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Post by Tas on Apr 16, 2017 20:04:48 GMT -5
So, you know that tradition where apprentices would go to the Moonstone with their leaders? Well, the whole reason they don't do that with the Moonpool is because the lake territories are so much bigger than the forest, and it takes too long to travel there. That makes sense, since it's cats walking around a whole lake.
In Shattered Sky, they travel from RiverClan to ThunderClan and vice versa a lot. Really fast. Opinions?
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Post by ssquiffy on Apr 18, 2017 11:57:54 GMT -5
they just run. really fast. really, its not really that big of a deal (but i do have my expectations pretty low for this series now so ymmv). it would be pretty boring if every journey from thunderclan to riverclan was described fully. "cats walking back and forth" is not an exciting story
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Post by Tas on Apr 18, 2017 15:23:31 GMT -5
No, but it would still take a lot longer realistically than they convey. It's a human-sized lake, so why does it take half an hour to get around it?
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Post by Alpha on Apr 18, 2017 16:30:30 GMT -5
No, it's shorter or about the same length-- I assure you. It's just because going to the moonpool has no plot value in the modern books.
The Clan's territories are really small.
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Post by Tas on Apr 19, 2017 17:06:24 GMT -5
Well, yes, obviously - they're cats, but I really thought the lake territories were bigger than the forest. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by snowfoot on Jun 13, 2017 9:45:53 GMT -5
I've always wondered this as well? I never really understood why the Erins dropped things like the trips to moonstone and the traditional naming system..
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Post by tiger beetle on Jun 15, 2017 20:43:25 GMT -5
The ease of travel to RiverClan in previous books (Hollyleaf makes it as an apprentice) and to the Gathering island (they leave when it's already getting dark) actually suggests that the territories are much smaller at the lake than they were in the forest, even though it would make sense for the opposite to be true
(unless it has been stated that they lake territories are larger)
(consider that Bluestar and Firepaw have to eat traveling herbs to go to the Moonstone while she is still ostensibly healthy and still have to rest at Barley's barn, while Hollypaw can disappear off to the RiverClan camp and return without any real difficulty in the travel itself)
also, I thought the exploring patrol in TNP (Mistystar and the cats from the journey) circled the whole lake in a day, and that included traveling to multiple camps through unfamiliar territory
like you said, it would make sense for the new territories to be larger, considering you'd think they'd want territory at least as large as what they had back in the forest, plus the big lake in the middle…but the books seem to have been treating the lake territories as smaller, probably just to facilitate travel between Clans within the plot
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Post by snowfoot on Jun 16, 2017 2:29:41 GMT -5
The ease of travel to RiverClan in previous books (Hollyleaf makes it as an apprentice) and to the Gathering island (they leave when it's already getting dark) actually suggests that the territories are much smaller at the lake than they were in the forest, even though it would make sense for the opposite to be true (unless it has been stated that they lake territories are larger) (consider that Bluestar and Firepaw have to eat traveling herbs to go to the Moonstone while she is still ostensibly healthy and still have to rest at Barley's barn, while Hollypaw can disappear off to the RiverClan camp and return without any real difficulty in the travel itself) also, I thought the exploring patrol in TNP (Mistystar and the cats from the journey) circled the whole lake in a day, and that included traveling to multiple camps through unfamiliar territory like you said, it would make sense for the new territories to be larger, considering you'd think they'd want territory at least as large as what they had back in the forest, plus the big lake in the middle…but the books seem to have been treating the lake territories as smaller, probably just to facilitate travel between Clans within the plot I'm pretty sure it took them two days to explore the lake territories initially, and that included finding camps for every clan (except maybe Windclan? Maybe?) So theoretically,if they were to gun it around the lake at full speed it would still take a few hours i think?
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Post by tiger beetle on Jun 16, 2017 16:31:54 GMT -5
The ease of travel to RiverClan in previous books (Hollyleaf makes it as an apprentice) and to the Gathering island (they leave when it's already getting dark) actually suggests that the territories are much smaller at the lake than they were in the forest, even though it would make sense for the opposite to be true (unless it has been stated that they lake territories are larger) (consider that Bluestar and Firepaw have to eat traveling herbs to go to the Moonstone while she is still ostensibly healthy and still have to rest at Barley's barn, while Hollypaw can disappear off to the RiverClan camp and return without any real difficulty in the travel itself) also, I thought the exploring patrol in TNP (Mistystar and the cats from the journey) circled the whole lake in a day, and that included traveling to multiple camps through unfamiliar territory like you said, it would make sense for the new territories to be larger, considering you'd think they'd want territory at least as large as what they had back in the forest, plus the big lake in the middle…but the books seem to have been treating the lake territories as smaller, probably just to facilitate travel between Clans within the plot I'm pretty sure it took them two days to explore the lake territories initially, and that included finding camps for every clan (except maybe Windclan? Maybe?) So theoretically,if they were to gun it around the lake at full speed it would still take a few hours i think? ah okay never mind that part
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Post by smilii on Jun 17, 2017 5:56:35 GMT -5
I'm thinking that the territories are smaller, perhaps? Also, maybe the newer generations are just used to this whole walking thing lol.
Speaking as a not-very-sporty Twoleg who hikes occasionally, I could probably get around a small lake in about a day, so I don't see why cats (which go faster than me anyway, plus live in the wild full-time, plus train and patrol often, plus know the way and don't need to stop to read a map, plus can skirt close to the edge of the lake and take shortcuts that Twolegs probably couldn't, plus are in a hurry) shouldn't get there faster.
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