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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 10, 2017 23:13:36 GMT -5
communism vs capitalism but with cats basically Decemberi have some name ideas russian spelling for it (but in english characters) someone suggested doing it based on animals with strict vs non strict social orders if thats so here are some animals i thought of order always being communism vs capitalism: ducks malardclan vs gadwallclan canines wolfclan vs coyoteclan felines lionclan vs leopardclan aquatic: orcaclan vs sharkclan i feel like we should decide what names to go with if we go the animal route based on settings
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Post by December on Jul 10, 2017 23:15:34 GMT -5
I'm down with the Russian spelling concept! My personal favs are coyote/wolf and lion/leopard, but I agree about the setting. What're you feeling?
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 10, 2017 23:19:29 GMT -5
I'm down with the Russian spelling concept! My personal favs are coyote/wolf and lion/leopard, but I agree about the setting. What're you feeling? i feel like the Russian spelling will make it more memey and draw in more joking people than if we went with animal names
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Post by December on Jul 10, 2017 23:21:36 GMT -5
I'm down with the Russian spelling concept! My personal favs are coyote/wolf and lion/leopard, but I agree about the setting. What're you feeling? i feel like the Russian spelling will make it more memey and draw in more joking people than if we went with animal names Gotta get the Meme Vote. Okay, important question: which one do you want to run?
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 10, 2017 23:25:20 GMT -5
i feel like the Russian spelling will make it more memey and draw in more joking people than if we went with animal names Gotta get the Meme Vote. Okay, important question: which one do you want to run? tbh communism bc meme, but I feel like I'd do a better job at capitalism And I'm not sure if I want it to be 100% meme? Like I want it to be kinda serious and use somewhat realistic warriors names at least
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Post by December on Jul 10, 2017 23:34:55 GMT -5
Gotta get the Meme Vote. Okay, important question: which one do you want to run? tbh communism bc meme, but I feel like I'd do a better job at capitalism And I'm not sure if I want it to be 100% meme? Like I want it to be kinda serious and use somewhat realistic warriors names at least Yeah, I want it to be serious, too. And I'm fine with Communism! Some thoughts: - Wrt prey, CommunismClan should function similarly to how the Clans do in the books - everyone shares prey from the fresh-kill pile, regardless of how much they contributed, and it's understood that you shouldn't eat more than your share and that kits, queens, and elders should be looked after first. In CapitalismClan, the cat who catches the prey can decide what to do with it. They can choose to feed the elders/kits/queens (equivalent of charity ig), they can share it with family, or they can eat it themselves. Warriors who don't catch any prey don't eat unless someone takes pity on them, so they better find something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Jobs could possibly be divided into warrior(/fighter to avoid confusion?), hunter, and medicine cat(/healer maybe). In CapitalismClan, you can choose whatever. In CommunismClan, there are strict limits, and your job is assigned at birth (which isn't even totally a parallel to how real communism works in practice, especially in a modern sense, but it expresses the difference between the two better, lmao). - CapitalismClan's leader doesn't do much day-to-day? Like? They're probably out there being expected to hunt/patrol/whatever, too. But CommunismClan's leader is authoritarian af and has a lot of ~influence~. Also probably doesn't hunt or fight, because they have people to do that?
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 11, 2017 0:18:51 GMT -5
tbh communism bc meme, but I feel like I'd do a better job at capitalism And I'm not sure if I want it to be 100% meme? Like I want it to be kinda serious and use somewhat realistic warriors names at least Yeah, I want it to be serious, too. And I'm fine with Communism! Some thoughts: - Wrt prey, CommunismClan should function similarly to how the Clans do in the books - everyone shares prey from the fresh-kill pile, regardless of how much they contributed, and it's understood that you shouldn't eat more than your share and that kits, queens, and elders should be looked after first. In CapitalismClan, the cat who catches the prey can decide what to do with it. They can choose to feed the elders/kits/queens (equivalent of charity ig), they can share it with family, or they can eat it themselves. Warriors who don't catch any prey don't eat unless someone takes pity on them, so they better find something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Jobs could possibly be divided into warrior(/fighter to avoid confusion?), hunter, and medicine cat(/healer maybe). In CapitalismClan, you can choose whatever. In CommunismClan, there are strict limits, and your job is assigned at birth (which isn't even totally a parallel to how real communism works in practice, especially in a modern sense, but it expresses the difference between the two better, lmao). - CapitalismClan's leader doesn't do much day-to-day? Like? They're probably out there being expected to hunt/patrol/whatever, too. But CommunismClan's leader is authoritarian af and has a lot of ~influence~. Also probably doesn't hunt or fight, because they have people to do that? yes yes yes! I agree 100% AMD alright, I'm capitalism then?
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Post by December on Jul 11, 2017 0:21:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I want it to be serious, too. And I'm fine with Communism! Some thoughts: - Wrt prey, CommunismClan should function similarly to how the Clans do in the books - everyone shares prey from the fresh-kill pile, regardless of how much they contributed, and it's understood that you shouldn't eat more than your share and that kits, queens, and elders should be looked after first. In CapitalismClan, the cat who catches the prey can decide what to do with it. They can choose to feed the elders/kits/queens (equivalent of charity ig), they can share it with family, or they can eat it themselves. Warriors who don't catch any prey don't eat unless someone takes pity on them, so they better find something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Jobs could possibly be divided into warrior(/fighter to avoid confusion?), hunter, and medicine cat(/healer maybe). In CapitalismClan, you can choose whatever. In CommunismClan, there are strict limits, and your job is assigned at birth (which isn't even totally a parallel to how real communism works in practice, especially in a modern sense, but it expresses the difference between the two better, lmao). - CapitalismClan's leader doesn't do much day-to-day? Like? They're probably out there being expected to hunt/patrol/whatever, too. But CommunismClan's leader is authoritarian af and has a lot of ~influence~. Also probably doesn't hunt or fight, because they have people to do that? yes yes yes! I agree 100% AMD alright, I'm capitalism then? Yep! I'm excite.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 11, 2017 0:22:16 GMT -5
yes yes yes! I agree 100% AMD alright, I'm capitalism then? Yep! I'm excite. same same, I'm working on some ideas for banners on gimp rn, its my first time using it so well see what happens lol
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Post by December on Jul 11, 2017 0:23:31 GMT -5
same same, I'm working on some ideas for banners on gimp rn, its my first time using it so well see what happens lol Ooh, nice. My dad's laptop used to have it, and I tried it a few times, but I never really got the hang of it. I can write up the rules and some descriptions tomorrow morning, probably?
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 11, 2017 0:39:53 GMT -5
same same, I'm working on some ideas for banners on gimp rn, its my first time using it so well see what happens lol Ooh, nice. My dad's laptop used to have it, and I tried it a few times, but I never really got the hang of it. I can write up the rules and some descriptions tomorrow morning, probably? sounds good! Also I gave up on gimp and went back to other things I use lol
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Post by December on Jul 11, 2017 19:49:29 GMT -5
Vague history concept:
There was once one big, prosperous Clan. It existed in some sort of vague economic middle ground - probably similar to the books, actually, where apprentices could choose their paths, but the young/old/disabled/otherwise defenseless were taken care of my the whole Clan. Anyway, everything was going well for them, generations and generations of success, until a Big Disaster Struck™. I'm not really sure what kind yet? I'm thinking either a huge disease outbreak, a devastating natural disaster (tornado? earthquake?), or some type of outside attack. Either way, like half the Clan died, including both the leader and the deputy. Thus: massive power vacuum.
I'm thinking the leader had two kits, both of them well-respected young warriors(/hunters), and both of them were naturally like, "Well, obviously I can step up and lead." The problem is, the two had completely opposite ideas about the direction they wanted to take the Clan in. One cat felt that their father needed to allow the cats more freedom and that the Clan needed to focus more on the individual/the family unit. The other cat felt that more control from the leader would allow enough stability to protect the Clan from Big Disasters™ in the future.
Anyway, cue drama, the Clan picking their sides, and maybe a battle or two. Finally, the siblings - or maybe their closest confidants, because they were being pretty stubborn, lbr here - decided that the only way to move forward was for the Clan to split, each sibling taking their own share of the territory and setting up a Clan whose kitty economy/kitty government suited their own beliefs. They went their separate ways, and though tension remained, they both successfully built their Clans.
Skip to a few (three? four? could be more or less if you want, though) generations down the road. There's still a lot of tension between the two leaders and possibly even political unrest within - in CommunismClan cats who crave that sweet Freedom™, and CapitalismClan cats who are like, "Ummm, mayhaps we should take care of the elders?" So that leaves room for constant border drama, but also internal conflict.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 11, 2017 20:52:54 GMT -5
I like it, and what if instead of a natural disaster what if its a group of outsiders that come along and enchant one of the cats under the leader to believe in capitalism like concepts while the sibling has always been very strict with rules and taking care of the elders and kits and the clan??? And like capitalism cat has all the raw talent and whatever but throws it away which angers communist cat and makes them more rigid and communism cat was the one favored by their parents so that angered capitalism cat and made them act out trying to gain attention The siblings then divide the clan in two among the younger cats while the older cats try to keep the clan together at first but then the leader who was on their last life and the deputy both die in the battle trying to stop the cats from fighting?? Or what about instead the deputy is killed by a fox or something and so the two siblings start the fight before their parent can say who they want to elect deputy and the leader dies trying to stop their kids from fighting Well after the death of both then the older clan members pick sides realizing its that or go rogue Idk, what do you think DecemberAlso I feel like it'd be cool to rp the siblings after several seasons have passed since it would make tensions higher and have the older warriors still unhappy about it and perhaps cause revolts???
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Post by December on Jul 11, 2017 21:05:53 GMT -5
I like the concept of Capitalism Cat getting enticed into capitalism, especially since the Clans are p socialist in their natural state? It would probably be a rogue group, since rogues kind of reflect capitalism more naturally with the whole "fight for yourself" attitude. Maybe Capitalism Cat was kind of driven to hang out with them because of resentment over being the more talented but less favored sibling? And they would totally validate Cap Cat, because duh, talents should matter!!! Individuality!!!
We could possibly do the stuff with the Clan slowly falling apart over family drama along with the outbreak of illness, maybe? That would kind of explain why cats just totally abandon the original Clan: because they're desperate. But it also gives the siblings more involvement in everything falling apart, too.
I love the character concepts either way, tbh! I'm actually getting excited about creating Com Cat. I like the idea of both siblings as these old, grizzled leaders getting down to their last few lives but still clinging to the resentment from their youth and just certain that their new way of life is The Only Way.
Also, plot point: maybe some younger cats could hear stories of the og Clan and decide they want to secretly revive it? Especially since it seems like it was the best characteristics of both Clans. (Protects the needy, but also allows some freedom and isn't super strict.) And they've obviously got to sneak around and work with cats from the other Clan, which is difficult. And I like the idea of them being p young, like fresh naive apprentices and early warriors.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 11, 2017 22:40:02 GMT -5
I like the idea of having the younger cats rebel too, yea!
As for the characters I like basing mine off of shelter cats and I have two brothers I think would work perfectly for it
They're names are Turbo and Weasely (who was originally Tax)
I was thinking calling them Wind--- and Weasel---
Turbo is more outgoing and energetic, loves other cats and is definitely more communistic
Weasely is more reserved and independent, doesn't mind other cats and is more capitalistic
If you dont want to do those two brothers I have other sets we could use, I can send you pics of them on discord
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Post by December on Jul 11, 2017 23:10:57 GMT -5
❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵I love them! Also, I'm really into the idea of an extraverted sweetheart as the Communist leader? Just because I feel like the Communist stereotype is "evil, wants to destroy all fun and creativity," but tbh, believing that all humans (or cats) can share the wealth and look out for one another is optimistic af. Looking forward to exploring their dynamic!
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 11, 2017 23:14:39 GMT -5
❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵I love them! Also, I'm really into the idea of an extraverted sweetheart as the Communist leader? Just because I feel like the Communist stereotype is "evil, wants to destroy all fun and creativity," but tbh, believing that all humans (or cats) can share the wealth and look out for one another is optimistic af. Looking forward to exploring their dynamic! yee same here, and I feel like with modern day capitalism being corrupt that while warriors who hunt get first pick the leader and deputy and medicine cat can basically "money grab" the prey
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Post by December on Jul 11, 2017 23:23:15 GMT -5
❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵I love them! Also, I'm really into the idea of an extraverted sweetheart as the Communist leader? Just because I feel like the Communist stereotype is "evil, wants to destroy all fun and creativity," but tbh, believing that all humans (or cats) can share the wealth and look out for one another is optimistic af. Looking forward to exploring their dynamic! yee same here, and I feel like with modern day capitalism being corrupt that while warriors who hunt get first pick the leader and deputy and medicine cat can basically "money grab" the prey Y E S. I lowkey want one of my Capitalism characters to be like a disabled apprentice (medcat maybe?) who feels lowkey abandoned by her Clan and leans hard into the Resistance™ concept tbh.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 11, 2017 23:26:20 GMT -5
yee same here, and I feel like with modern day capitalism being corrupt that while warriors who hunt get first pick the leader and deputy and medicine cat can basically "money grab" the prey Y E S. I lowkey want one of my Capitalism characters to be like a disabled apprentice (medcat maybe?) who feels lowkey abandoned by her Clan and leans hard into the Resistance™ concept tbh. yes yes yes yes I'm hype, wanna work on character designing for the leaders and background story??
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 11, 2017 23:27:02 GMT -5
Oh: should we have Tue capitalistic rogues still hang around and appear every once in a while? Or maybe have them be part of the clan?
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Post by December on Jul 11, 2017 23:31:50 GMT -5
Y E S. I lowkey want one of my Capitalism characters to be like a disabled apprentice (medcat maybe?) who feels lowkey abandoned by her Clan and leans hard into the Resistance™ concept tbh. yes yes yes yes I'm hype, wanna work on character designing for the leaders and background story?? Ye ye. I feel like Windstar is very sweet and optimistic and kind of wants to help others by nature, but is also kind of a stickler to the rules, you know? Like very into the importance of structure and obeying those above you. That might be why he doesn't really get Weasel's resentments towards their parents/dad, because like, why disrespect your leader like that? Why betray the values you were raised on for... capitalism? [shudder] And as a leader, he's p strict, but he also genuinely loves his Clan and wants to protect them. I feel like he's a little stubborn about it - like, very My Way is Best Way - but also well-intentioned. Kind of selfless and protective. Wants them all to be happy.
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Post by December on Jul 11, 2017 23:32:37 GMT -5
Oh: should we have Tue capitalistic rogues still hang around and appear every once in a while? Or maybe have them be part of the clan? I like them as part of the Clan, but either is good? They could also maybe be the types to reject Clan life and stick around to terrorize everyone.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 12, 2017 0:16:27 GMT -5
DecemberI think maybe some become clan and the others stay rogues ???? Idk As for Weaselstar he should be a pretty calm cat, not very passionate for others, pretty lazy but expects everyone else to not be, and takes what he wants although not to the point its highly unfair
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Post by December on Jul 12, 2017 13:40:20 GMT -5
DecemberI think maybe some become clan and the others stay rogues ???? Idk As for Weaselstar he should be a pretty calm cat, not very passionate for others, pretty lazy but expects everyone else to not be, and takes what he wants although not to the point its highly unfair Yeah, I like that a lot! I feel like the rogues should represent like, Peak Evil Capitalism. That potent Rockefeller BS. Like, they're just straight-up greedy and don't give a f--- about anything or anyone but themselves.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Jul 12, 2017 14:31:18 GMT -5
DecemberI think maybe some become clan and the others stay rogues ???? Idk As for Weaselstar he should be a pretty calm cat, not very passionate for others, pretty lazy but expects everyone else to not be, and takes what he wants although not to the point its highly unfair Yeah, I like that a lot! I feel like the rogues should represent like, Peak Evil Capitalism. That potent Rockefeller BS. Like, they're just straight-up greedy and don't give a f--- about anything or anyone but themselves. yee sounds good, I got the coding done I still need to do graphics but need to make sure we've settled on certain names
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Post by December on Jul 12, 2017 15:19:50 GMT -5
Rules concepts:
- Follow all forum rules. I'm sure you know them. What you do on your own time is your choice, but we don't want to be held responsible for your mistakes. - Use standard roleplay etiquette. That means no godmodding, powerplaying, or spotlighting. Furthermore, take any major plot ideas (battles, forbidden love, attempts to overthrow leaders, etc.) to the admins for approval, and any minor plot ideas (cats becoming mates, sibling drama, etc.) to the roleplayers of the other characters involved. - Keep your characters realistic. Even though these Clans are based on human political and economic theory, the characters are all still ordinary cats in a typical Warriors-based setting. All pelt and eye colors must be naturally-occurring, and your cats may not have any wings, horns, or special powers or characteristics in general. Furthermore, unless you've obtained special permission, only use prefixes and suffixes present in the books when naming your cats. - Filling the ranks. First, please don't join with a bunch of kits and apprentices but no warriors or hunters to train them. For every apprentice you make, you must make one adult cat in the field you would like that apprentice to train in, the exception being medicine cat in WolfClan. Additionally, you must secure a mate for any queen character you want to make. If you're interested in playing an orphaned kit or any sort of new arrival to the Clan (such as a former kittypet, loner, or rogue), you must ask permission. It may or may not be granted depending on the number of outsiders already filling the Clan ranks. Finally, special ranks like leader and deputy in both Clans and medicine cat and medicine cat apprentice in WolfClan will be filled at the discretion of the admins. Please remember that these are significant roles within the plot, and that it's important that we can trust anyone who takes them. - Age-appropriate romance only. Kits and apprentice characters can't become pregnant, and while they can have crushes on one another, please don't make your characters officially mates until they receive their full names. - Diversity is highly encouraged. This roleplay is explicitly LGBT-friendly, and if you're not comfortable interacting with LGBT users and characters, you should probably exit immediately. - Understand the nuances of your Clan. Each Clan differs slightly in design from the Clans in the books. Furthermore, the Clans are extremely different from one another as well. Please make sure you are well-informed when it comes to your Clan's culture, ranks, and rank availability. - Stay active. Please alert us if you'll be gone for an extended period of time. We're willing to work with you on activity, but only if you make sure that your absences are excused. - Only take on as many characters as you can manage. While this roleplay does not have a hard character limit, please don't make ten characters per Clan and then only use three of them. We understand that some characters may be more central to the plot than others, but all characters should actively roleplayed. Any inactive characters will be removed, regardless of how active the roleplayer is. - Be respectful. [insert cheesy saying about how drama is cool in character, but is lame in real life here!!!] No, but seriously, please make an effort to get along with your fellow roleplayers. - Ask if you have any questions. We'll be happy to help!
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Post by December on Jul 12, 2017 15:53:10 GMT -5
Rank concepts: - Leader - fairly self-explanatory; the leader is the cat who essentially runs the Clan. They are given nine lives by StarClan to ensure that they are able to run the Clan for as many moons as possible. These tend to be former warriors, as warriors are highly valued for their leadership skills and prowess in battle, but hunters are also eligible. - Deputy - the leader's second-in-command. This cat is expected to take over if the leader dies or is otherwise unable to lead the Clan. Like leaders, deputies are typically selected from a pool of warriors. - Deputy's apprentice - In CoyoteClan, this is just a young hunter or warrior who the deputy sees promise in and would like to train. In WolfClan, however, it's understood that the deputy's apprentice is being groomed to become the next deputy after either the current deputy or leader dies. A WolfClan deputy generally only takes one apprentice in their lifetime, unless that apprentice dies or leaves the Clan. - Healers - like the medicine cats of the books, these cats treat the ill or injured and generally receive and interpret any messages from StarClan. WolfClan has only one healer. However, CoyoteClan has as many healers as there are cats who are interested in the job. - Healer's apprentices - young cats training to become healers. In WolfClan, there is only one healer's apprentice, and the apprentice serves in a subordinate position to the main healer until the healer dies or retires, even if they've already received their full healer name. In CoyoteClan, there are as many healer apprentices as there are young cats who want to become healers, and cats who receive their full names serve as ordinary healers alongside their former mentors. - Hunters - cats whose job it is to specifically focus on catching prey and feeding the Clan. - Hunter apprentices - young hunters-in-training, always paired with a grown hunter for a mentor. - Warriors - cats whose job it is to specifically focus on patrolling the borders and defending the Clan. Though all cats may become involved in large battles, warriors are generally on the front lines of full-Clan conflict, and they also handle smaller issues, such as border skirmishes or invasions by non-feline predators (including foxes, badgers, and more). - Warrior apprentices - young warriors-in-training, always paired with a grown warrior for a mentor. - Queens - cats who are either pregnant or have recently given birth. Full-time queens - meaning, cats who stay in the queens' den even when they aren't pregnant to help other cats raise their kits - are rare but welcome in CoyoteClan, but are not permitted in WolfClan. - Kits - kittens aged between newborn and six moons. - Elders - retired warriors, hunters, healers, and deputies. - Disabled cats - depending on the disability, the cat may be unable to fulfill hunter, warrior, or healer duties. Some of these cats choose to retire early, while others must stay in the medicine den full-time for treatment. In WolfClan, disabled cats are not expected to fulfill traditional Clan duties and are guaranteed lifetime care and protection. In CoyoteClan, the care a disabled cat receives largely depends on how willing other cats are to help them.
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