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The Shiny User
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 10, 2024 23:32:12 GMT -5
Holy crap man?? So much has happened in the first three chapters; they're just not giving us a break. It felt like whiplash going from SPLASHTAIL WAS DRIVEN OUT to IT'S A TRAP!!!
This is really good so far though and I'm so excited for the rest of the book.
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Hyenafang
"I do not support Seaworld or any Marine Parks that exploit Cenaceans!"
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Post by Hyenafang on Sept 11, 2024 1:20:02 GMT -5
So Harelight is the arrogant one Splashtail!? That's a bit like a carp calling the pike a fish isn't it?
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duskflower
I can talk about these cats all day and that is a problem
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Post by duskflower on Sept 11, 2024 7:50:19 GMT -5
How could they trust Berryheart so quickly?? especially Tigerstar. Like idk I would not have fallen for it- they literally just told you guys that Harelight was killed and Berryheart replaced him.
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Post by کیوان on Sept 11, 2024 21:47:31 GMT -5
Also geeze, Frostpaw really can’t catch a break, she waked right into Berryheart’s trap, along with Tigerstar and the rest of ShadowClan At least she noticed something was amiss. She has some deep intuition.
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duskflower
I can talk about these cats all day and that is a problem
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Post by duskflower on Sept 12, 2024 6:43:05 GMT -5
Also geeze, Frostpaw really can’t catch a break, she waked right into Berryheart’s trap, along with Tigerstar and the rest of ShadowClan At least she noticed something was amiss. She has some deep intuition. I just feel like that intuition should have kicked in sooner. there was no proof in what you and the others just saw at the RC camp that would support Berryheart's switch up at all.
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Sept 12, 2024 12:21:53 GMT -5
Will Mothwing die? Also, I think there's going to be something amazing with Frostpaw in this book. Like, she gets killed by Splashtail but Nightheart and Sunbeam go to the River of Spirits to bring her spirit back to her body.
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Post by moongloweevee on Sept 12, 2024 15:13:28 GMT -5
Will Mothwing die? Also, I think there's going to be something amazing with Frostpaw in this book. Like, she gets killed by Splashtail but Nightheart and Sunbeam go to the River of Spirits to bring her spirit back to her body. I was so, so, SO happy when I read that Mothwing was injured and sick. My day was ruined when I saw that she was going to make a full recovery. Please let her go Erin's. I don't want the Mothstar memes to go flying off the ritcher scale again.
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Post by asrise on Sept 12, 2024 15:18:57 GMT -5
Will Mothwing die? Also, I think there's going to be something amazing with Frostpaw in this book. Like, she gets killed by Splashtail but Nightheart and Sunbeam go to the River of Spirits to bring her spirit back to her body. Mothwing might be one of my favourite characters, but I would love for her to die heroically in this book. She's not exempt from my "all TNP characters must die" belief. I think she's been trailing along for too long, so the climax of a RiverClan focused arc is really the best place to give her a last hurrah and kill her off. Maybe this could tie into whatever big thing happens to Frostpaw? Only thing I kind of regret about the arc is that those two didn't connect all that much.
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Post by streamflower on Sept 14, 2024 12:24:46 GMT -5
I think it's interesting that they managed to get Puddleshine to RC camp alone; my guess is that this was entirely intentional. With Podlight not being a real medicine cat and having neither Mothwing or Frostpaw to take care of injuries, I wouldn't be surprised if they've basically kidnapped Puddleshine in an attempt to have a medicine cat. He could also be a bargaining chip for Tigerstar; they may have been hoping to grab Shadowsight instead since Tigerstar would be far more likely to give more to protect his son, but Puddleshine is probably a good 'consolation prize' in that 1) he's a medicine cat which they desperately need and 2) Tigerstar won't destroy RC like he would if they'd kidnapped his son. I also think that Mothwing will end up dying/retiring by the end of this book. This illness/injury might just push her over the threshold of being able to continue her med. cat duties.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 14, 2024 14:41:29 GMT -5
I really like some of the characterizations in this but... I do have some qualms. First off, love the description for Curlfeather, to me, she will always be the better villain here, and I think her character writing is fantastic. I do like that they gave Splashtail another pov chapter, because this is much better than the last one, explaining his behavior more, and his downward spiral. Also, there's more explaining as to why RiverClan is behaving the way they are because of him (but still doesn't excuse some of the other leaders and their inactions).
Hats off to Nightheart for doing something brave, like facing twolegs and dogs so blatantly, despite this arc hammering in just how much more dangerous they are lately. But he did it to distract them and help get the others away, risking his own safety.
I have a sense of pride for Sunbeam being able to talk about how happy she is about joining ThunderClan, I'm glad she doesn't regret her choice. I'm happy that her clanmates still care about her, even if they're stubborn, and how Cloverfoot and the others didn't even hesitate to help.
I will say I cringed a bit at Frostpaw's parts though. I understand she is angry, and considering what she's been through, it makes sense. But every time she went after Duskfur for unnecessary things it made me grimace. She literally is her grandmother and the mother of Curlfeather. If anyone knows what she's going through, it's her. So it felt jarring to see her intentionally get pointed at her. And blame her own former clanmates over Splashtail himself. And this isn't something she was doing unconsciously, Icewing quite blatantly tells her several times that the only one at fault here is Splashtail.
So again, I understand why she's the way she is in these scenes, but it doesn't mean I'm a fan of it. She's just pretty much taking her anger out on others, and that's not healthy. But this isn't enough for me to dislike her as a character, not even close, I'm hoping that she does develop past this eventually. I also liked how they emphasized that RiverClan needs to work on its own problems at the end of the day, and that's true.
On the other hand, I am absolutely fascinated by Icewing's character, and I love her relationship with Frostpaw. She's such a firm and sensible figure.
Berryheart and Gorseclaw were a real piece of work in this, but I'm enjoying them nonetheless. I do see how this will work out though, most likely Frostpaw will have to sneak off the island by swimming, at least that's my theory. On the other hand, poor Puddleshine, he's definitely going to be kept as a prisoner, yikes. And ShadowClan Camp will definitely be targeted, I just hope Cloverfoot can hold her own if that happens. I also hope that this FINALLY makes Squirrelflight do something. Her passiveness all arc has been irritating.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 14, 2024 17:38:38 GMT -5
I really like some of the characterizations in this but... I do have some qualms. First off, love the description for Curlfeather, to me, she will always be the better villain here, and I think her character writing is fantastic. I do like that they gave Splashtail another pov chapter, because this is much better than the last one, explaining his behavior more, and his downward spiral. Also, there's more explaining as to why RiverClan is behaving the way they are because of him (but still doesn't excuse some of the other leaders and their inactions).
Hats off to Nightheart for doing something brave, like facing twolegs and dogs so blatantly, despite this arc hammering in just how much more dangerous they are lately. But he did it to distract them and help get the others away, risking his own safety.
I have a sense of pride for Sunbeam being able to talk about how happy she is about joining ThunderClan, I'm glad she doesn't regret her choice. I'm happy that her clanmates still care about her, even if they're stubborn, and how Cloverfoot and the others didn't even hesitate to help.
I will say I cringed a bit at Frostpaw's parts though. I understand she is angry, and considering what she's been through, it makes sense. But every time she went after Duskfur for unnecessary things it made me grimace. She literally is her grandmother and the mother of Curlfeather. If anyone knows what she's going through, it's her. So it felt jarring to see her intentionally get pointed at her. And blame her own former clanmates over Splashtail himself. And this isn't something she was doing unconsciously, Icewing quite blatantly tells her several times that the only one at fault here is Splashtail.
So again, I understand why she's the way she is in these scenes, but it doesn't mean I'm a fan of it. She's just pretty much taking her anger out on others, and that's not healthy. But this isn't enough for me to dislike her as a character, not even close, I'm hoping that she does develop past this eventually. I also liked how they emphasized that RiverClan needs to work on its own problems at the end of the day, and that's true.
On the other hand, I am absolutely fascinated by Icewing's character, and I love her relationship with Frostpaw. She's such a firm and sensible figure.
Berryheart and Gorseclaw were a real piece of work in this, but I'm enjoying them nonetheless. I do see how this will work out though, most likely Frostpaw will have to sneak off the island by swimming, at least that's my theory. On the other hand, poor Puddleshine, he's definitely going to be kept as a prisoner, yikes. And ShadowClan Camp will definitely be targeted, I just hope Cloverfoot can hold her own if that happens. I also hope that this FINALLY makes Squirrelflight do something. Her passiveness all arc has been irritating. Squirrelflight when Brambleclaw is leader: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND WE'RE COWARDS IF WE DON'T!!!
Squirrelflight when she is leader: Your call for help is extremely important to us, please hold until a representative is available
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 15, 2024 6:13:05 GMT -5
I completely missed the release of this lol! Make way for my delayed reaction shortly after I have read the excerpt. So excited <3 Prologue ("Splashstar") Interesting that Splashtail got two prologues in this arc, the one for Wind and now this one for Star. While it does make sense considering his prominent role in the story, I still kinda wish it would've been Curlfeather in the Dark Forest who got this one instead but oh well.
Him being glad to not work unlike his Clanmates and getting to sleep in unlike them because of his new (and stolen) leadership status is peak spoiled brat. Just like him getting upset at Harelight for daring to wink at him lol. Hilarious. Chill out, my dude. Maybe Harelight was just flirting /j.
Loved the convo between him and Curlfeather in the DF. I don't think it was just a dream though like some on here have speculated. Since she told him about what Duskfur, Mothwing and Icewing were up to as well as Harelight not really trusting his bs. Sis is literally haunting him for murdering her and I'm here for it lmao. “I will never let you go. I’ll always be beside you, because I want to watch you fail. I want to be there when your Clanmates turn on you. I want to see the other Clans drive you out.” Love that for you, queen <3 Chapter One (Nightheart) As already said multiple times, that scene of Splashtail murdering Harelight in front of RiverClan really was reminiscent of the bonehill scene and Stonefur's death back in TDH. As is the fact that almost everyone in RiverClan is too scared to fight back against tyranny. But at least this time around, there are a few more who question what is going on.
I'm glad Nightheart is so supportive of Sunbeam and looking out for her, even though I still don't like NightSun as a ship and probably never will at this point like with RootBristle (and the only other protag x protag ship that is BrambleSquirrel).
Duskfur, Mothwing and Icewing hiding under one of the halfbridges when Nightheart finds them was neat. Those territory marks aren't really used that often as props, after all. Poor Mothwing, getting used as a battle practise target for her punishment by Gorseclaw. Even if they become Clanmates again, I don't think that's something she'll just forget even if she seemingly already forgave him. Splashtail is a pos for doing that to her but what else is new.
Chapter Two (Sunbeam) I love that all three protagonists are now still working together in this book again instead being mostly on their own or in pairs like it was in the previous books for the most part (and even the previous arc with Shadowsight, Bristlefrost and Rootspring). First, Nightheart had his little quest of finding the three (former?) RiverClan she-cats, now Sunbeam has her mission of convincing Tigerstar II to take them and Frostpaw still has her overall goal of yeeting Splashtail out of his position of power.
It was nice to see Pouncestep get a scene with Sunbeam. She deserves to have some more pagetime imo. I get that her littermates are getting more scenes because of them being relevant to the plot (with Shadowsight being a former protagonist and Lightleap being Sunbeam's former bestie) but still want to see more of her (and Birchpaw) as well.
Loved seeing Sunbeam interact with her old Clanmates. Of course there was some tension there but they ultimately listened to her, believed her and then helped her.
Seeing Frostpaw blaming herself for how things went so wrong in RiverClan and in turn blaming the others for not listening to her breaks my heart. None of them are at fault for what lead to the downfall of RiverClan's leadership. It was a combination of many things, and that includes Curlfeather even though I understand why Frostpaw can't bear to think too much about her mother's betrayal (or her mother in general, after the reveal). Chapter Three (Frostpaw) I completely get Frostpaw's growing frustration with the lack of proper action against Splashtail. She's been telling everyone the truth since the previous book and even though a lot have listened and do believe her, there still is a lack of action in fear of war.
Although let's be real, if ThunderClan, ShadowClan, WindClan and SkyClan (that is, if Frostpaw manages to convince Leafstar in this book, which I'm sure she will) come together to stand against Splashtail, there really isn't much he could do except if he somehow still reveals his super secret power of maybe talking to dogs (the ones that mauled Curlfeather). But I doubt it at this point. And if/when Ivypool pulls up with her apparent new wildcat friends it's so over for him anyway. Maybe add the Sisters too so they can sit on him until he just gives up lmao.
Bye Icewing, I'll see you again soon when I get IH in the mail and can finally read it!
My first thought upon reading Berryheart's sudden entrance into the ShadowClan camp was: It's a damn trap! And of course it was like c'mon...
It's pretty sad that RiverClan is still on Splashtail's side though even after he killed Harelight in front of them. Then again, the old RiverClan in TDH was also on Tigerstar's side until after his death despite him ordering the execution of Stonefur, so there's that.
I sure hope someone saves the first patrol that went to help Berryheart before more cats get trapped on the island or someone actually drowns in the lake (poor Stonewing and Whorlpelt got pretty close to it).
Needless to say, Berryheart's not getting a redemption and I'm very happy about that. Can't wait to see her and Splashtail either die or get exiled. Preferably together so they can turn on each other. Problem solved. I do feel bad for Sunbeam again though. She was genuinely worried about her mother.
Although now I wonder how/if Frostpaw will ever trust any of her former Clanmates ever again (apart from her siblings and those who were on her side). Speaking of which, I lowkey hope that Graypaw and Mistpaw are the ones who help save the ShadowClan cats. Maybe they sneak out of camp during the night and start a rescue mission or something like that. Just spitballing ideas here. Already looking forward to the spoiler thread, can't wait to see this finale go down!
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 15, 2024 7:49:37 GMT -5
I really like some of the characterizations in this but... I do have some qualms. First off, love the description for Curlfeather, to me, she will always be the better villain here, and I think her character writing is fantastic. I do like that they gave Splashtail another pov chapter, because this is much better than the last one, explaining his behavior more, and his downward spiral. Also, there's more explaining as to why RiverClan is behaving the way they are because of him (but still doesn't excuse some of the other leaders and their inactions).
Hats off to Nightheart for doing something brave, like facing twolegs and dogs so blatantly, despite this arc hammering in just how much more dangerous they are lately. But he did it to distract them and help get the others away, risking his own safety.
I have a sense of pride for Sunbeam being able to talk about how happy she is about joining ThunderClan, I'm glad she doesn't regret her choice. I'm happy that her clanmates still care about her, even if they're stubborn, and how Cloverfoot and the others didn't even hesitate to help.
I will say I cringed a bit at Frostpaw's parts though. I understand she is angry, and considering what she's been through, it makes sense. But every time she went after Duskfur for unnecessary things it made me grimace. She literally is her grandmother and the mother of Curlfeather. If anyone knows what she's going through, it's her. So it felt jarring to see her intentionally get pointed at her. And blame her own former clanmates over Splashtail himself. And this isn't something she was doing unconsciously, Icewing quite blatantly tells her several times that the only one at fault here is Splashtail.
So again, I understand why she's the way she is in these scenes, but it doesn't mean I'm a fan of it. She's just pretty much taking her anger out on others, and that's not healthy. But this isn't enough for me to dislike her as a character, not even close, I'm hoping that she does develop past this eventually. I also liked how they emphasized that RiverClan needs to work on its own problems at the end of the day, and that's true.
On the other hand, I am absolutely fascinated by Icewing's character, and I love her relationship with Frostpaw. She's such a firm and sensible figure.
Berryheart and Gorseclaw were a real piece of work in this, but I'm enjoying them nonetheless. I do see how this will work out though, most likely Frostpaw will have to sneak off the island by swimming, at least that's my theory. On the other hand, poor Puddleshine, he's definitely going to be kept as a prisoner, yikes. And ShadowClan Camp will definitely be targeted, I just hope Cloverfoot can hold her own if that happens. I also hope that this FINALLY makes Squirrelflight do something. Her passiveness all arc has been irritating. Squirrelflight when Brambleclaw is leader: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND WE'RE COWARDS IF WE DON'T!!!
Squirrelflight when she is leader: Your call for help is extremely important to us, please hold until a representative is available After years of writing her as impulsive and quick to leap to action, why did the authors choose NOW to make her reluctant and timid 😭 girl is killing me
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Post by brightheartt on Sept 15, 2024 9:43:26 GMT -5
Squirrelflight when Brambleclaw is leader: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND WE'RE COWARDS IF WE DON'T!!!
Squirrelflight when she is leader: Your call for help is extremely important to us, please hold until a representative is available After years of writing her as impulsive and quick to leap to action, why did the authors choose NOW to make her reluctant and timid 😭 girl is killing me
I mean Tigerstar did something impulsive and it made everything worse. It is absolutely correct that change needs to come from RiverClan at this point rather than from an outside force. If she gets wind of ShadowClan being under attack from RiverClan then I would hope/imagine she would help ShadowClan. I just really think this is a scenario where she can’t win, if she doesn’t interfere with RiverClan (like Tigerstar already did) then she gets criticised, but I absolutely know that if she did start attacking Splashtail (and likely catapult the clans into war given how SkyClan have aligned themselves with Splashtail) she would get criticised too. Surely this is the better solution here? She can be impulsive for sure but not stupid. Why pursue a path that has already been proven to be ineffective and could lead to war? It would be political s**cide and she’s only just got her position. I can see her rushing to aid ShadowClan though, I would be surprised if she doesn’t do that.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 15, 2024 9:55:11 GMT -5
After years of writing her as impulsive and quick to leap to action, why did the authors choose NOW to make her reluctant and timid 😭 girl is killing me
I mean Tigerstar did something impulsive and it made everything worse. It is absolutely correct that change needs to come from RiverClan at this point rather than from an outside force. If she gets wind of ShadowClan being under attack from RiverClan then I would hope/imagine she would help ShadowClan. I just really think this is a scenario where she can’t win, if she doesn’t interfere with RiverClan (like Tigerstar already did) then she gets criticised, but I absolutely know that if she did start attacking Splashtail (and likely catapult the clans into war given how SkyClan have aligned themselves with Splashtail) she would get criticised too. Surely this is the better solution here? She can be impulsive for sure but not stupid. Why pursue a path that has already been proven to be ineffective and could lead to war? It would be political s**cide and she’s only just got her position. I can see her rushing to aid ShadowClan though, I would be surprised if she doesn’t do that. The issue is that she comes across as astoundingly hypocritical. Where was her concern for interfering when she was chewing Brambleclaw's ear off (rightfully, honestly) about how the clans needed to unite to throw Tigerheart out of Riverclan? Her whole campaigning position so to speak was predicated on the idea that negative peace was unsustainable, now she is perpetuating that same negative peace. Moreover, the situation with Tigerheart's invasion and this one are totally different. Tigerheart had zero support from inside Riverclan and just went and imposed himself there by force all the while Riverclan had barely done anything offensive to the other clans or even to itself. Now we have someone that everyone knows is a murderer in charge of Riverclan who is making Riverclan suffer even more than it was without a leader, all the while there are no less than 4 Riverclan cats begging for help from the other clans. Not only is the situation worse for Riverclan by itself, but there's also actual Riverclan cats requesting aid now too, including both of its medicine cats
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Post by brightheartt on Sept 15, 2024 10:04:33 GMT -5
I mean Tigerstar did something impulsive and it made everything worse. It is absolutely correct that change needs to come from RiverClan at this point rather than from an outside force. If she gets wind of ShadowClan being under attack from RiverClan then I would hope/imagine she would help ShadowClan. I just really think this is a scenario where she can’t win, if she doesn’t interfere with RiverClan (like Tigerstar already did) then she gets criticised, but I absolutely know that if she did start attacking Splashtail (and likely catapult the clans into war given how SkyClan have aligned themselves with Splashtail) she would get criticised too. Surely this is the better solution here? She can be impulsive for sure but not stupid. Why pursue a path that has already been proven to be ineffective and could lead to war? It would be political s**cide and she’s only just got her position. I can see her rushing to aid ShadowClan though, I would be surprised if she doesn’t do that. The issue is that she comes across as astoundingly hypocritical. Where was her concern for interfering when she was chewing Brambleclaw's ear off (rightfully, honestly) about how the clans needed to unite to throw Tigerheart out of Riverclan? Her whole campaigning position so to speak was predicated on the idea that negative peace was unsustainable, now she is perpetuating that same negative peace. Moreover, the situation with Tigerheart's invasion and this one are totally different. Tigerheart had zero support from inside Riverclan and just went and imposed himself there by force all the while Riverclan had barely done anything offensive to the other clans or even to itself. Now we have someone that everyone knows is a murderer in charge of Riverclan who is making Riverclan suffer even more than it was without a leader, all the while there are no less than 4 Riverclan cats begging for help from the other clans. Not only is the situation worse for Riverclan by itself, but there's also actual Riverclan cats requesting aid now too, including both of its medicine cats even though there are 4 cats that support Splashtail there are still 19 (if you exclude the little babies) that are still in the clan and accepting his orders. If a more significant portion of the clan managed to express that they weren’t happy then sure things would be different, like how Brokenstar exiled about half the clan . And also those 3 of those 4 have literally only just become exiled, Squirrelstar is not aware of them being exiled yet, she’s not even aware Harelight is dead, not to mention that there is currently attacks being launched in ShadowClan (that Squirrelstar is also not aware of), the RiverClan cats aren’t rebelling and fighting alongside the ShadowClan cats or anything as far as we know. If Squirrelstar or anyone went to depose Splashtail at this moment in time they would meet fierce resistance, these cats want a leader more than anything and Splashtail has stepped up is currently letting them get their revenge on ShadowClan. When the satisfaction of getting revenge has worn off and Splashtail starts going even further I can see things being different. But RiverClan as a whole would not be grateful for another clan coming in and deposing their leader now. Especially with Podlight backing him up.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 15, 2024 10:37:43 GMT -5
After years of writing her as impulsive and quick to leap to action, why did the authors choose NOW to make her reluctant and timid 😭 girl is killing me
I mean Tigerstar did something impulsive and it made everything worse. It is absolutely correct that change needs to come from RiverClan at this point rather than from an outside force. If she gets wind of ShadowClan being under attack from RiverClan then I would hope/imagine she would help ShadowClan. I just really think this is a scenario where she can’t win, if she doesn’t interfere with RiverClan (like Tigerstar already did) then she gets criticised, but I absolutely know that if she did start attacking Splashtail (and likely catapult the clans into war given how SkyClan have aligned themselves with Splashtail) she would get criticised too. Surely this is the better solution here? She can be impulsive for sure but not stupid. Why pursue a path that has already been proven to be ineffective and could lead to war? It would be political s**cide and she’s only just got her position. I can see her rushing to aid ShadowClan though, I would be surprised if she doesn’t do that. I think my problem is that "getting criticized" has never stopped Squirrelflight in the past from doing something that she thought was right. Even when she was in a position of political power as deputy, and could have (and did) cause political ramifications, it didn't stop her. That's why I'm annoyed that the authors chose now to flip this integral personality trait of hers on its head. It feels born out of need to keep the plot going rather than something that makes sense for her character.
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Post by 🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 on Sept 15, 2024 11:58:49 GMT -5
I mean Tigerstar did something impulsive and it made everything worse. It is absolutely correct that change needs to come from RiverClan at this point rather than from an outside force. If she gets wind of ShadowClan being under attack from RiverClan then I would hope/imagine she would help ShadowClan. I just really think this is a scenario where she can’t win, if she doesn’t interfere with RiverClan (like Tigerstar already did) then she gets criticised, but I absolutely know that if she did start attacking Splashtail (and likely catapult the clans into war given how SkyClan have aligned themselves with Splashtail) she would get criticised too. Surely this is the better solution here? She can be impulsive for sure but not stupid. Why pursue a path that has already been proven to be ineffective and could lead to war? It would be political s**cide and she’s only just got her position. I can see her rushing to aid ShadowClan though, I would be surprised if she doesn’t do that. I think my problem is that "getting criticized" has never stopped Squirrelflight in the past from doing something that she thought was right. Even when she was in a position of political power as deputy, and could have (and did) cause political ramifications, it didn't stop her. That's why I'm annoyed that the authors chose now to flip this integral personality trait of hers on its head. It feels born out of need to keep the plot going rather than something that makes sense for her character. Exactly. That character trait is something that makes up Squirrelflight(star)’s character. Her being leader should enhance it, it’s one of the things that makes her interesting to read about.
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Sept 15, 2024 12:32:05 GMT -5
I really like some of the characterizations in this but... I do have some qualms. First off, love the description for Curlfeather, to me, she will always be the better villain here, and I think her character writing is fantastic. I do like that they gave Splashtail another pov chapter, because this is much better than the last one, explaining his behavior more, and his downward spiral. Also, there's more explaining as to why RiverClan is behaving the way they are because of him (but still doesn't excuse some of the other leaders and their inactions).
Hats off to Nightheart for doing something brave, like facing twolegs and dogs so blatantly, despite this arc hammering in just how much more dangerous they are lately. But he did it to distract them and help get the others away, risking his own safety.
I have a sense of pride for Sunbeam being able to talk about how happy she is about joining ThunderClan, I'm glad she doesn't regret her choice. I'm happy that her clanmates still care about her, even if they're stubborn, and how Cloverfoot and the others didn't even hesitate to help.
I will say I cringed a bit at Frostpaw's parts though. I understand she is angry, and considering what she's been through, it makes sense. But every time she went after Duskfur for unnecessary things it made me grimace. She literally is her grandmother and the mother of Curlfeather. If anyone knows what she's going through, it's her. So it felt jarring to see her intentionally get pointed at her. And blame her own former clanmates over Splashtail himself. And this isn't something she was doing unconsciously, Icewing quite blatantly tells her several times that the only one at fault here is Splashtail.
So again, I understand why she's the way she is in these scenes, but it doesn't mean I'm a fan of it. She's just pretty much taking her anger out on others, and that's not healthy. But this isn't enough for me to dislike her as a character, not even close, I'm hoping that she does develop past this eventually. I also liked how they emphasized that RiverClan needs to work on its own problems at the end of the day, and that's true.
On the other hand, I am absolutely fascinated by Icewing's character, and I love her relationship with Frostpaw. She's such a firm and sensible figure.
Berryheart and Gorseclaw were a real piece of work in this, but I'm enjoying them nonetheless. I do see how this will work out though, most likely Frostpaw will have to sneak off the island by swimming, at least that's my theory. On the other hand, poor Puddleshine, he's definitely going to be kept as a prisoner, yikes. And ShadowClan Camp will definitely be targeted, I just hope Cloverfoot can hold her own if that happens. I also hope that this FINALLY makes Squirrelflight do something. Her passiveness all arc has been irritating. Squirrelflight when Brambleclaw is leader: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND WE'RE COWARDS IF WE DON'T!!!
Squirrelflight when she is leader: Your call for help is extremely important to us, please hold until a representative is available Don’t forget the follow-up 2 books later where she returns with: their struggling to find the original request in the system. Please hold for the next technical advisor, to help you retrieve your lost information.
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Post by streamflower on Sept 16, 2024 13:45:22 GMT -5
Some thoughts about Squirrel -- Lots of people are commenting on her suddenly being reluctant to do things -- I believe this might be for a number of reasons.
1) It's entirely possible that now that she's in the position to be in charge of so many cats she's reluctant to risk her clanmates lives. When it's just her putting her life on the line it's one thing, but if she were to die, or if her clanmates were to die, that risk would fall solely on her.
2) Another possibility is just that she's more cautious because of the lives she received from Starclan. It's entirely possible that she received a life for Caution/being careful, and as a result is taking that lesson to heart. After all, if she felt the consequences of a lack of caution and applied it to her clanmates it could make her do a 180. Consider what happened with Onestar -- he was friendly with Thunderclan, became leader, and did a 180 in terms of personality towards them as a result.
3) A final possibility -- Maybe Squilf never actually received her 9 lives, and her and Bramble are just playing along. As a result she might be more reluctant to risk her life if she only has one, especially considering how tumultuous a time it is in the clans right now.
4) More of a joking possibility, but it could just be bad writing. Warriors is unfortunately far from immune when it comes to this. I dunno if any of these would explain the personality shift entirely, but these are just some guesses.
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