all this way because of the same type of religious base they have. They can have their own opinion, but dang they don't have to be so xenophobic about it. Sparkpelt's not going up to the Skyclan cats and forcing them to leave or stay. And all the clans have been starved, tortured, ect. and there have been times the clans don't help one another. Either way, Skyclan is clearly going to stay no matter what, but if something was forced on me, no matter what it is, there's a right to be unwilling to accept it at first. Every clan is xenophobic at times, and lots of good cats have thought like Sparkpelt has. I mean, alot of people get angry that Thunderclan lets in kittypets and rouges, like Millie, Stormcloud and Purdy. Technically Darktail's rouges could be considered somewhat starved and tortured yet Shadowclan refused to let Tree in. I'm not saying I don't agree with what you're saying, that the reaction comes on as very hostile, but it's not anything new, at least not for me. Does it make it alright? That's not my right to say.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 11:20:16 GMT -5
I'm kind of on the fence on the whole SkyClan thing in the preview. On one hand, SkyClan does have a right to have territory, and I gotta admit that Sparkpelt, Cherryfall, and Molewhisker are being jerks. But on the other hand, Sparkpelt, Cherryfall, and Molewhisker do have an opinion, and they've got a right to be a little worried about SkyClan being at the lake. Plus, as Moonblazer up there said, not everyone's gonna welcome SkyClan with open arms.
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