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Post by leafbush! on Aug 14, 2025 9:46:31 GMT -5
so recently I was rereading AVoS and I forgot about this page but uh… I’ll just put it here "About SkyClan."
Sparkpelt turned her gaze back to Bramblestar.
"Let's hope they decide to do the right thing."
"What is the right thing?" Alderheart tried to sound
casual.
"The right thing is for the real Clans to carry on
living the way they've always lived."
"The real Clans?"
"You know. Us and ShadowClan and RiverClan and WindClan. The Clans that have always lived beside the lake."
"Not SkyClan?" Alderheart fur prickled with
alarm.
"This isn't their home. It never has been."
Sparkpelt sounded matter-of-fact.
Alderheart swallowed. "Then what do you think should happen to them?" He was scared of her
answer.
She glanced at him, her eyes sharp. "They should
go back where they came from."
Alderheart could hardly believe his ears.
"Darktail has left the gorge now," she went on.
"They can go back to their proper home." The clans being unnecessarily unfair to new cats is canon… they do this all the time, from kitty-pets to loners and now Skyclan 😭 |
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Post by pouetfairy on Aug 14, 2025 9:57:51 GMT -5
Actually, I find it very interesting that Firestar's own granddaughter is hostile to the arrival of the Clan he helped reform. This makes Sparkpelt really interesting to me!
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Demiromantic
black
TBC apologist
𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Aug 14, 2025 13:26:28 GMT -5
Honestly, I kind of understand where cats like Sparkpelt are coming from. Imagine living your life with the assumption there have always been 4 Clans, and suddenly a fifth Clan no one ever knew about materializes and wants to take a place in the closed off world the Clans live in. Everything would change. I get why that must be scary for these cats who have known nothing else their entire life. It would be stupid for them to be this xenophobic to SkyClan *now*, when they have been settled in for a long time, but in AVoS this was a very different topic. Doesn't mean it's right for them to completely reject SkyClan, but I get where they are coming from.
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Post by Katanaheart on Aug 14, 2025 13:56:24 GMT -5
Honestly, I kind of understand where cats like Sparkpelt are coming from. Imagine living your life with the assumption there have always been 4 Clans, and suddenly a fifth Clan no one ever knew about materializes and wants to take a place in the closed off world the Clans live in. Everything would change. I get why that must be scary for these cats who have known nothing else their entire life. It would be stupid for them to be this xenophobic to SkyClan *now*, when they have been settled in for a long time, but in AVoS this was a very different topic. Doesn't mean it's right for them to completely reject SkyClan, but I get where they are coming from. Especially since it took a while and some deaths for SkyClan to even obtain their current territory. It also hasn’t even been a long time since SkyClan’s return, two or three seasons at most? |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 14, 2025 20:02:10 GMT -5
Ngl I kind of agree with her reasoning. The reason they left is because of Darktail, and Darktail isn't at the gorge anymore. Trying to slot SkyClan into territory by the lake ended up being a huge problem that spanned multiple books, including a super edition, so I get her being like "They should just go back home."
The "real" clans comment is pretty eh, though.
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Post by valleylight on Aug 14, 2025 22:16:01 GMT -5
I really liked that AVoS made Sparkpelt a complex, opinionated character with blind spots, rather than just a stock happy-go-lucky and positive sister archetype. I like it even better because she and Alderheart communicate about their difference of opinion while still loving and supporting each other. It’s easy to get along with a sibling who always agrees with you and doesn’t have a confrontational or flawed bone in her body… but it means a lot more when she’s messy, or even problematic. When she prefers the simplest, most practical solution over taking a step of faith to embrace the new.
Honestly, Sparkpelt gives very well-reasoned arguments that even take Alderheart’s concern over StarClan’s prophecies into consideration. From her perspective, she’s being honest about what’s best for everyone, including SkyClan.
But at the same time, we as readers know she’s wrong about StarClan’s will, and we can easily hone in on her prejudicial language. It’s clear she lacks her brother’s deeper insight and empathy toward SkyClan. They traveled for moons and moons to reach the Clans, losing so many cats along the way. They made every mistake, but they still rose from the fallout, circling back to StarClan’s promise to guide them to their new home. They reached the lake territories ravaged by sickness and exhaustion, yet overjoyed to find all their suffering was worth it.
For the Clans to send them away now would be like looking at all their sacrifices and saying, “Well, sorry about that. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.” The theme of faith is pretty central to Alderheart’s character, so to punish and crush SkyClan’s faith so utterly would be unthinkable for him. In a way, it reminds me of Fireheart and Bluestar’s defense of WindClan after they brought them home from exile in Fire and Ice, when every cat argued the Forest would be better off without them.
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Post by kitters on Aug 15, 2025 14:16:53 GMT -5
I remember mostly agreeing with sparkpelt here. I think the "go back where they came from" is a little harsh considering the huge journey and amount of losses they took to get there, but the clans didn't really owe them territory or anything. Skyclan never lived there.
I think it would be reasonable to let them live nearby and come to gatherings and the moon pool if they wanted. But squeezing between shadowclan and thunderclan created so many problems that the writers are forced to move them again lol
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Post by valleylight on Aug 16, 2025 9:34:41 GMT -5
I remember mostly agreeing with sparkpelt here. I think the "go back where they came from" is a little harsh considering the huge journey and amount of losses they took to get there, but the clans didn't really owe them territory or anything. Skyclan never lived there. I think it would be reasonable to let them live nearby and come to gatherings and the moon pool if they wanted. But squeezing between shadowclan and thunderclan created so many problems that the writers are forced to move them again lol This is such an interesting alternative; I wonder how the events of TBC and ASC would be different if they set up SkyClan a bit farther away from the contiguous Clans? I imagine that mentality of them not being a “real Clan” might persist longer, giving them an outsider feel. Then again, the Clans might grow to better appreciate them and Tree’s mediation, since they’d be a neutral party without a vested interest in border disputes. |
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