Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Currently sick with the flu...
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Dec 28, 2023 17:49:35 GMT -5
The whole "Bramblestar was abusive to Squirrelflight" debate has been around for quite some time (ever since Squirrelflight's Hope came out in 2019 to be more exact). It has lead to lots of arguing and divide in the fandom as well as multiple threads on here and video essays on Youtube. Most threads on the forums discussing the BrambleSquirrel relationship issues have had to be locked due to some people arguing and being disrespectful to each other. So it would probably be best to not start things up again seeing as it often just doesn't end well and means more work for the mods to clean up because people usually have strong opinions on this matter due to being attached to either or both characters in some way. I've been moderating this forum since 2016. By all means, that doesn't mean I know everything, but at this point, the mod team know Bramble x Squirrel arguments like the back of our hands. In my opinion, some discussions that are about Bramblestar x Squirrelflight tend to end up with the same results. People take things too literally or personally. This is normal, we're all human-- we've done this ourselves plenty of times. However, it doesn't mean people need to grow heated (angry) with each other. They may be characters from a book series and people may want to defend one side... but that doesn't matter. What matters is how people treat each other. Even though tone is difficult to read, people need to take a moment and think before acting irrationally. And this post was probably a waste of my time... Oh, I very much agree. And just thought lotus seemed a tad worked up about this reddit poll they mentioned in their post that I quoted regarding BrambleSquirrel discourse from two years ago (which did not really have much to do with the topic of this thread since that is moreso about Squirrel's new role in ASC as well as her character in general, not her already much discussed relationship with her mate and whether or not it's abusive). Not really sure about that last paragraph, to be honest. Do you mean your own post? Because I certainly did not think it to be a waste of time since it's important to remind people about how to conduct themselves in online fandom discourse. Or did you mean my post? Was it reported or breaking forum rules? If so, I apologize. Genuinely cannot tell, sorry about that.
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Post by Sand on Dec 28, 2023 18:06:02 GMT -5
I've been moderating this forum since 2016. By all means, that doesn't mean I know everything, but at this point, the mod team know Bramble x Squirrel arguments like the back of our hands. In my opinion, some discussions that are about Bramblestar x Squirrelflight tend to end up with the same results. People take things too literally or personally. This is normal, we're all human-- we've done this ourselves plenty of times. However, it doesn't mean people need to grow heated (angry) with each other. They may be characters from a book series and people may want to defend one side... but that doesn't matter. What matters is how people treat each other. Even though tone is difficult to read, people need to take a moment and think before acting irrationally. And this post was probably a waste of my time... Oh, I very much agree. And just thought lotus seemed a tad worked up about this reddit poll they mentioned in their post that I quoted regarding BrambleSquirrel discourse from two years ago (which did not really have much to do with the topic of this thread since that is moreso about Squirrel's new role in ASC as well as her character in general, not her already much discussed relationship with her mate and whether or not it's abusive). Not really sure about that last paragraph, to be honest. Do you mean your own post? Because I certainly did not think it to be a waste of time since it's important to remind people about how to conduct themselves in online fandom discourse. Or did you mean my post? Was it reported or breaking forum rules? If so, I apologize. Genuinely cannot tell, sorry about that. yeah, I agree with that. It's a fair point to let someone know about how that topic is spoken of here. I meant my own post, sorry!
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Omnisexual
Fernflower
I forgot how amazing Firestar is
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Post by Fernflower on Dec 29, 2023 0:25:01 GMT -5
Somehow, I like and dislike Squirrelflight, but I wouldn't say I'm neutral on her? I like her because she was one of my faves as a kid. I never thought of her as annoying; I enjoyed her personality a lot. She makes me feel nostalgic. I've grown to dislike her recently. She gets too much attention, both from the fandom and the authors. Other cats deserve some time in the spotlight, but instead we've gotten two arcs that focus on her as much as the protagonists... and now she's leader on top of that? I wish I still liked her as much as I did in the past, but having her shoved in my face for two arcs is making me grow tired of her.
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Post by Fireleap on Dec 29, 2023 0:27:40 GMT -5
I'm so so tired of her.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 29, 2023 1:20:10 GMT -5
Hate. Both as a character and how she's written.
She's severely stagnant, barely developing for years. She's shown time and time again why she shouldn't be in positions of power. She's irrational, and thinks too much with her heart instead of her head. She has an annoying "My way or the highway" complex.
TNP shows she's a wayward brat who's indecisive and unreasonable. POT and OotS shows that she's unloyal and willing to cover up lies. SqH showed that she can't listen to orders, constantly undermining authority. TBC shows that she puts her needs over the needs of many, selfishly. ASC so far has shown that she STILL hasn't changed.
Nothing she's done, to me, has shown that she deserves her current position, and it honestly just feels like it was handed to her because she's Firestar's daughter, and popular. Personally, I found her behavior in general, and especially toward Bramble, to be downright more repulsive in the long run. And I'm saying this as someone who used to like her, but after re-reading the books and seeing her constantly shoved into the spotlight, I've lost so much interest in her character. I feel like even as an elder she'll take all the spotlight from the new protagonist.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 29, 2023 10:54:28 GMT -5
I can get why people like her, as she’s admittedly a pretty complex character. But I’ve never personally liked her much from her first introduction because she reminds me a lot of people I’ve met IRL and don’t get along with.
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 29, 2023 20:48:09 GMT -5
I like Squirrelflight, but she needs to retire.
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Bisexual
#64C7FF
Name Colour
finland
Porgs are love
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Post by finland on Jan 21, 2024 16:23:32 GMT -5
I wish we got Hollystar instead
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Post by moongloweevee on Jan 21, 2024 18:33:44 GMT -5
As someone who grew up reading the Redwall series, I wish Squirrelflight got the Mattimeo treatment that she grew up on, ya know, a life changing journey. Instead, she's a very immature character who never grew out of the 'I have to be right and everyone else is wrong' phase. I hate her mostly because of what her character could have been and the fact the writer's keep shoving her to the center of the spotlight in every. single. arc.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jan 21, 2024 22:46:47 GMT -5
love her she's amazing ...... favourite character tied w/ nightstar
as a leader i think she'll be way more likeable than the past few ^_^
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Heterosexual
Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jan 22, 2024 1:09:25 GMT -5
im surprised squirrel is getting a high amount of hate. from what i know shes heavily liked. The same goes for bramble he is hated on really badly.. which shouldn't be the case because they're both pretty bad. then again i basically just joined the forums so i really dont know much about your opinion or if im wrong in the matter. feel free to correct me on anything. Nah. She’s 50:50 in terms of love/hate relationship by the fandom
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Post by Nettle on Jan 22, 2024 1:53:04 GMT -5
I hate her. And I can't believe someone would vote 'love'. Like, I'm sick of hearing her being a 'girl boss' or 'queen' because NO. She's an awful cat, and she'd be a worse leader. Perhaps Ivypool might act as a good deputy and help her out, but she's really old, and should retire even before becoming leader. She should just retire. #Molewhisker4deputy
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Post by ✮ sagesight ✮ on Jan 22, 2024 2:21:08 GMT -5
when she was first introduced she was fine but she slowly got more and more annoying to me..
she’s apparently a leader now so idrk how to feel, i kind of only just started re-reading the warriors series and i never got that far into the books
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Post by Jaysnow on Jan 22, 2024 18:06:17 GMT -5
She's really mediocre as a character. Her arc is okay but it's nothing crazy, and her personality is not something that grabs my interest. I still think that some people worship her far too much but that doesn't personally affect how I feel about her, that more so affects how I feel about that crowd. However, I do not like that she became leader. I don't necessarily hate it, I think it could be interesting to see how she'll lead ThunderClan, but I think it's annoying that the older characters are still getting the spotlight like this. I really hope she isn't leader for the next like, three arcs. I'd rather see Ivystar sooner than later.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 22, 2024 18:43:38 GMT -5
I love her. I just have such a soft spot for her in my heart. She is incredibly flawed and complex, but that makes me love her more. God, I love Clear Sky, why shouldn't I be able to love Squirrelflight?
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Bisexual
#64C7FF
Name Colour
finland
Porgs are love
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Post by finland on Jan 22, 2024 20:55:11 GMT -5
im surprised squirrel is getting a high amount of hate. from what i know shes heavily liked. The same goes for bramble he is hated on really badly.. which shouldn't be the case because they're both pretty bad. then again i basically just joined the forums so i really dont know much about your opinion or if im wrong in the matter. feel free to correct me on anything. Nah. She’s 50:50 in terms of love/hate relationship by the fandom I feel like it’s especially true here
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jan 22, 2024 23:21:12 GMT -5
Nah. She’s 50:50 in terms of love/hate relationship by the fandom I feel like it’s especially true here People aren't bold enough to say they dislike her on other platforms. Considering they'd be torn apart by her stans. Which is ridiculous because at the end of the day these are just fictional children's cat books lol
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Post by Mintystem on Jan 29, 2024 4:18:14 GMT -5
I personally love Squirrelflight, she's been my favorite character for a long time. Her strong and loud personality was very inspiring to me when I was a young teen. However, I do agree that it is time for her to go, I hope she stays this arc but that she dies early the next (if it takes place in the future)
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jan 30, 2024 0:18:31 GMT -5
me sleeping peacefully knowing that "love her" is winning
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Genderfluid
Cloud
resident Tribe of Rushing Water enthusiast
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Post by Cloud on Jan 30, 2024 0:31:03 GMT -5
I get why people like her, that's fine. You guys do you.
I'd rather basically anyone else that isn't her.
But if I had to pick, I'd rather her sister tbh.
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Post by Nettle on Jan 30, 2024 1:14:50 GMT -5
me sleeping peacefully knowing that "love her" is winning *me who's been awake ever since 'love' was in the lead* YOU LITTLE- [jk
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Post by Cherrystream on Jan 30, 2024 10:32:15 GMT -5
I like her definitely, but I think she's too old to be leader. If I was writing the books, I would have had Squirrelflight train a new leader, maybe Lilyheart??? Or Poppyfrost?? I just don't think Squirrelstar should be leader due to her age, she's maybe like a year and a half or two years younger than Brambleclaw and he was leader for a WHILE. (Plus out of her and Leafpool, I prefer Leafpool)
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Post by کیوان on Jan 30, 2024 17:56:02 GMT -5
Common Leafpool W
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Post by Nettle on Jan 30, 2024 18:04:56 GMT -5
#IVYSTAR 2024 #MOLEWHISKER4DEPUTY2024
Honestly, I just love Molewhisker ever since his apprentice ceremony when he literally told Firestar he didn't want to become an apprentice because Firestar only wanted him to do the worst jobs like collecting moss, tick duty, and just wow. Love that little guy and he deserves deputy.
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Bisexual
#64C7FF
Name Colour
finland
Porgs are love
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Post by finland on Jan 31, 2024 8:49:25 GMT -5
#IVYSTAR 2024 #MOLEWHISKER4DEPUTY2024 Honestly, I just love Molewhisker ever since his apprentice ceremony when he literally told Firestar he didn't want to become an apprentice because Firestar only wanted him to do the worst jobs like collecting moss, tick duty, and just wow. Love that little guy and he deserves deputy. He's underrated
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Pixie
2024 is already bad; 2025 will be my year fr
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Post by Pixie on Jan 31, 2024 10:34:08 GMT -5
I feel like I have the memory of a goldfish because it's been years since I've read other Warriors books and the opinions I have of characters diminish into neutrality. I'm always surprised when people have strong opinions because I always tend to forget actions. My fatal flaw I guess is when I read a book, I legit like forget 70% of what happened. EDIT: I never read Squirrelflight's Hope and have no plans on doing so. Anyways, my general opinion of Squirrelflight leans towards like.
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Post by iceheart on Jan 31, 2024 13:54:46 GMT -5
I like her. I will forever believe that her character was completely retconned by the new editing team. I like her sense of justice and compassion, and she's a flawed character. I was a bit irritated at her in TNP for her distrust of Hawkfrost - I mean, she ends out being right, but besides the fact - and I love the bond between her and her sister.
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