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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 5, 2017 17:45:22 GMT -5
this isn't supposed to start a flame war im just sharing my view and im very welcome to other ppl sharing theirs this is a very sensitive subject so pls don't disrespect the opinions of others on this thread
now to the good part
straight allies should not use the rainbow flag on their profile. the whole point of pride is to give representation and encouragement to an underrepresented group of people. the flags r a way of showing who u are when it normally might not be safe or convienent to do so. the flags give visibility to people on this forum who might not receive it during their day-to-day life. straight allies do not need special visibility, they receive every day through media and culture. although this is not what i personally think, it coul also seems like you are trying unintentionally steal the spotlight from a minority. if you want to show that you are an ally, you can easily add it to your signature or the little message thing below your avatar. you do not need to steal a groups symbol in order to show your support to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 17:47:28 GMT -5
Where as most people agree with you this whole thread is gonna turn into a devolving can of worms real quick and you probably shouldn't. We've beat this horse to death already.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 17:50:17 GMT -5
while i respect your opinion, i disagree
idc if people use pride flags at all, and i'm honestly just glad to have so many straight and cis ppl who support lgbt rights nowadays. if they wanna use the pride flags, i don't see any issue with it bc they're free for everyone to use. plus i personally don't need a "spotlight" as an lgbt person, it's merely an aspect of who i am and i don't need to be "recognized" as lgbt when i'm not dating anyone or not in a discussion about lgbt rights. of course, i understand that transgender ppl and lgb people in other places may have a lot harder time with having people accept them as lgbt people, i'm just speaking from /my/ experiences.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 5, 2017 17:50:51 GMT -5
Where as most people agree with you this whole thread is gonna turn into a devolving can of worms real quick and you probably shouldn't. We've beat this horse to death already. this was such an unnecessary post smh
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 17:51:53 GMT -5
Where as most people agree with you this whole thread is gonna turn into a devolving can of worms real quick and you probably shouldn't. We've beat this horse to death already. this was such an unnecessary post smh I feel it was very necessary considering threads have already been deleted over this exact debate.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 5, 2017 17:53:33 GMT -5
while i respect your opinion, i disagree idc if people use pride flags at all, and i'm honestly just glad to have so many straight and cis ppl who support lgbt rights nowadays. if they wanna use the pride flags, i don't see any issue with it bc they're free for everyone to use. plus i personally don't need a "spotlight" as an lgbt person, it's merely an aspect of who i am and i don't need to be "recognized" as lgbt when i'm not dating anyone or not in a discussion about lgbt rights. of course, i understand that transgender ppl and lgb people in other places may have a lot harder time with having people accept them as people, i'm just speaking from /my/ experiences. that makes a lot of sense to me. but i think the main thing about this is like idk if ur out or not but im not irl but being bi is a big part of who i am and being able to proudly display it on here feels kinda cool i guess? i just honestly don't see why allies can't just add something to their signatures. but i do appreciate all the support that has come out from allies
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Post by Cheyenne on Jun 5, 2017 17:54:21 GMT -5
I think it's nice that people are showing their support. A bit confusing....but I like it.
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Post by Aku on Jun 5, 2017 17:57:14 GMT -5
I honestly don't have a problem with people using it to show support. It's not hurting anyone and it's nice to know that people care.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 17:58:50 GMT -5
while i respect your opinion, i disagree idc if people use pride flags at all, and i'm honestly just glad to have so many straight and cis ppl who support lgbt rights nowadays. if they wanna use the pride flags, i don't see any issue with it bc they're free for everyone to use. plus i personally don't need a "spotlight" as an lgbt person, it's merely an aspect of who i am and i don't need to be "recognized" as lgbt when i'm not dating anyone or not in a discussion about lgbt rights. of course, i understand that transgender ppl and lgb people in other places may have a lot harder time with having people accept them as people, i'm just speaking from /my/ experiences. that makes a lot of sense to me. but i think the main thing about this is like idk if ur out or not but im not irl but being bi is a big part of who i am and being able to proudly display it on here feels kinda cool i guess? i just honestly don't see why allies can't just add something to their signatures. but i do appreciate all the support that has come out from allies see, and i think that may be why our opinions are different. it's fine ofc if being bi to be a big part of who you are, it's just that i don't view it as a huge aspect of my life. and neither way is right or wrong, just different :) also i'm out to friends but not family(told them years ago but they denied it completely). thankfully though i live in an overall pretty accepting area and have been treated well by people outside of my immediate family :)
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Post by Sour Candy on Jun 5, 2017 18:00:06 GMT -5
I have a feeling this is going to end badly
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 5, 2017 18:01:02 GMT -5
ye it's nice just hearing other people's viewpoints since i missed all the drama about it apparently. so ye thank u @all
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 5, 2017 18:01:37 GMT -5
I have a feeling this is going to end badly this is why tomo left the forums
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Post by Bleak on Jun 5, 2017 18:01:43 GMT -5
I have a feeling this is going to end badly It probably will. But then again, maybe not. But probably
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 18:01:59 GMT -5
As someone who is only out partially IRL (only to close friends/people in my university town. Tried to come out at home to friends and it got awkward quick and I'll never come out to my family while I still depend on my father for financial support because he's a huge homophobe) I see no issue with straight allies displaying their support with the flags. I believe that was the initial point made by the mods anyway, that the flags are "to show support" to/within the community for Pride Month. I appreciate the fact that they're willing to have our backs in the community, and have never felt the attention was being "stolen" away from me
The way the community already is I'd rather have a straight person support me and be proud of it than one who claims a bi girl like me just "does this for attention" -_- Imo we need to be supporting each other as much as possible, not tearing our allies down.
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Post by Sour Candy on Jun 5, 2017 18:02:47 GMT -5
I have a feeling this is going to end badly this is why tomo left the forums That's a bit rude don't you think
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Post by December on Jun 5, 2017 18:05:16 GMT -5
I came in here ready to fight, but I actually agree with you. The flags are an easy way to identify other LGBT forumers at a glance; letting allies use them kind of muddles it, imo.
Edit: That being said, if the overall consensus among LGBT forumers is that allies can use the flags, I'm not gonna argue. I don't think it's a big enough offense to be worth me causing drama within my own community.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 5, 2017 18:05:29 GMT -5
As someone who is only out partially IRL (only to close friends/people in my university town. Tried to come out at home to friends and it got awkward quick and I'll never come out to my family while I still depend on my father for financial support because he's a huge homophobe) I see no issue with straight allies displaying their support with the flags. I believe that was the initial point made by the mods anyway, that the flags are "to show support" to/within the community for Pride Month. I appreciate the fact that they're willing to have our backs in the community, and have never felt the attention was being "stolen" away from me The way the community already is I'd rather have a straight person support me and be proud of it than one who claims a bi girl like me just "does this for attention" -_- Imo we need to be supporting each other as much as possible, not tearing our allies down. i don't wanna make it sound like im tearing allies down bc i have like a lot of respect for then and appreciate everything they have done for the community so this isn't intended to sound like that at all. i guess im just trying to offer like alternatives ways to show support since the rainbow flag is a symbol of the lgbt group itself. but ye i support allies all the way this isn't supposed to tear anyone down and im sorry for the confusion
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Post by Alpha on Jun 5, 2017 18:07:50 GMT -5
There needs to be a flag that says "I support the LGBT community"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 18:09:59 GMT -5
argyle lechuga: S'all good my dude. I'm not here to fight (lets face it I'm never anywhere to fight), just figured I'd toss in my two cents. I also get where you're coming from. I go to a liberal arts university so we analyze the crap out of every sort of response that has to do with identity within a community, aha xD
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Post by December on Jun 5, 2017 18:11:09 GMT -5
Also, tbh, part of being an ally is understanding that things like pride month aren't about you.
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jun 5, 2017 18:14:25 GMT -5
OOC I think it's fine. After all, people can put it in their siggie that they're not queer, just supporting the community, no harm done, right?
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 5, 2017 18:16:20 GMT -5
December this was a really good way of wording it thank u 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 ye that's a good idea also i hadn't thought about that
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 20:01:11 GMT -5
I mean, I don't really care. It's mildly confusing, but at least if you have the flag on your profile, you probably aren't one of those people whining about "THERE SHOULD BE AN EVERY SEXUALITY/GENDER PRIDE MONTH!1!!1!" and accusing the gays of being "toxic and heterophobic!!11!"
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Post by mickle on Jun 5, 2017 20:07:56 GMT -5
there's really no dedicated "im an lgbt ally" flag, is there
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 20:29:58 GMT -5
Personally I don't have a problem with allies using the rainbow. The rainbow has been used as a symbol of support for years, and many allies over the web use it. IMO if the allies are so desperate to be included I'd rather they used the rainbow instead of a "straight ally" flag, but I do see your point about using it to easily identify other LGBT people over the internet. its a complicated issue. I don't think its hurting the cause tho, so I'm content to let allies have their little rainbow if it makes them feel better
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Post by ~●ℓєgσℓαѕ●~ on Jun 5, 2017 20:35:28 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with people showing support. I can understand people being upset, but it's better to be upset over someone who actually has bad intentions over someone who is trying to do good. I personally am not using it because I don't want to offend anyone, and I agree that it's a bit confusing to tell the difference between someone who actually is whatever their flag represents, or someone who is just supporting them.
(Excuse my poor wording skills)
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Post by 🎃❅❖.Şp໐໐kฯຟiຖ໓.❖❅🎃 on Jun 5, 2017 20:50:42 GMT -5
I personally see it as support bc people that use it don't mean harm?? From what I've seen and experienced anyways I can see why you'd think otherwise though.
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Post by 𝔒𝔴𝔩𝔱𝔞𝔩𝔬𝔫 on Jun 5, 2017 21:49:25 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from, but the whole goal of the LGBTQA+ community is not to receive special treatment, but to be treated as equals. I would agree that #straightpride is absolutely ridiculous but those people aren't allies, they're just morons. Allies want to show their support and I absolutely respect and appreciate that. By saying only LGBT+ people get to have their sashes, we're detaching from the goal of being treated as equals to straight people. So, you can either ask for special treatment, or ask for equal treatment, but you don't get both. Also, by saying straight people don't get to show their support during pride month, you are in turn pushing away allies that we'd rather have with us than against us.
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Post by "not" june on Jun 5, 2017 22:46:33 GMT -5
i agree it's a pride event - i think allies should pitch in by putting something in their signature, but seeing the flags on ppl's avvies make me happy there's another lgbt person. feels weird that a straight person might do it..?
but at the same time, i guess it's nitpicking. i'd rather have a str8 person try to support lgbt stuff but be a lil off in the way they do it, rather than no support at all (or worse, hate)
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