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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 1, 2016 20:10:32 GMT -5
It's possible, but if this does happen, I see it more as a temporary thing until SkyClan gets another medicine cat or Frecklewish and/or Fidgetpaw somehow returns. I just can't see Alderheart leaving his parents and sister for good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 20:23:11 GMT -5
Leafpool needs to go. She can either be SkyClan's medicine cat or the Erins kill her off. ThunderClan doesn't need three medicine cats, that's just author favoritism at this point, especially if Spottedpaw had to wait to get to become a medicine cat.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Dec 1, 2016 21:42:48 GMT -5
I don't really see the problem with three medicine cats. Sure it doesn't happen that often and it is more traditional to only have two, but after Firestar, many old traditions, especially ones that Firestar didn't see, faded. Another example of this would be renaming the elders to something like Halftail and One-eye. The journey to the lake also caused traditions such as apprentices visiting the moonstone to vanish. Bramblestar doesn't know about the old dilemmas of there being more than two medicine cats so it doesn't occur to him that that would be a problem since most of his life was under Firestar's leadership (with Bluestar being crazy and all).
I don't really see Alderheart going to SkyClan permanently. It makes more sense for him or Leafpool to go there to train an apprentice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 22:33:08 GMT -5
Not sure tbh. Imo Alderpaw seems too attached to ThunderClan to leave- so it he does go over there then it'd be probably temporary- Leafpool would be an obvious choice since she helped ShadowClan, so she'd probably be more than willing to help SkyClan too- but she's getting old and is due to retire by the end of the series, so she too could be temporary. Jayfeather is well... Jayfeather and probably won't be running off to another clan anytime soon.
The only thing that I can think of is Twigpaw. If it's true that she's interested in medicine, maybe when she finds out that (though this hasn't been confirmed but implied) SkyClan is her birthclan, she might be motivated to pursue becoming a medicine cat and go live with them. But who knows, for all we know she might be strictly loyal to ThunderClan by then and won't leave.
So for me, it's too early to tell.
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Post by Alpha on Dec 1, 2016 23:04:41 GMT -5
What if it was Jayfeather?
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Dec 2, 2016 0:00:11 GMT -5
Jayfeather as Skyclan medicine cat, or dying?
And when was there a problem with having more than two medicine cats before Bramblestar was born? I don't ever recall that being a problem in the series, only with some Clans being left without a medicine cat...
And as much as Alderheart is loyal to Thunderclan, he's also connected to Skyclan, so I could see him joining them... Even if Fidgetpaw returns or Twigpaw decides to become a medicine cat, they are both half trained, and they need a full one to help. Skyclan currently doesn't have a full medicine cat, so they need someone from another Clan to help, regardless of whether they stay.
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Post by Brambleshadow on Jan 15, 2017 23:05:45 GMT -5
What if it was Jayfeather? Jayfeather as SkyClan's medicine cat would be hilarious, tbh.
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Post by EthanTheAnnus on Jan 15, 2017 23:09:41 GMT -5
Hahahahaha I just thought what if Needletail became a med cat hahahaha
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Post by Dawnrise on Jan 16, 2017 14:30:15 GMT -5
I feel like the Erins are setting AVOS up so that Alderheart can go to SkyClan. It makes more sense than Leafpool or Jayfeather leaving ThunderClan.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jan 16, 2017 14:33:24 GMT -5
Yes, I see it that way too…
And I feel like Jayfeather is the more likely one to die… Leafpool is older sure, but Jayfeather is also blind and without his powers… If he gets caught up in a huge battle again, it's likely he will not survive… Not to mention he was a major character for two whole arcs, and he trained up an apprentice… I feel like he served his purpose…
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 17, 2017 0:20:51 GMT -5
Leafpool needs to go. She can either be SkyClan's medicine cat or the Erins kill her off. ThunderClan doesn't need three medicine cats, that's just author favoritism at this point, especially if Spottedpaw had to wait to get to become a medicine cat. I really want Leafpool not to become involved with SkyClan much tbh. I want Alderheart to be the one that goes to them, because it is his prophecy and Leadpool's time in the spotlight is over.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 17, 2017 0:24:19 GMT -5
Yes, I see it that way too… And I feel like Jayfeather is the more likely one to die… Leafpool is older sure, but Jayfeather is also blind and without his powers… If he gets caught up in a huge battle again, it's likely he will not survive… Not to mention he was a major character for two whole arcs, and he trained up an apprentice… I feel like he served his purpose… Couldn't the same be said for Leafpool though? She doesn't do well in the fighting category. And considering Jayfeather suvived the DF battle, I doubt he wouldn't be able to survive many other battles to come. It doesn't make sense to kill of a younger gen meddie when they just did this, Flametail, which is why there's all this drama in the first place. It would just be a repeated tactic in the plot. It would make more sense to kill off a more major and older character, like Leafpool, or even Squirrelflight, one of Firestar's daughter. This is would be an indication to the reader that the next generation, after the first, has past it's peak. Especially since Sandstorm died not to long back, but she was already terribly old. The same can even be said for Bramblestar's age, or Mistystar and Onestar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 6:20:39 GMT -5
Like what Maplefrost said. Its a generation coming after generation. The whole Flametail dying made no sense to me as he was younger. In fact it would have made more sense to kill Blackstar that way or even Littlecloud.
While the leaders are very old. Im hoping a new generation with cats younger comes to leading. We obviously know Ivypool is deputy material and as Maplefrost said they would be preparing to kill Squirrelflight or Leafpool.
It wouldn't make any sense for Squirrelstar to happen. That would be like politics with Donald Trump these days. History just repeating itself. Im hoping Squirrelflight dies at the end of the series.
As for Leafpool she will retire soon enough and they will finally rest the Firestar bloodline and focus on Twigpaw//Voiletpaws family. If there parents are Pebbleshine and Hawkwing that is.
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Post by Alpha on Jan 17, 2017 8:22:38 GMT -5
What if it was Jayfeather? Jayfeather as SkyClan's medicine cat would be hilarious, tbh. I could imagine Jayfeather tumbling around in a unfamiliar territory and camp.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 17, 2017 14:28:02 GMT -5
Like what Maplefrost said. Its a generation coming after generation. The whole Flametail dying made no sense to me as he was younger. In fact it would have made more sense to kill Blackstar that way or even Littlecloud. While the leaders are very old. Im hoping a new generation with cats younger comes to leading. We obviously know Ivypool is deputy material and as Maplefrost said they would be preparing to kill Squirrelflight or Leafpool. It wouldn't make any sense for Squirrelstar to happen. That would be like politics with Donald Trump these days. History just repeating itself. Im hoping Squirrelflight dies at the end of the series. As for Leafpool she will retire soon enough and they will finally rest the Firestar bloodline and focus on Twigpaw//Voiletpaws family. If there parents are Pebbleshine and Hawkwing that is. I also feel like the Erins are trying too hard to cling to the older gen cats. Making Bramblestar leader despite being so old, appointing Squirrelflight as deputy, when Squirrelstar obviously won't happen. Even with the Erins making Thornclaw mates with Blossomfall, I get cats don't care about age, but making them mates is like an excuse to keep Thornclaw around longer. By making him the mates with a more younger gen cat, so they have kits, etc. Even when the Erins decided to kill off a TON of younger gen cats over the course of the final battle, sickness, and the flood, even in the time skips, they just kill them off. Knowing that there is enough younger cats to put the older cats out of the job, the Erins decide to chop their characters instead, to keep the older ones. But when the plotline courses this long, and a cat like Firestar even bites the dust, you won't be able to pull the curtain over the audience's eyes anymore. Hence Dustpelt dying in BrS, then Sandstorm following this, etc. And now with three medicine cats, ages being noted, it's seems that the Erins are still on the fence with who to keep and who to get rid of.
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Post by Brambleshadow on Jan 17, 2017 14:33:29 GMT -5
Jayfeather as SkyClan's medicine cat would be hilarious, tbh. I could imagine Jayfeather tumbling around in a unfamiliar territory and camp. And since Jayfeather is... well, Jayfeather... I feel like SkyClan wouldn't quite know how to react to him.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jan 17, 2017 19:20:56 GMT -5
Like what Maplefrost said. Its a generation coming after generation. The whole Flametail dying made no sense to me as he was younger. In fact it would have made more sense to kill Blackstar that way or even Littlecloud. While the leaders are very old. Im hoping a new generation with cats younger comes to leading. We obviously know Ivypool is deputy material and as Maplefrost said they would be preparing to kill Squirrelflight or Leafpool. It wouldn't make any sense for Squirrelstar to happen. That would be like politics with Donald Trump these days. History just repeating itself. Im hoping Squirrelflight dies at the end of the series. As for Leafpool she will retire soon enough and they will finally rest the Firestar bloodline and focus on Twigpaw//Voiletpaws family. If there parents are Pebbleshine and Hawkwing that is. I also feel like the Erins are trying too hard to cling to the older gen cats. Making Bramblestar leader despite being so old, appointing Squirrelflight as deputy, when Squirrelstar obviously won't happen. Even with the Erins making Thornclaw mates with Blossomfall, I get cats don't care about age, but making them mates is like an excuse to keep Thornclaw around longer. By making him the mates with a more younger gen cat, so they have kits, etc. Even when the Erins decided to kill off a TON of younger gen cats over the course of the final battle, sickness, and the flood, even in the time skips, they just kill them off. Knowing that there is enough younger cats to put the older cats out of the job, the Erins decide to chop their characters instead, to keep the older ones. But when the plotline courses this long, and a cat like Firestar even bites the dust, you won't be able to pull the curtain over the audience's eyes anymore. Hence Dustpelt dying in BrS, then Sandstorm following this, etc. And now with three medicine cats, ages being noted, it's seems that the Erins are still on the fence with who to keep and who to get rid of. I understand where the Erins are coming from though. The older characters are likely to be more developed, and the audience is more likely to grow attached to them. This can even happen with the authors, because they character has come full circle and has lived to see so much… I can completely understand why they killed off younger characters, because it has less of an emotional impact for them, and for the audience. Also, I wonder if they are saving all of the emotional impact for the Shattered Sky and the Darkest Night. We already know they're going to be dark books, and that several characters are old enough to die easily… It would be the perfect way to shock audiences by killing off several the characters they’ve come to know so well… As for Firestar’s generation, I doubt they'll get rid of it after focusing on it for so long. Lionblaze and Cinderheart are still around. Sparkpelt and Alderheart are very young cats (although the latter would have to get into a forbidden love relationship in order to continue the bloodline). There's also Brightheart’s second litter, and if you want to think distant relationships, Dovewing and Ivypool. So there's still plenty of material for Firestar’s line to continue… And I'm not sure why they would focus on Twigpaw and Violetpaw after them becoming important so suddenly… They've only been important for two books so far, while Firestar’s line has lasted the entire series…
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 20:00:10 GMT -5
Because almost all the fandom is bored with Firstar // Thunderclan in general besides Ivypool (( Who seems to be popular in the fandom )). I think that they started focusing on Voilet and Twig because they became more important. Plus they seperated them just to make more POVS which is warriors needed. Now we have Voiletpaw in Shadowclan who can tell us the exact expierance right infront of her eyes instead of her telling it to someone else:
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 17, 2017 22:26:59 GMT -5
I also feel like the Erins are trying too hard to cling to the older gen cats. Making Bramblestar leader despite being so old, appointing Squirrelflight as deputy, when Squirrelstar obviously won't happen. Even with the Erins making Thornclaw mates with Blossomfall, I get cats don't care about age, but making them mates is like an excuse to keep Thornclaw around longer. By making him the mates with a more younger gen cat, so they have kits, etc. Even when the Erins decided to kill off a TON of younger gen cats over the course of the final battle, sickness, and the flood, even in the time skips, they just kill them off. Knowing that there is enough younger cats to put the older cats out of the job, the Erins decide to chop their characters instead, to keep the older ones. But when the plotline courses this long, and a cat like Firestar even bites the dust, you won't be able to pull the curtain over the audience's eyes anymore. Hence Dustpelt dying in BrS, then Sandstorm following this, etc. And now with three medicine cats, ages being noted, it's seems that the Erins are still on the fence with who to keep and who to get rid of. I understand where the Erins are coming from though. The older characters are likely to be more developed, and the audience is more likely to grow attached to them. This can even happen with the authors, because they character has come full circle and has lived to see so much… I can completely understand why they killed off younger characters, because it has less of an emotional impact for them, and for the audience. Also, I wonder if they are saving all of the emotional impact for the Shattered Sky and the Darkest Night. We already know they're going to be dark books, and that several characters are old enough to die easily… It would be the perfect way to shock audiences by killing off several the characters they’ve come to know so well… As for Firestar’s generation, I doubt they'll get rid of it after focusing on it for so long. Lionblaze and Cinderheart are still around. Sparkpelt and Alderheart are very young cats (although the latter would have to get into a forbidden love relationship in order to continue the bloodline). There's also Brightheart’s second litter, and if you want to think distant relationships, Dovewing and Ivypool. So there's still plenty of material for Firestar’s line to continue… And I'm not sure why they would focus on Twigpaw and Violetpaw after them becoming important so suddenly… They've only been important for two books so far, while Firestar’s line has lasted the entire series… But they are cutting themselves off at the knees by killing off all of the younger characters. The younger characters are the ones who are going to have the next generation to keep the Clan going. From TS to TAS they've killed off several dozen cats, most of them in their prime kit bearing age. That creates a serious bottleneck effect where most of the upcoming generation is going to be more closely related than ever.
I love the old characters as much as anyone else, but killing off much younger warriors while keeping them alive AND having them continue warriors duties is beyond illogical. It is favoritism at its worst.
As for the switch in focus, it's pretty clear why they did it. Violetpaw and Twigpaw are somehow related to SkyClan and they are going to be the SkyClan POVs in the series. I know we don't have official confirmation yet, but it's pretty clear what their plan is. And I highly doubt Firestar's family is in any danger. Favoritism will keep most of them going into their golden years and killing them all off would be killing off half of the Clan, which would only worsen the bottleneck effect.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Jan 18, 2017 13:20:06 GMT -5
I understand where the Erins are coming from though. The older characters are likely to be more developed, and the audience is more likely to grow attached to them. This can even happen with the authors, because they character has come full circle and has lived to see so much… I can completely understand why they killed off younger characters, because it has less of an emotional impact for them, and for the audience. Also, I wonder if they are saving all of the emotional impact for the Shattered Sky and the Darkest Night. We already know they're going to be dark books, and that several characters are old enough to die easily… It would be the perfect way to shock audiences by killing off several the characters they’ve come to know so well… As for Firestar’s generation, I doubt they'll get rid of it after focusing on it for so long. Lionblaze and Cinderheart are still around. Sparkpelt and Alderheart are very young cats (although the latter would have to get into a forbidden love relationship in order to continue the bloodline). There's also Brightheart’s second litter, and if you want to think distant relationships, Dovewing and Ivypool. So there's still plenty of material for Firestar’s line to continue… And I'm not sure why they would focus on Twigpaw and Violetpaw after them becoming important so suddenly… They've only been important for two books so far, while Firestar’s line has lasted the entire series… But they are cutting themselves off at the knees by killing off all of the younger characters. The younger characters are the ones who are going to have the next generation to keep the Clan going. From TS to TAS they've killed off several dozen cats, most of them in their prime kit bearing age. That creates a serious bottleneck effect where most of the upcoming generation is going to be more closely related than ever.
I love the old characters as much as anyone else, but killing off much younger warriors while keeping them alive AND having them continue warriors duties is beyond illogical. It is favoritism at its worst.
As for the switch in focus, it's pretty clear why they did it. Violetpaw and Twigpaw are somehow related to SkyClan and they are going to be the SkyClan POVs in the series. I know we don't have official confirmation yet, but it's pretty clear what their plan is. And I highly doubt Firestar's family is in any danger. Favoritism will keep most of them going into their golden years and killing them all off would be killing off half of the Clan, which would only worsen the bottleneck effect.
What if this bottleneck effect as part of the plot though? The older generation is still alive, but the younger ones are dying off, so the Clans have a shortage of kits, and have to work together to rebuild… Seeing as the chance of the Clans unifying is possible with the way the plot is going, this might be likely. And if that happens, there will be less cats related to each other. Even with the Clan cats being closely related, since when has that ever stopped the Erins? Relationships that are close to each other have gone as far back as the first series, so I doubt this'll be anything new. And, on top of that, the Erins have yet to show the consequences of relationships that are close, and seeing as inbreeding is probably a topic that don't want to get into a young adult book, they probably won't.
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