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Needlepaw
Aug 6, 2016 13:05:19 GMT -5
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 6, 2016 13:05:19 GMT -5
I can't stand her. Anyone else?
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 6, 2016 13:12:46 GMT -5
You mean Needlepaw?
If so I hate her too
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Aug 6, 2016 13:19:48 GMT -5
She has a lot of potential. She can either be Thunderclan's greatest ally or greatest foe, and that all depends on how Alderpaw and everyone handles things.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Aug 6, 2016 13:23:50 GMT -5
She has only appeared in one book so far, meaning that there's plenty of character development that we have yet to see. I have a feeling Needlepaw will be a very different cat by the end of the series.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Aug 6, 2016 13:33:37 GMT -5
For some reason I get a huge vibe of her becoming a villain within the series. I don't really mind her--I think she's very different and has great potential.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Aug 6, 2016 20:26:01 GMT -5
She has yet to go through character development so I have yet to fully judge her, but handled correctly, she had the potential to make a great character.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 21:04:14 GMT -5
why does everyone hate needlepaw!? shes my new fave!
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Post by Alpha on Aug 6, 2016 21:09:45 GMT -5
I really don't like her. She's an idiot who pays no respect to the Warrior code.
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Needlepaw
Aug 7, 2016 0:07:54 GMT -5
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 7, 2016 0:07:54 GMT -5
You mean Needlepaw? If so I hate her too Yeah that was a typo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 0:18:46 GMT -5
I really like Needlepaw. She's rebellious and tbh I find that to be a good thing, because in Warriors, 90% of the she-cats are beautiful and sweet, with no character whatsoever, so it's nice to see a she cat who's different. Really? Because I'm pretty sure the majority of she-cats we know have been spunky, quirky, rebellious, or something other quality. Plus you can be beautiful and not necessarily be sweet, like Silverstream. Even Leafpool isn't necessarily sweet. She's been shown to be stubborn to a fault, and rebelled for a good half of TNP. She just controls her emotions better than most...well...at least for a while she did.
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Post by Sootfeather on Aug 7, 2016 12:37:03 GMT -5
I really like Needlepaw. She's rebellious and tbh I find that to be a good thing, because in Warriors, 90% of the she-cats are beautiful and sweet, with no character whatsoever, so it's nice to see a she cat who's different. Really? Because I'm pretty sure the majority of she-cats we know have been spunky, quirky, rebellious, or something other quality. Plus you can be beautiful and not necessarily be sweet, like Silverstream. Even Leafpool isn't necessarily sweet. She's been shown to be stubborn to a fault, and rebelled for a good half of TNP. She just controls her emotions better than most...well...at least for a while she did. But take a look at other shecats like Spottedleaf, for example. Even Silverstream is described as sweet and Leafpool has some sweet tendencies, though she is somewhat rebellious.
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Post by ❄️Raccoonstep❄️ on Aug 7, 2016 12:48:29 GMT -5
I just hate her.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 7, 2016 12:51:21 GMT -5
From what I know about her, I can't like her. I haven't read The Apprentice's Auest all the way through yet, but I do know the basics. Let's take a look, shall we?
From the very start, she was shown to be rude- she was insulting all of the Clans, including her own leader, at the Gathering. She has also been shown to be disobedient, following the ThunderClan cats out of their territory though she is under aged and had absolutely no call or reason to do so.
Finally, she is shown to not care as mush about the kits as Alderpaw does. She was willing to take them away from Lilyheart, who they had already bonded with, because she "helped find them," when in reality she had been wandering off in the opposite direction when Alderpaw found the kits. I understand that it was her idea to go into the tunnel, but she shouldn't have been on the quest in the first place, so Rowanstar certainly shouldn't take a disobedient apprentice that seriously (I've got a bone to pick with Rowanstar too, but that's another story). The bottom line is- she was willing to separate the kits for no real reason, apart from a debatable role in discovering them. Alderpaw felt sorry for the kits, and was angry about the leaders separating them. They would likely have stayed together if Needlepaw hadn't opened her mouth.
If you can't tell by this point... I don't like Needlepaw ;3
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 14:15:19 GMT -5
I really like Needlepaw. She's rebellious and tbh I find that to be a good thing, because in Warriors, 90% of the she-cats are beautiful and sweet, with no character whatsoever, so it's nice to see a she cat who's different. finally someone who gets why i love needlepaw
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 7, 2016 15:33:46 GMT -5
I don't know if it's just me having a thing for hot-headed, feisty she-cats (like Sandstorm and Squirrelflight for instance), but I really like Needlepaw. I find her to be interesting, but I also feel kinda bad for her since it's implied several times that she's lonely and really wants to help ShadowClan with the prophecy. And yeah, she's a bit rude and breaks the rules, but I personally like that about her and there are plenty of good things about her, too.
For example, when she first met Alderpaw and Sparkpaw, she beckoned them to join her and her friends and introduced them.
Her friendliness is shown again when she and her Clanmates encounter Alderpaw and Leafpool and she was shown to be impressed with Alderpaw becoming a medicine cat.
And while she shouldn't have gone on the journey in the first place, this did prove to be beneficial.
She helped save the traveling cats from foxes.
She brought back prey for the group and even offered to share with Alderpaw.
She volunteered to keep an eye out for any foxes.
She found a way to get over the fence.
She brought moss to Sandstorm.
She grieved for Sandstorm after she died.
She believed that the journey had to be completed, otherwise Sandstorm would've died in vain.
She encouraged Alderpaw to not give up after Sandstorm died and tell the others the truth of why they were on the journey in the first place.
She gave Alderpaw confidence after they hunted down a rabbit.
She defended Alderpaw from Sparkpaw.
She suggested talking to a kittypet to find out where the others were.
In her own way, she comforted Alderpaw after he was feeling sorry for himself.
She apologized for not listening to Alderpaw.
She also suggested in going under the Thunderpath after Alderpaw met up with Sandstorm again, which led to him finding the kits.
And yes, I know she wanted to take the kits. Now, I'm personally neutral on the topic. On one hand, Alderpaw was the one who found the kits and Violetkit and Twigkit were happy with Lilyheart. On the other hand, it was Needlepaw's own ingenuity that led Alderpaw to finding the kits and she thought that the kits were part of the prophecy. The prophecy that was meant for all four Clans.
Of course, it's not yet confirmed that the kits are part of the prophecy, but it's still a start. Plus, it's not like Violetkit is going to be mistreated or anything.
Honestly, I really don't think Needlepaw is all that bad. Sure, she has her bad moments, but she has plenty of good ones too. Besides, she's only appeared in one book so far.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 7, 2016 17:00:00 GMT -5
Moth, once again, you produce a great rant. I definitely see what you're coming from now, even though my opinion is unchanged.
As far as Violetkit goes, I really would love to see Needlepaw end up as an older-sisterly figure to her. I just hope the Erins don't give them a low level of interaction- or interaction where Needlepaw is rude to Violetkit. Like you said, she's only been in one book. I'll wait and see what happens, it's not like anything is set in stone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 19:30:07 GMT -5
Really? Because I'm pretty sure the majority of she-cats we know have been spunky, quirky, rebellious, or something other quality. Plus you can be beautiful and not necessarily be sweet, like Silverstream. Even Leafpool isn't necessarily sweet. She's been shown to be stubborn to a fault, and rebelled for a good half of TNP. She just controls her emotions better than most...well...at least for a while she did. But take a look at other shecats like Spottedleaf, for example. Even Silverstream is described as sweet and Leafpool has some sweet tendencies, though she is somewhat rebellious. I think sweet is actually a vague term to use. I think almost every character can be sweet, but it's not a defining term. Example: Squirrelflight can be sweet, but she can also be sassy, rash, ect. Sweet is a flexible term and on a case-by-case basis. I get what you're saying, but I think the term "sweet" isn't to be seen as mutually exclusive. You can be sweet, along with any other characteristic. Firestar, Bramblestar, Lionblaze, and many other cats can be sweet, but that's not how I'd solely define them. Unless you're using "sweet" as a term synonymous to an archetype known as "Nadeshiko Yamato", which is basically the ideal, pure, feminine beauty. Which, in that case, I'd argue that no cat could really be seen like that. Even Spottedleaf has been called out on her obsessive moments and tendencies, which ain't very pure. The closest I think we could categorize as said archetype could be the permanent queens, but even that's a stretch. They've been depicted as cranky (at times), harsh, feisty, nosy, and often snap at others, especially when it comes to kits. That's hardly filling the archetype.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 19:52:38 GMT -5
I cannot stand Needlepaw. Thanks to her, two kittens have been traumatized because of her disgusting pride.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 19:53:29 GMT -5
However, I will say I do find her personality rather interesting, much as I despise her.
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Post by Sootfeather on Aug 7, 2016 20:12:57 GMT -5
I cannot stand Needlepaw. Thanks to her, two kittens have been traumatized because of her disgusting pride. In her defense, Bramblestar/Rowanstar were also involved
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Post by Sootfeather on Aug 7, 2016 20:15:38 GMT -5
But take a look at other shecats like Spottedleaf, for example. Even Silverstream is described as sweet and Leafpool has some sweet tendencies, though she is somewhat rebellious. I think sweet is actually a vague term to use. I think almost every character can be sweet, but it's not a defining term. Example: Squirrelflight can be sweet, but she can also be sassy, rash, ect. Sweet is a flexible term and on a case-by-case basis. I get what you're saying, but I think the term "sweet" isn't to be seen as mutually exclusive. You can be sweet, along with any other characteristic. Firestar, Bramblestar, Lionblaze, and many other cats can be sweet, but that's not how I'd solely define them. Unless you're using "sweet" as a term synonymous to an archetype known as "Nadeshiko Yamato", which is basically the ideal, pure, feminine beauty. Which, in that case, I'd argue that no cat could really be seen like that. Even Spottedleaf has been called out on her obsessive moments and tendencies, which ain't very pure. The closest I think we could categorize as said archetype could be the permanent queens, but even that's a stretch. They've been depicted as cranky (at times), harsh, feisty, nosy, and often snap at others, especially when it comes to kits. That's hardly filling the archetype. I see what you're saying, but I'm referring to the characters who basically exist just to be nice and welcoming like Whitewing, Sorreltail, Echomist, Brambleberry, etc. Even Sandstorm can be put into this category for most of the series because she was shown to be nothing but kind and motherly without other interesting perks.
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Post by SilverHailstorm on Aug 7, 2016 20:19:29 GMT -5
I can't judge Needlepaw fairly as she has not seen enough light of day. However, from what I have seen she is tolerable. She's not exactly the most polite (I don't want another "sweet she-cat," or anything, just someone who has some manners) but she seems to be intelligent in terms of knowledge when it comes to being sly, getting out of rough situations and rational thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 20:42:18 GMT -5
I just feel like this whole kit separation thing is sinking too many characters into the endless pit of eternal hatred, and though I understood it at first... it's kinda getting lame and overused. It's the first book o.o" I get the whole thing was bad- and maybe atrocious for some people, but I honestly think we're getting off and the wrong foot with some of these characters- and so early in the series. So much needless hatred when she could end up being one of the Erins best characters. We just don't know yet.
I think Needlepaw needs more time- and I'm not saying people should believe she'll be awesome one day, cause that might not happen of course, but I still think we should have more evidence on the table before announcing the jury verdict here xD
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Post by SilverHailstorm on Aug 7, 2016 20:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 21:36:15 GMT -5
Hah! Nope XD but that's quite funny, nice spotting that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 23:31:38 GMT -5
I cannot stand Needlepaw. Thanks to her, two kittens have been traumatized because of her disgusting pride. In her defense, Bramblestar/Rowanstar were also involved I hate Bramblestar and Rowanstar too. Bramblestar the most. He of all cats should understand how it feels to be separated by their sibling, but he couldn't swallow up his pride and let Twigkit stay in Thunderclan with his sister
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 23:48:06 GMT -5
I don't like her either.
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Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Aug 8, 2016 9:04:08 GMT -5
In her defense, Bramblestar/Rowanstar were also involved I hate Bramblestar and Rowanstar too. Bramblestar the most. He of all cats should understand how it feels to be separated by their sibling, but he couldn't swallow up his pride and let Twigkit stay in Thunderclan with his sister Makes sense.
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