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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 13:59:03 GMT -5
I feel like Thunder would make such a fun villain because he’d start out really composed and put together and stuff and just absolutely spiral later on when things do not go the direction he wanted I am almost certain that when he doesn’t become leader, he’s gonna blame Puddleheart and want him dead, which good luck buddy, you can’t kill him, he’s protected by the gods but I’m sure you’ll come up with some sort of idea
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 13:59:23 GMT -5
I need villian thunder cause I still have theories for him Oh?? Well now I wanna know your theories
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 13:59:35 GMT -5
I already love manipulative Thunder but villain Thunder would be really cool
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 14:03:08 GMT -5
I feel like Thunder would make such a fun villain because he’d start out really composed and put together and stuff and just absolutely spiral later on when things do not go the direction he wanted I am almost certain that when he doesn’t become leader, he’s gonna blame Puddleheart and want him dead, which good luck buddy, you can’t kill him, he’s protected by the gods but I’m sure you’ll come up with some sort of idea He can't kill him but maybe he and those loyal to him can try to make Puddleheart look bad in some way? So the clan starts to doubt him?
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Post by Ember34 on Jul 3, 2024 14:08:14 GMT -5
I need villian thunder cause I still have theories for him Oh?? Well now I wanna know your theories 1. He had something to do with the flood 1a. Either purposely pissed off the gods 1b. Gave an offering to Okeaneos for him to do the flood Reason: just wanted either leader or deputy dead so he could try get the deputy position/both dead for the games to happen so he could win them Misrly cause the whole innocently smiled thing he had going was so suspicious 2. I headcanon he killed fignose and used the flood to cover it up as he was unsure if laurel died
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 14:11:31 GMT -5
I feel like Thunder would make such a fun villain because he’d start out really composed and put together and stuff and just absolutely spiral later on when things do not go the direction he wanted I am almost certain that when he doesn’t become leader, he’s gonna blame Puddleheart and want him dead, which good luck buddy, you can’t kill him, he’s protected by the gods but I’m sure you’ll come up with some sort of idea He can't kill him but maybe he and those loyal to him can try to make Puddleheart look bad in some way? So the clan starts to doubt him? Honestly it probably wouldn’t be hard to do, Puddleheart is so young and isn’t even clanborn, so I feel like there’s plenty to work with thereAdditionally, I wouldn’t put it past Thunder to try and turn one of the gods against him and send some sort of creature that could kill him, but we’ll see how that goes
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 14:13:02 GMT -5
Oh?? Well now I wanna know your theories 1. He had something to do with the flood 1a. Either purposely pissed off the gods 1b. Gave an offering to Okeaneos for him to do the flood Reason: just wanted either leader or deputy dead so he could try get the deputy position/both dead for the games to happen so he could win them Misrly cause the whole innocently smiled thing he had going was so suspicious 2. I headcanon he killed fignose and used the flood to cover it up as he was unsure if laurel died Oooo these are some solid theories I hadn’t previously considered him killing Fig and making it look like it was the flood’s fault, but ngl I’m 👀 intrigued by this. I’d be down for making it canon?
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Post by Ember34 on Jul 3, 2024 14:17:57 GMT -5
Oooo yes!!
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 14:20:20 GMT -5
Tbh, Thunder probably thought Fignose was a bad fit for deputy for some reason, or maybe he was fine with him but when the storm hit, he believed it was a sign from the gods for some reason I don’t think he caused the storm but I do think he took it as a sign that he was meant to become the next leader and Fignose was unfortunately in the way
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 14:23:25 GMT -5
Love it. As for potential allies, Cloudpaw would absolutely support him. If what he does fits her vision of what's best for MyrtleClan she'll do anything to help him succeed. As for my other cats, I doubt any of them would be swayed to his side. Cedarfrost likes him well enough and respects him but as soon as he notices that there's something wrong he'll oppose him
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Post by Ember34 on Jul 3, 2024 14:25:11 GMT -5
I'll get replies for my cats in a bit hard to with how much work I was left with by the produce manager that I'm throwing hands at next time I see her(left me with three pallets of truck)
But I'll have to think if any of my cats would support him
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 14:29:43 GMT -5
Love it. As for potential allies, Cloudpaw would absolutely support him. If what he does fits her vision of what's best for MyrtleClan she'll do anything to help him succeed. As for my other cats, I doubt any of them would be swayed to his side. Cedarfrost likes him well enough and respects him but as soon as he notices that there's something wrong he'll oppose him See, Cedarfrost knows what’s up But also I do love the idea of Cloud supporting him, Thunder would also listen to what she thinks is best for the clan and either agree or make sure she thought he agreed and would see it happen
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 14:30:14 GMT -5
I'll get replies for my cats in a bit hard to with how much work I was left with by the produce manager that I'm throwing hands at next time I see her(left me with three pallets of truck) But I'll have to think if any of my cats would support him Oof, fight the produce manager, I believe in you, you can take her
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Post by Junospower on Jul 3, 2024 14:32:09 GMT -5
Rain is open to some light manipulation, but he’d figure it out he’s being manipulated pretty quickly but probably won’t say anything until Thunder gets in pretty deep into his villain arc. But who would believe an apprentice (or newest warrior, depending on when it starts to go down) saying such things about a great warrior?
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 14:32:11 GMT -5
Thunder knows how to keep his allies close. Yup, love him as a villain. As for Cloud's ideas, we'll see what she thinks. Just keep in mind that she doesn't have the best morals. For example, she thinks the 'no killing' part of the warrior code to be idiotic
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 14:34:19 GMT -5
See I know that during the first plot, Thunder is gonna be putting on his very best face to win over as much of the clan as possible so he can become leader
I don’t see his mask starting to slip until afterwards, when he isn’t leader and starts to get really bitter about that, so that’s likely be when things begin to slip
Until then though, he’s happy to tell cats exactly what they want to hear and smile and be charming and manipulate his way to victory
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 14:36:33 GMT -5
Oh, and Bright might be open to some manipulation too. He is a bit naive and unless Thunder is being openly evil he might not notice anything. So going by what you describe there is a chance he could be swayed to his side. Until Thunder shows his true colors. Then he'd be the first to go against him, maybe even going so far as to attack him if he thinks Thunder is a danger to the clan. Bright can be a bit reckless sometimes
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Post by Ember34 on Jul 3, 2024 14:58:37 GMT -5
I probably could, had three older brothers so I know how to throw hands
As for my cats I know for sure ones that couldn't be manipulated are: Pikepaw, Archsong, Ivypaw(though might follow if fawn and flicker do), Silverflower, Wolfpaw, Fletchlingtail
Ones that could be manipulated: Parselyleap(very head empty), Mintpaw(literally give him a leaf and he will agree to anything), Volestalk,Poppyshine(will be able to manipulate but once he starts to see thunders true colors he will switch sides)
Replies soon though, manager left for the day so I'll be able to probably take time to type up stuff
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 15:07:57 GMT -5
If we need more supporters for Thundersnap I could bring in Thorn/Thornfang. Most of the time he's just a rogue who hates the clans but in the Ivy/Willow rp he used to be a Ivyclan warrior. He killed two of his clanmates and made it look like a fox killed them, then he joined the rogue band. He's very ambitious and might side with Thunder at first (if I bring him in) but at some point he'd still turn against him. But not because Thunder is bad but because Thorn wants to be leader himself. So I guess he'd just use Thunder to get what he wants and turn against him once he has outlived his usefulness. But I think he wouldn't succeed, Thunder seems to be much smarter than Thorn
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 15:19:59 GMT -5
I know out of my own cats, Thunder really tries to manipulate Puddle but clearly that doesn’t work since Thunder doesn’t become leader Fawn would probably be manipulated a bit until his mask drops, same with Goose I doubt Moth would be manipulated though, Pearl might? Idk I need to flesh her out more Honey won’t be manipulated though, and neither will Sable
I’m open to however many cats wanna join his little ~following~ loyal or not, I know he’s focused mostly on the fighters, hunters, and scouts, but also he wants to manipulate an entertainer because he also knows that the entertainers paint the pictures and tell the stories that sway the clan, and he wants to make sure he’s painted in a good light
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 15:22:42 GMT -5
Side note, I love Rainpaw comparing himself to a duck
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Post by Junospower on Jul 3, 2024 15:27:34 GMT -5
Can’t stay away from the water, therefore duck
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 15:28:29 GMT -5
If I do bring in Thornfang he'd definitely be a fighter. He's all about strength. But yea, makes sense for Thunder to also want at least one entertainer on his side. Yup, he's one smart cat
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 15:34:02 GMT -5
Can’t stay away from the water, therefore duck Rainpaw, the secret duck amongst the clan
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 15:35:13 GMT -5
If I do bring in Thornfang he'd definitely be a fighter. He's all about strength. But yea, makes sense for Thunder to also want at least one entertainer on his side. Yup, he's one smart cat Thorn being a fighter makes a lot of sense, he seems like the fighter type Also, I’m pretty sure Thunder’s gonna try to play with Sagekit a bit too and be like “you’ll make such a good fighter one day” because everyone loves a cat who’s nice to kits
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jul 3, 2024 15:35:47 GMT -5
As for entertainers, Ember34, you mentioned Vole could be manipulated, so I wonder if Thunder tries to get her on his side?
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 15:36:01 GMT -5
Rainpaw would probably get along with another one of my ocs, Foxwhisper. He loves the water, likes to fish and absolutely loves to swim. If he were in this rp he'd definitely have Okeaneos as one of his favorite gods
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 3, 2024 15:37:24 GMT -5
Thorn being a fighter makes a lot of sense, he seems like the fighter type Also, I’m pretty sure Thunder’s gonna try to play with Sagekit a bit too and be like “you’ll make such a good fighter one day” because everyone loves a cat who’s nice to kits And Sagekit would like him a lot for it. He loves it when the older cats play with him and teach him some cool moves
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Post by Ember34 on Jul 3, 2024 15:42:45 GMT -5
Yep Vole could easily be manipulated, she loved the spotlight/compliments/performing so like easy to manipulate
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Post by Ember34 on Jul 3, 2024 15:59:56 GMT -5
Okay but the idea of having pikepaw unknowingly supporting her father's murderer sounds like a really fun and tempting thing to do with her
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