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Post by pouetfairy on Nov 19, 2024 6:36:39 GMT -5
I would like everyone to be constructive in their response, and for hatred not to be spread gratuitously.
The characters I can't stand are Sandstorm, Squirrelflight, Bramblestar, Sol et Hawkfrost.
Sandstorm irritates me every time I read TPB. Her "enemies to lovers" dynamic with Firestar doesn't work at all after he saves her life. I find their romance dull. As soon as we have Firestar's POV, everything makes me believe that Sandstorm is a second choice for him (although he has real feelings for her, I don't question it). And finally, unlike ALL the other secondary characters revolving around Firestar in TPB, Sandstorm is the only one who has no real purpose in the story. Her only goal of the Arc is to have an apprentice... Like Brackenfur.
I liked Squirrelpaw, but Squirrelflight in the second part of TNP is just hateful. I have a real problem with her throughout the saga: despite her faults (which are the whole point of her character), she is always right, whatever she does. And if she is "wrong" on a point, we always have a magical justification which appears to show that no, Squirreliflight will always be morally right and that otherwise, it is not her responsibility and she was forced to (yes I look at you, "Leafpool's Wish").
I also liked Bramblepaw, but Brambleclaw really disappointed me in TNP. The authors made him a Firestar 2.0, much less charistmatic and endearing. His development in the second part of TNP is as inconsistent as possible, he just comes across as stupid. And subsequently, I found him to be a boring leader with no real personality.
Sol has a great concept, but he's very poorly executed and doesn't serve much purpose in the canon. Even Vicky admitted that if she had to do it again, she would reconsider his story. Writing a character who is supposed to be smarter than average is hard; often, the intelligence of others is diminished to create a gap, and that's what happened with Sol. As soon as he's around, I find that everyone acts really stupid and/or illogical.
Hawkfrost bothers me, because he could have been much more than "the bad guy's son with pretty eyes" and his fate goes against one of the great "lessons" of TPB and TNP: we are not our parents, we can follow our own path. However, seeing Hawkfrost follow his father without ever questioning his ideas (at least, from what we see) goes against this message. I would have much preferred that the real traitor of TNP be a cat with no connection to Tigerstar. For me, Hawkfrost's popularity is really due to the headcanons that fans have about him: contrary to what I see a lot, he has no real development in canon.
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Post by Frostdawn on Nov 19, 2024 8:15:21 GMT -5
For me it is Splashtail. He has no real motivation for what he did. He is a young warrior who for the most part had a good life so what made him snap and become the monster he is in ASC. Curlfeather and Berryheart's motivations make sense and they are great developed villains but Splashtail just seems like a wannabe Hawkfrost, Tigerstar I, Ashfur, and Darktail and failing miserably.
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Post by owlsight on Nov 19, 2024 8:17:26 GMT -5
For me it is Splashtail. He has no real motivation for what he did. He is a young warrior who for the most part had a good life so what made him snap and become the monster he is in ASC. Curlfeather and Berryheart's motivations make sense and they are great developed villains but Splashtail just seems like a wannabe Hawkfrost, Tigerstar I, Ashfur, and Darktail and failing miserably. His motivation is just Tigerclaws, pretty much exactly, and he didn’t fail, he succeeded in becoming leader of Riverclan until the clans finally did something about it. I’m not trying to say you’re wrong about disliking him, in case you got that vibe. |
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Post by oatwhisker on Nov 19, 2024 8:25:41 GMT -5
I really dislike Jayfeather. He is extremely cruel oftentimes and needlessly so. It was fine at first but it's just getting obnoxious at this point, and it honestly makes me sigh whenever he's mentioned. Bluestar also kinda comes to mind. I liked her super edition but she wasn't my favorite in TPB, and she bothered me on a few occasions. I also HATE Tigerheartstar oh so much. Not only is he arrogant, and incompetent, but he also jumped me and took 20.
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 19, 2024 8:27:08 GMT -5
I'll just go with my least favorite character in the whole series: Breezepelt. This guy gets away with attempted murder of a pregnant woman and that's not even scraping the bottom of the barallel for his crimes. I hate him and will be popping the BIGGEST bottles when he dies.
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Post by duskflower on Nov 19, 2024 8:35:54 GMT -5
off the top of my head i have mainly two
Jayfeather- i cant stand that edgelord nonsense that made him and still makes him peoples fave. cause he stopped being an underdog ages ago and the little sympathy for his plight I did have vanished the moment he became an apprentice. Like there are few moments when his attitude is warranted and trust me, i do love a character who is go lucky all the time. but he always seems so damn angry and its like sis its 2024. anything you have to still be angry about all these years later most likely doesnt matter anymore. get over it.
Squirreflight/star- I dont exactly dislike her sometimes but I just wished the authors didnt cling onto the fan art and clamoring and make her character consistently favorable in the writing- when in situations where had it been any other cat they would have deserved backlash both in the narrative and in fan reactions. plus her still being a main character when shes like 75 is very annoying- even her father knew when to bow out. as for her actual character, she can be way too reckless and acts too much on her feelings- things that would be bad for any leader to have (oh but suddenly shes not like that cause they knew that would be bad- hence the authors consistently writing her to be favorable imo)
Molewhisker- not a major character but he way too serious and the way he was so cold with poor Alderheart when he couldnt catch on was just annoying to me.
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Post by flipwish on Nov 19, 2024 10:48:51 GMT -5
Brambleclaw, Nightheart, and Gray Wing are probably my top least favs and the reoccurring trait for them all is that they're some of the most glaring examples of the narration ig? In the books + official site telling the reader they're Super Awesome and Noble and Cool while the actual contents of their actions in the books have them being miserable petty jerks throughout a good chunk of their existences as characters. If they were truly flawed they might be fun, if they were truly noble and selfless and kind of whatever they'd at least be consistent with the way you're seemingly intended to view them, but instead we'll get things like Brambleclaw participating in kitty war crimes or being dismissive and spineless when some significant threat is brought up and then the next book everyone basically goes "Oh, not poor noble Brambleclaw! Brambleclaw the selfless hero!!!" I use brambleclaw as the biggest example here because it's also a bit funny to me when people say that he specifically suffers as a character because the way the books are written is biased against him, but in reality even in SqH, Squilf herself- a character that the supposed blame is pinned on very often- has several scenes where she's basically like "aww poor sad bramble, he's so noble and sad and torn and sad and noble  ". It just gets frustrating to read. |
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Post by owlsight on Nov 19, 2024 10:57:50 GMT -5
Brambleclaw, Nightheart, and Gray Wing are probably my top least favs and the reoccurring trait for them all is that they're some of the most glaring examples of the narration ig? In the books + official site telling the reader they're Super Awesome and Noble and Cool while the actual contents of their actions in the books have them being miserable petty jerks throughout a good chunk of their existences as characters. If they were truly flawed they might be fun, if they were truly noble and selfless and kind of whatever they'd at least be consistent with the way you're seemingly intended to view them, but instead we'll get things like Brambleclaw participating in kitty war crimes or being dismissive and spineless when some significant threat is brought up and then the next book everyone basically goes "Oh, not poor noble Brambleclaw! Brambleclaw the selfless hero!!!" I use brambleclaw as the biggest example here because it's also a bit funny to me when people say that he specifically suffers as a character because the way the books are written is biased against him, but in reality even in SqH, Squilf herself- a character that the supposed blame is pinned on very often- has several scenes where she's basically like "aww poor sad bramble, he's so noble and sad and torn and sad and noble ". It just gets frustrating to read. Your reasonings for disliking Brambleclaw are fine and I agree with them, but I don’t understand how Nightheart or Gray Wing aren’t actually flawed characters, Nightheart is indecisive and immature, but he grows out of this, it’s especially prevalent in Thunder with his and Frostpaws dynamic. Gray Wing’s flaw is that he can’t seem to bring himself to believe that Clear Sky might not be that good of a guy, but he’s proven wrong time and time again but he can’t bring himself to accept it. And while i’d agree that the books over exaggerate the heroism and nobility of Nightheart specifically, in Star he does several selfless and heroic acts, I mean you say ”if they were truly flawed it would be fine” but then you contradict yourself by pointing out several flaws of Brambleclaw. |
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Post by flipwish on Nov 19, 2024 11:38:21 GMT -5
had a response half written and then accidentally screwed up the formatting of it </3
they're both just a lot like bramble to me- it's less than they have no flaws, and more that the way their flaws are handled is disappointing imo because it often feels like they just want to gloss over them or make excuses (or in Nightheart's case, go "oh but you didn't consider x!!! the readers are wrong and forgot about his NAME!") instead of fully utilizing them or even just like...leaving them be. to me "truly flawed" would be that the books/articles actually let those characters have those flaws instead of going "well actually no, because [excuse here/he's proven right/ something else]"
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 19, 2024 11:58:14 GMT -5
I really dislike Jayfeather. He is extremely cruel oftentimes and needlessly so. It was fine at first but it's just getting obnoxious at this point, and it honestly makes me sigh whenever he's mentioned. Bluestar also kinda comes to mind. I liked her super edition but she wasn't my favorite in TPB, and she bothered me on a few occasions. I also HATE Tigerheartstar oh so much. Not only is he arrogant, and incompetent, but he also jumped me and took 20. Word for word, bar for bar, agree |
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Post by owlsight on Nov 19, 2024 12:13:09 GMT -5
had a response half written and then accidentally screwed up the formatting of it </3 they're both just a lot like bramble to me- it's less than they have no flaws, and more that the way their flaws are handled is disappointing imo because it often feels like they just want to gloss over them or make excuses (or in Nightheart's case, go "oh but you didn't consider x!!! the readers are wrong and forgot about his NAME!") instead of fully utilizing them or even just like...leaving them be. to me "truly flawed" would be that the books/articles actually let those characters have those flaws instead of going "well actually no, because [excuse here/he's proven right/ something else]" That’s completely fair! |
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Post by Whispering Willow on Nov 19, 2024 12:37:14 GMT -5
Jayfeather. His prickly, rude attitude was understandable and even endearing sometimes earlier in the series, but it's persisted so long (and gotten pretty awful sometimes) that I just find it incredibly grating and unappealing now.
Also Tigerheartstar. I didn't like him in OotS but I like him even less as a leader. His leadership feels extremely contrived and undeserved, and on top of that, he's a control freak. He's made it clear now in ASC that, if he loses or feels he has no control over something, he is willing to go to great lengths (even killing, as he threatened RiverClan) to achieve and maintain control. He tends to be pretty controlling over his own family until Dovewing herself calls him out. Everybody, and I mean everybody, justifies everything he does - even Sunbeam spent the entirety of ASC justifying his actions, even if she inwardly disagreed, and Dovewing is also pretty bad about that in general. He sees almost no consequences for his actions in the aftermath. There's more but I don't want to write a whole essay so those are the gripes that come to mind first.
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Post by Queen Tawnypelt on Nov 19, 2024 13:58:48 GMT -5
I really don't like Squirrelflight because of how both fans and the writers treat her like she's the greatest cat ever to grace the books (aside from Tigerstar II). She always has to be right even when she's wrong and comes off very hypocritical as a leader now. I really wanted her to be the one leader who wouldn't afraid to stir up trouble but they just made her look like a complete imbecile next to Tigerstar II.
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Post by 🩵Snøω🩵 on Nov 19, 2024 14:27:27 GMT -5
I don't squirrelstar. A lot of people worship her but I personally find her annoying and a bit entitled. Then, when she became leader, she just became extremely dull.
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Post by cloudsbursted on Nov 19, 2024 14:39:54 GMT -5
For me it is Splashtail. He has no real motivation for what he did. He is a young warrior who for the most part had a good life so what made him snap and become the monster he is in ASC. Curlfeather and Berryheart's motivations make sense and they are great developed villains but Splashtail just seems like a wannabe Hawkfrost, Tigerstar I, Ashfur, and Darktail and failing miserably. His motivation is just Tigerclaws, pretty much exactly, and he didn’t fail, he succeeded in becoming leader of Riverclan until the clans finally did something about it. I’m not trying to say you’re wrong about disliking him, in case you got that vibe. I’m pretty sure they meant that Splashtail failed to live up to the hype and expectations set by Hawk/Tiger/Ash/Dark rather than literally failed his goals within the story. I entirely agree with the sentiment too, because while at first Splashtail seemed like he was being set up for a more unique role akin to some charming, political savant who uses his contrarian ideas to stir the pot of unrest in RiverClan (a very unique and interesting concept which suits the arc) the writers throw all that out a four-story window to make him yet another mindless brute who absolutely loves murdering loyal deputies and babies, like an unholy amalgamation of Brokenstar, Tigerstar, and One Eye but minus all the actual menace and logic of why they worked as villains. He’s just utterly disappointing in Wind and Star, which is unfortunate since he had a very strong start. |
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Post by Viperstrike on Nov 19, 2024 15:29:55 GMT -5
I hate Needletail so much. She’s irresponsible, selfish, and mean. She has a victim mentality, convincing herself that she’s an outcast in ShadowClan because no one looked for her after she was taken away by the owl, but everything in the narrative goes against that. She’s shown having many friends, or at least getting along with the other apprentices in her group. Alderheart likes her for some unexplained reason, and Violetshine worshipped the ground she walked on despite being abused by Needletail. A majority of ShadowClan aligned themselves with the Kin too, so how exactly is Needletail an outcast?
She’s entitled and pushes herself into situations that don’t involve her, and then causes trouble. She pushed for Violetshine and Twigbranch to be separated, but then ignored Violetshine until it was convenient for her. She then proceeded to continuously put Violetshine in dangerous situations, encouraged her to dislike Twigbranch for no reason, manipulated her, among other things.
She knew Darktail was evil from the start. She saw how he’d driven out SkyClan. She knew he killed that cat (I can’t remember his name). She was personally held prisoner by him. She knew all of this, and still chose to break the warrior code and help him destroy her Clan for no good reason. She helped him wage war against others, and she didn’t care. She knew cats were dying because of Darktail, and she didn’t care until it personally affected her with Rain being killed. At the same time, she keeps pushing this narrative that Rowanstar is a terrible person, and that he’s done all these awful things against her, and that’s why she’s doing what she’s doing. Rowanstar didn’t do anything to deserve the treatment he got. He was done so dirty it makes me mad.
And she was never punished for any of this. She’s presented as a victim in all of this, and we’re supposed to believe that because she shared her food with the other prisoners and died to save Violetshine that she’s secretly a good person. Alderheart and Violetshine constantly make excuses for her, and always think of her as a hero when she’s not. She should’ve gone to the Dark Forest. She’s no different from Darkstripe, the only difference is Darkstripe went down for the cause where Needletail changed her mind at the last second. That’s not good enough for me. If the books would’ve just owned up to her being a bad person, I probably wouldn’t hate her so much, but it’s the constant shoving in my face of “poor Needletail, she didn’t do anything wrong, she was a misguided hero all along!” that annoys me and makes me hate her.
I don’t know what she does after AVOS. This is just my opinion on what I read
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Post by asrise on Nov 19, 2024 16:45:40 GMT -5
I have to agree with Needletail. I liked her a lot in the first book, but after, her rebelious spirit just seems dead and she just seems like she's on Darktail's side without question. Why she accepts this we have basically no reason for, and she treats everyone else badly for no reason. It seems like she changes rapidly in the turn of the first to the second book. I also don't think her sacrifice is enough. I have had enough of these sorts of final sacrifices being the redemption for cats who were just bad in life. I would have wanted her to actually have a redemption, where she turns away from Darktail by growing, and also by keeping her old free spirit. She just seems broken down and subordinate to the kin in the second and third books, which completely goes against her portrayal in the first.
I also partially blame Rain for this. He's an annoying, brutish and unlikable character who is in explicably the reason that Needletail is so devoted to the kin. Like why do they have a relationship? We are never shown that. He's just poorly thought out reason why Needletail is completely changed. He's not all that complicated either, and the narritive tries to make you feel sorry for him when he attacks Darktail, but it just doesn't work.
For that matter, much of the kin, and ShadowClan in general in AVoS is poorly thought out and a lot of the worst characters (and worst characterization) in the series is in that arc. Doesn't help that all the protagonists are pretty boring as well.
I think that Wind Runner is another choice for me. She's incredibly vindictive, rude, pretty much every thing bad, and yet she is presented as a good, and useful cat. Same thing with Skystar. DotC can't seem to admit that these characters are just bad people, even after whatever "redemption" they put them through. On the subject of DotC, Tom is also another example of a poor redemption though sacrifice choice.
Villains that are pretty much just stock evil brute are also some of the worst in my mind. One Eye, Slash, Darktail, Splashtail to an extent (Though even he has more going for him) All of these barely have anything to grab onto and are pretty much just a force of nature. It makes the books drier by having this sort of antagonist that no character can relate to or reason with.
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Post by Pigeonfeather on Nov 19, 2024 22:39:51 GMT -5
I also came here to say Needletail, pretty much for the reasons other people have stated above. It didn't seem to me like she actually cared about Violetshine that much, and in general I just didn't like her attitude. So I never really got on board with her redemption arc, but she's pretty much treated as a hero now.
Also not a fan of Sol (so much hype around him as a villain for pretty much no reason) or Clear Sky (I don't think I need to explain this one).
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Post by pouetfairy on Nov 20, 2024 4:58:11 GMT -5
I hate Needletail so much. She’s irresponsible, selfish, and mean. She has a victim mentality, convincing herself that she’s an outcast in ShadowClan because no one looked for her after she was taken away by the owl, but everything in the narrative goes against that. She’s shown having many friends, or at least getting along with the other apprentices in her group. Alderheart likes her for some unexplained reason, and Violetshine worshipped the ground she walked on despite being abused by Needletail. A majority of ShadowClan aligned themselves with the Kin too, so how exactly is Needletail an outcast? She’s entitled and pushes herself into situations that don’t involve her, and then causes trouble. She pushed for Violetshine and Twigbranch to be separated, but then ignored Violetshine until it was convenient for her. She then proceeded to continuously put Violetshine in dangerous situations, encouraged her to dislike Twigbranch for no reason, manipulated her, among other things. She knew Darktail was evil from the start. She saw how he’d driven out SkyClan. She knew he killed that cat (I can’t remember his name). She was personally held prisoner by him. She knew all of this, and still chose to break the warrior code and help him destroy her Clan for no good reason. She helped him wage war against others, and she didn’t care. She knew cats were dying because of Darktail, and she didn’t care until it personally affected her with Rain being killed. At the same time, she keeps pushing this narrative that Rowanstar is a terrible person, and that he’s done all these awful things against her, and that’s why she’s doing what she’s doing. Rowanstar didn’t do anything to deserve the treatment he got. He was done so dirty it makes me mad. And she was never punished for any of this. She’s presented as a victim in all of this, and we’re supposed to believe that because she shared her food with the other prisoners and died to save Violetshine that she’s secretly a good person. Alderheart and Violetshine constantly make excuses for her, and always think of her as a hero when she’s not. She should’ve gone to the Dark Forest. She’s no different from Darkstripe, the only difference is Darkstripe went down for the cause where Needletail changed her mind at the last second. That’s not good enough for me. If the books would’ve just owned up to her being a bad person, I probably wouldn’t hate her so much, but it’s the constant shoving in my face of “poor Needletail, she didn’t do anything wrong, she was a misguided hero all along!” that annoys me and makes me hate her. I don’t know what she does after AVOS. This is just my opinion on what I read Needletail is one of my favorite characters, but I totally get your point and I agree with it! This is, for me, one of the biggest weaknesses of authors with "morally gray" or "not inherently evil" cats. Authors fail to write good redemptions; and instead of owning up to their characters' mistakes/crimes, punishing them properly, and/or showing us a real credible evolution, the narrative or other characters excuse them in every way to convince us, the readers, that they were never truly evil/corrupt when their ACTIONS prove us otherwise. Again, I love Needletail. But I HATE the fact that the story portrays her as an incredible heroine and best friend to Violetshine. No, she clearly wasn't; and that's why her character is so cool, by the way! Violetshine failing to step back and look at her relationship with Needltail objectively is realistic. But I wish someone (Alderheart, Twigbranch, Tree, Hawkwing) would have made her face reality, that the narrative itself would point out that no, a healthy friendship doesn't look like that. I have the same problem with Clear Sky, who is an antagonist I love but whose supposed redemption I HATE. |
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Nov 20, 2024 5:26:10 GMT -5
Just going to list my top three least favorite battle cats here and the reason why I think they suck: Onestar I liked him in TPB and the first half of TNP (even though even his warrior self was shown to have already kinda sucked there in his own SE.
But even though I understand that he wanted to prove to WindClan, the other Clans and himself that he could be a leader without the help of Firestar or his friendship/support, he went to far in wanting to showcase that, in my opinion.
He was needlessly cruel and cold on several occasions during PoT and OotS. And his attack during the eclipse was complete bs considering he'd be dead without ThunderClans' interference during the civil war with Mudclaw.
Although again, I do understand where he's coming from since ThunderClan and Firestar were indeed involving themselves in the business of the other Clans quite a whole lot.
The biggest reasons as for why I dislike Onestar is for how he treated Smoke and Darktail in his SE and what had been implied during AVoS. As well as him being ready to let the ShadowClan cats die during the outbreak of Yellowcough in early AVoS. Overall, Onestar gets a one star review from me. Tigerstar II I liked him in PoT and the first book of OotS. But then his character quickly got annoying and downright obnoxious to me.
His romance drama with Dovewing during OotS and AVoS was extremely drawn out and tiring to read about. Although I get that might he a personal preference since a lot of people love those types of romances (and this ship) and that's fair.
But what infuriated me most was the fact that their relationship kinda took away from their own character journeys outside of them as a pairing. Yes, Dovewing was still the third prophecy cat and yes, Tigerheart was still a Dark Forest trainee. But that's just the point, I wanted to see more of that and less of their personal drama. Plus, him being a spy came out of left field imo because there was zero indication for it due to him not getting that many scenes of being seen (by Ivypool) in the Dark Forest.
And not to forget the fact that Tigerheart started his friendship/situationship with Dovewing when she was still quite a young apprentice. The romance came later (but also when she still had the paw suffix) so there's that to dislike about him too for me.
But my biggest beef with Tigerheart comes from him becoming ShadowClan's "ideal" leader during AVoS at the expense of his father Rowanstar/claw as well as all the shit he pulled as such during his leadership so far. Oh great, I've already managed to make myself angry without even listing it all so I'll finish by saying something "nice" about him, I guess. Tigerstar II does bring the story along when it comes to political drama (end of AVoS, SqH, TBC, ASC) but it's at the cost of my patience with him as a character. StarClan, I hate this fictional cat, send help. Sleekwhisker/Needletail The reason I'm listing these two together is due to me starting to think I should replace the former with the latter.
Because in comparison, Sleekwhisker is just such a nothing character when put next to the likes of Needletail in terms of importance in the story. Others have already made great points as to why Needletail is terrible but I'll still include something about her as well after Sleekwhisker.
I did not care much for Sleekwhisker herself as an apprentice since all she's pretty much characterized as is her being a bully to Violetkit/paw. Her hypocrisy when it came to outsiders was mildly infuriating considering she makes fun of Violetkit for being one but then turns around a few pages later (in the same book) and welcomes them. Then again, her great-grandfather Tigerstar I was also a massive hypocrite in his lifetime (and afterlife lol) and so it's kinda fitting for her, I suppose.
But her worst moment was the attempt at making her a villain of the week (book) when she abducted Yarrowleaf's kits, threatended Tawnypelt, killed Rowanclaw (needed help with that) and still had the time to throw a temper tantrum that her life had been so hard because ShadowClan (and Rowanclaw) was oh so weak.
Like, this is the great-granddaughter of Tigerstar I, she's the granddaughter of the former Clan leader and niece to Tigerstar II. And yet, she's just so...pathetic.And sadly not even in a fun way like Darkstripe. I don't know why, but I expected more from her character.
As for Needletail, her relationship with Violetshine was unhealthy/unsettling and her hypocrisy when it to came blaming the temporary downfall of ShadowClan soely on Rowanclaw, even though her and others played big parts in it too, was unfair.
I get that she was young and felt neglected by her Clan though (and her sacrifice was a great scene). Still, I'm just not a fan of her. Dishonorable mentions go to: Clear Sky, Star Flower, Slash, Mudclaw, Leopardstar, Blackstar, Sol, Yellowfang (after TPB), Spottedleaf (after TPB) and Moonlight |
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2024 7:00:42 GMT -5
jayfeather hate in the wc forums... the world is HEALING!!!!
nominating jayfeather for the next warrior cat death
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 20, 2024 7:19:14 GMT -5
jayfeather hate in the wc forums... the world is HEALING!!!! nominating jayfeather for the next warrior cat death That is not a good thing.  (Don't take the emote seriously. I'm messing around.) |
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Post by کیوان on Nov 20, 2024 9:50:02 GMT -5
Squelch is being rewarded by the fandom for becoming a walking, talking plot device as we speak. I cannot in my right consciousness support her. Not today, not tomorrow, not next year.
Tigerstar II keeps playing stupid games and winning prizes that aren't stupid (i.e., the fandom's adulation). It's like there's some kind of unspoken rule about who you're supposed to like and dislike and Tigerstar II somehow ended up on the nice list. After this observation, I can't take the fandom's opinions seriously anymore.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Nov 20, 2024 18:02:57 GMT -5
I wish I knew how to quote multiple people at once, but I will say that I salute every person here who explained why Squirrelflight and Needletail suck. The fandom at large lets these two get away with anything, especially Squirrelflight.
We're going to have her for another 5 arcs because little-miss-perfect's my-way-or-the-highway approach means she can do no wrong. Bramblestar has been continuously screwed over in order to prop Squirrelflight on an ever-rising pedestal and I'm sick of her.
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Post by boragesky on Nov 20, 2024 18:12:32 GMT -5
Spottedleaf. TW: mention of gr**ming.HOO BOY SPOTTEDLEAF GETS ON MY NERVES. No, we are not gonna pity you just because Thistleclaw gr**med you and you for some reason almost passed it on to Firestar.
Sure, it's BAD, I know, gr**ming is inexcusable and bad, but that's a terrible way to excuse her behavior. Plus, I absolutely HATE Spottedleaf still trying to be with Firestar even after her death. Like girlypop, I recovered from MY rejection better than you, and you died and are crying and trying to get to him.
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Aroace
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if you need me ill be listening to sweater weather by the neighborhood on repeat
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Post by 🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 on Nov 20, 2024 23:14:25 GMT -5
For me it is Splashtail. He has no real motivation for what he did. He is a young warrior who for the most part had a good life so what made him snap and become the monster he is in ASC. Curlfeather and Berryheart's motivations make sense and they are great developed villains but Splashtail just seems like a wannabe Hawkfrost, Tigerstar I, Ashfur, and Darktail and failing miserably. Splashtail’s motivation was created by Curlfeather. Curlfeather made him hungry for power by telling him to kill Reedwhisker and (probably) saying all the wonderful things that would happen after he did so. You have to keep in mind when Splashtail was commuting crimes he was young, just barely a warrior. I always liked to think that Curlfeather basically made him what he is now until he eventually was so obsessed with power that he just wanted to take it all. Although sadly this concept is never very well expanded on in the books due to Frostpaw being manipulated by both Curlfeather and Splashtail through out River |
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if you need me ill be listening to sweater weather by the neighborhood on repeat
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Post by 🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 on Nov 20, 2024 23:16:55 GMT -5
nominating jayfeather for the next warrior cat death as a jayfeather enjoyer this statement is still true he must die and it must be brutal and he is also still an asshole no matter how much i like him lol |
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Post by Cherrystream on Nov 21, 2024 10:15:51 GMT -5
I'm personally not a big fan of Spottedleaf. I hate what happened to her as an apprentice because she didn't deserve it, but I hate how in TNP and on they made her a Firestar lover. Like, she was just his friend and guidance in TPB, I don't know why they changed it other than to give the "Ooooh who is Firestar gonna choose in Starclan???" but then they double-killed her so they wouldn't actually have to write that. I loved Spottedleaf in TPB as he guided Firestar-then Fireheart- but after that I just...don't.
I'm also not a fan of Sleekwhisker and Needletail. AVOS is my least favorite arc by far so maybe that should be taken into account. It just feels like Sleekwhisker was evil just to be evil, and then we never see her again. And Needletail, I just don't really like her relationship with Violetshine for a lot of the time she's alive. I like her and Alderheart finding Twigkit and Violetkit, I feel like The Apprentice's Quest was Needletail's strongest book tbh. And I do like that she sacrificed herself for Violetshine. But I guess her attitude and taking Violetkit with her to The Kin, and then convincing her to come back to The Kin after Darktail takes over Shadowclan. Idk, I don't remember a lot of AVOS so I might be wrong on part of this. Please correct me if I got something wrong ;w;
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Post by dawnfire86 on Nov 21, 2024 22:10:19 GMT -5
my least fave ctas: sol fireHEART (i knoooow im sooooryyy) loinblaze nightheart leafpool berrynose cloudtail and so on... my fave cats (a lot of bad ones here) ashfur-dead splashtail/curlfeather ( as a team there great but by themselves just NO) frostpaw lightfrost (haha warriorsfanfic.fandom.com/wiki/Way_of_the_Twolegi made it myself  )) ) |
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Nov 22, 2024 5:25:35 GMT -5
I hate Needletail so much. She’s irresponsible, selfish, and mean. She has a victim mentality, convincing herself that she’s an outcast in ShadowClan because no one looked for her after she was taken away by the owl, but everything in the narrative goes against that. She’s shown having many friends, or at least getting along with the other apprentices in her group. Alderheart likes her for some unexplained reason, and Violetshine worshipped the ground she walked on despite being abused by Needletail. A majority of ShadowClan aligned themselves with the Kin too, so how exactly is Needletail an outcast? She’s entitled and pushes herself into situations that don’t involve her, and then causes trouble. She pushed for Violetshine and Twigbranch to be separated, but then ignored Violetshine until it was convenient for her. She then proceeded to continuously put Violetshine in dangerous situations, encouraged her to dislike Twigbranch for no reason, manipulated her, among other things. She knew Darktail was evil from the start. She saw how he’d driven out SkyClan. She knew he killed that cat (I can’t remember his name). She was personally held prisoner by him. She knew all of this, and still chose to break the warrior code and help him destroy her Clan for no good reason. She helped him wage war against others, and she didn’t care. She knew cats were dying because of Darktail, and she didn’t care until it personally affected her with Rain being killed. At the same time, she keeps pushing this narrative that Rowanstar is a terrible person, and that he’s done all these awful things against her, and that’s why she’s doing what she’s doing. Rowanstar didn’t do anything to deserve the treatment he got. He was done so dirty it makes me mad. And she was never punished for any of this. She’s presented as a victim in all of this, and we’re supposed to believe that because she shared her food with the other prisoners and died to save Violetshine that she’s secretly a good person. Alderheart and Violetshine constantly make excuses for her, and always think of her as a hero when she’s not. She should’ve gone to the Dark Forest. She’s no different from Darkstripe, the only difference is Darkstripe went down for the cause where Needletail changed her mind at the last second. That’s not good enough for me. If the books would’ve just owned up to her being a bad person, I probably wouldn’t hate her so much, but it’s the constant shoving in my face of “poor Needletail, she didn’t do anything wrong, she was a misguided hero all along!” that annoys me and makes me hate her. I don’t know what she does after AVOS. This is just my opinion on what I read this times one MILLION. hate hate hate HATE needletail |
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