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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 27, 2017 16:05:26 GMT -5
Considering what happened in ShadowClan, I'm wondering what kind of punishments the cats will receive. Hopefully the apprentices and new warriors will be demoted for a few moons and have sense knocked into their brains. (Not literally.) It won't matter of they were manipulated, as some form of punishment happens to a Clan that has done something wrong. In all honesty, all the ShadowClan cats should be punished in some shape or form.
Relating to Violetpaw and past abuse victims, their abusers have meet some kinda of punishment via karma while they themselves have meet punishment for their poor choices relating to the abuse they received. Needletail will not receive some kind of punishment directly from the Clan for abusing Violetpaw. If anything, she'll be punished for her paw in Darktail taking over. Lizardtail, Rainflower, Nightcloud, Millie, Crowfeather, Mapleshade, Hawkfrost all got away with their manipulation and/or abuse regarding the laws of the Clan. While karma may punish them, their victims have been punished either by karma and/or law due to their choices because of the abuse. Ivypool, Crookedstar, Brokenstar, Breezepelt, and Blossomfall have been punished by both or one. This leads me to believe that Violetpaw will follow suit because of her poor choices. This will probably anger people, but it's partially rightfully so imo.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 27, 2017 22:27:10 GMT -5
The only cat that honestly, imo, shouldn't be punished, is Violetpaw, as of right now though, since she's still young, and still an apprentice, and she's practically been tossed around all her life, not to mention she's still being manipulated and abused by Needletail. I just pray to StarClan she'll realize Needle isn't good for her and leave her once and for all...their relationship reminds me of Rapunzel and Mother Gothel, it's so cringy.
However cats old enough to know what they're doing is wrong, are native to the clans and were raised along side the warrior code, should definitely be punished. Demoted for sure too.
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Post by Gяαч Sкч on Mar 28, 2017 1:33:12 GMT -5
I think Violetpaw, Puddleshine, Dawnpelt, and a couple others should get to stay ShadowClan while everyone else is killed or exiled. All of Darktail's supporters deserve to be kicked out for mutiny. They clearly don't like living in a Clan, so why should they be allowed to? Kick them out and they can get what they wanted all along. And if they change their mind, well that's too bad. They made their choices long ago
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 28, 2017 2:53:25 GMT -5
Exile for the majority of the Clans will be difficult. I see SkyClan being small already and if there are only a few members left for ShadowClan, I see WindClan and RiverClan wanting the two to merge or something.
Violetpaw may have been manipulated, but you can also argue that the other cats are being manipulated as well. Many of the cats under Brokenstar's reign were manipulated by him and their punishment still lasted a while. The manipulation and abuse thing can only go on so far, especially within the Clans. Crowfeather and Nightcloud, along with Lizardtail and Rainflower faced no Clan law actions against them. This gives me little reason to believe that Violetpaw will get off scott-free just because of the treatment she endured. Demotion isn't that big of a deal in Violetpaw's case. She's probably already behind on actual training. If anything, making her train harder and longer may be worse on her. As for the newly made warriors, it makes a lot of sense. For previous warriors, they will probably have to hunt their flanks off to be able to even get close to Rowanstar's good graces.
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Post by Tas on Mar 28, 2017 6:52:35 GMT -5
It's been a while since I read Thunder and Shadow; what is this thread talking about?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 28, 2017 21:00:29 GMT -5
Exile for the majority of the Clans will be difficult. I see SkyClan being small already and if there are only a few members left for ShadowClan, I see WindClan and RiverClan wanting the two to merge or something.
Violetpaw may have been manipulated, but you can also argue that the other cats are being manipulated as well. Many of the cats under Brokenstar's reign were manipulated by him and their punishment still lasted a while. The manipulation and abuse thing can only go on so far, especially within the Clans. Crowfeather and Nightcloud, along with Lizardtail and Rainflower faced no Clan law actions against them. This gives me little reason to believe that Violetpaw will get off scott-free just because of the treatment she endured. Demotion isn't that big of a deal in Violetpaw's case. She's probably already behind on actual training. If anything, making her train harder and longer may be worse on her. As for the newly made warriors, it makes a lot of sense. For previous warriors, they will probably have to hunt their flanks off to be able to even get close to Rowanstar's good graces. But it's not Darktail that's manipulating Violetpaw.
It's Needletail, there is a difference. Also you're comparing cats that were born into the clans, raised around the code all their life, to a kit that was only brought there for the purpose of the prohecy and was handed around like some trophy. Even older cats were turning against Rowanstar in favor of Darktail, what about them? Violetpaw was going to follow after Rowan, on her own until Needletail convinced her to stay.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 29, 2017 0:38:51 GMT -5
Still, you can argue ShadowClan is being manipulated. Either way they will face some kind of punishment and rightfully so since they are repeating their history. I don't know what they will do about the older cats, as a punishment for them is a bit more difficult. Dawnpelt only stayed on the accord of her kits and she'll probably be punished. It's a common pattern, so there really isn't any debate about it. Any cats who have been manipulated before faced some kind of consequence for their actions resulting from that manipulation. I highly doubt Violetpaw escapes this.
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Post by Armageddidn't on Mar 29, 2017 1:02:31 GMT -5
This is a good point. I'm reading the books out of order, so this is good to know. Thanks!
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Post by Owlmoon on Mar 29, 2017 17:32:33 GMT -5
Armageddidn't , I'd be interested in reading your fan fic. The only one who deosn't deserve to be demoted is Violetpaw. All of the rogues should be demoted.
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Post by Tas on Mar 29, 2017 17:55:49 GMT -5
ShadowClan is gonna be in being trouble for clearly not learning ANYTHING from the Sol incident? I mean really.
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Post by Moonblazer on Mar 29, 2017 18:02:04 GMT -5
It kinda sickens me to see just how many cats turned like that. I mean geez, if I saw a cat tearing out eyes, I'd be a little weary.
Hope Darktail dies horribly, and I mean horribly, and that Violetpaw finally has some safety and love. Needletail is trash and so are the other rouges, cept maybe Nettle.
On the basis of punishment, I hope they understand what loyalty is again and follow Rowanstar. Compared to many other leaders, idiot cats, Rowanstar is not bad. Once minds are changed, I hope things smooth out. Poor Shadowclan, I'm so fed up with them suffering like this...
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