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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 19, 2017 3:11:58 GMT -5
So, regarding the recent Crowfeather and Nightcloud discussions, I decided to ask if Crowfeather was forced to take a mate from his own Clan after the whole "running away" incident and short answer, he wasn't. The entire thing was his idea and his alone.
I am curious where it even suggests that Crowfeather was forced to take mate from his own Clan, though. I think I remember it hearing it a few times before too.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 19, 2017 4:18:16 GMT -5
Thank you!
Also, which Erin did you ask, or was it Su?
And if you're wondering, that whole "forced" thing started from TUG.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 19, 2017 4:21:45 GMT -5
It came from Su's mouth. I take everything she says with a grain of salt. Until one of the actual authors answers or it's clearly stated in a book, I'm not buying it.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 19, 2017 4:33:41 GMT -5
It came from Su's mouth. I take everything she says with a grain of salt. Until one of the actual authors answers or it's clearly stated in a book, I'm not buying it. You do know that Su is Vicky's helper right? If anything, when it comes to the Erins Vicky seems to have the most say in what's right and wrong. And Vicky gave Su permission to reveal certain information concerning with the series. The official wikia is even now adding her information to the site, and without her help there'd be a lot more gaps than there was before. If you don't accept what she says now, about Nightcloud, that's fine, but that also mean you wouldn't accept any other information she ever says either, even though it's approved by Vicky.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 19, 2017 4:35:24 GMT -5
But hey, if you want to hear from Vicky herself, why not just ask her on her FB page.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 19, 2017 5:12:34 GMT -5
It came from Su's mouth. I take everything she says with a grain of salt. Until one of the actual authors answers or it's clearly stated in a book, I'm not buying it. You do know that Su is Vicky's helper right? If anything, when it comes to the Erins Vicky seems to have the most say in what's right and wrong. And Vicky gave Su permission to reveal certain information concerning with the series. The official wikia is even now adding her information to the site, and without her help there'd be a lot more gaps than there was before. If you don't accept what she says now, about Nightcloud, that's fine, but that also mean you wouldn't accept any other information she ever says either, even though it's approved by Vicky. I am aware and I'm not a fan of a fan helping her. If I see Vicky commenting on the information herself, I'll believe, but different instances? No. The question was asked on her page. If Vicky herself comments so, then I'l believe it. I don't get why you have to get on my case about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 5:21:42 GMT -5
Mapleshade made him do it
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 19, 2017 7:22:18 GMT -5
You do know that Su is Vicky's helper right? If anything, when it comes to the Erins Vicky seems to have the most say in what's right and wrong. And Vicky gave Su permission to reveal certain information concerning with the series. The official wikia is even now adding her information to the site, and without her help there'd be a lot more gaps than there was before. If you don't accept what she says now, about Nightcloud, that's fine, but that also mean you wouldn't accept any other information she ever says either, even though it's approved by Vicky. I am aware and I'm not a fan of a fan helping her. If I see Vicky commenting on the information herself, I'll believe, but different instances? No. The question was asked on her page. If Vicky herself comments so, then I'l believe it. I don't get why you have to get on my case about it. But Vicky already talked about Su, the wikia mods discussed the whole thing as well. Vicky said what Su says goes unless she herself disagrees with it. Su is her personal Q&A-er, she even helps her editors revise her work, and is involved with Pinestar's Choice. Just because she doubles as a fan of the series, doesn't negate her answers, it's considered canon unless stated otherwise by an Erin through contradiction afterward. Vicky won't comment on it unless it's wrong information. And Vicky does indeed read her page, as confirmed by Vicky herself on her FB, and Su herself on her discussion with the wikia mods. And how exactly am I getting on your case about it? If you feel that way about it, sorry, cause that wasn't even my intention. I did thought this was a forum for discussion.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 19, 2017 7:34:03 GMT -5
On another note, I thought this information was already obvious enough from the start. I was never really a fan of TUG because of how inconsistent it was and how poorly written is was as well. They phrased Crowfeather coming to the conclusion that he'd need a mate to look good as being "forced" to do so. Which honestly made no sense to me. As confirmed, he acted alone, and came up with it on his own, it was his own assumptions that led him to do what he did. He probably went to Nightcloud because she was the only other available single she-cat in the clan, Whitetail who is also listed in the allegiances is mates with Onestar.
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Post by Owlmoon on Feb 19, 2017 16:10:32 GMT -5
Crowfeather willingly offered/volunteered/wanted to be Nightcloud's mate to get his warrior position back. Nightcloud willingly accepted. Nobody was forced to do anything
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Post by Dawnrise on Feb 21, 2017 11:30:44 GMT -5
I think some people meant more that he felt forced because he had some pressure from his Clanmates that he was unloyal or something like that.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 21, 2017 21:49:16 GMT -5
I think some people meant more that he felt forced because he had some pressure from his Clanmates that he was unloyal or something like that. Peer pressure doesn't force people to do anything though. In the end its still your own choice. Just like how Dovewing didn't have to get with Bumblestripe, Crowfeather didn't have to use Nightcloud.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 23, 2017 22:17:09 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by Ligerfrost on Feb 24, 2017 8:11:49 GMT -5
Actually it was Vicky who said he was forced. Every thing else mentions that he took her as a mate because he thought it was the only way to regain is Clans loyalty.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:13:24 GMT -5
I feel like he forced himself into it, no other was forcing him... but he forced himself. Kinda like he was telling himself if he doesn't he won't ever redeem himself. THIS. this is what i am thinking too. windclan is just the worst clan. not even shadowclan has culture/customs that make someone feel THIS pressured just to prove loyalty or "redeem" themselves.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 25, 2017 6:48:20 GMT -5
I feel like he forced himself into it, no other was forcing him... but he forced himself. Kinda like he was telling himself if he doesn't he won't ever redeem himself. Now this I can accept. I can picture that he probably thought it was his best shot in getting back his clan's trust after a suspicious scandal. What better way to make them divert their attention by getting a mate in WindClan so they wouldn't think that anything happened between him and Leafpool? Even Nightcloud would have probably fallen for it too, because to probably her and the rest of the clan, it wouldn't make sense to suddenly take a mate if they were apparently in love with another cat? But it was just a ruse, to make him look loyal, talk about manipulative.
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