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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Nov 26, 2023 14:18:59 GMT -5
I just watched Bright Guardians Akira’s new video, and I have a few complaints with it. First: Having only ten of the cats. I get not using the field guide characters, but you’re not going to include Owlstar? We know that he was a great leader, because he did great as acting deputy when Thunderstar and lightning tail walked away to their deaths in TE. Just got me a little annoyed. Second: Putting Redstar at the bottom. The video is about how good of a leader he is for his clan, if I’m not mistaken. I’m sure that it was a dumb mistake and he learned to regret it, but in Battles of the Clans he seemed pretty chill with his brother and the kits asking for stories. I’m pretty sure he’s a good leader. Third: Bramblestar ranked at seventh. The reason was because of Squirrelflights hope, but then she mentioned BrS and AVoS when he proved to be a very good leader. Fourth: Ranking Squirrelflight at third. BGA states that she “held thunderclan together” while the impostor head Bramblestars body in DW. This convinced me that she didn’t really read that book. Five cats seriously consider leaving thunderclan and go on a wander, and two of them become kittypets. Fights are constantly being picked with her deputy, Lionblaze, and Squirrelflight is brought down by every clan except for Shadowclan in the killing Bramblestars body debate of 2020. Yeah, I’ve got some problems with the video, but I can’t help but agree that Firestar is in first.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 26, 2023 14:49:58 GMT -5
Added spoiler tag for ASC since the video contains spoilers for Thunder.
I was just in the middle of watching this lol.
Not surprised that Squirrelstar is ranked high considering that BGA is a big fan of hers. I like her too but would certainly rank her lower as well due to the events in TBC. Certainly behind Bluestar who was a pretty good leader until her mental decline in the latter half of TPB (and how wrong she treated Brightheart in ADP).
Brambleclaw (whom I also like) was a rather mid leader overall. He had good moments and bad moments but overall is still just quite average.
As long as Firestar is in first place, I'm happy though, he's just awesome <3
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Post by Katanaheart on Nov 26, 2023 15:09:06 GMT -5
I feel like I’d rank the field guide leaders as well. Morningstar of ThunderClan was a leader with good intentions and likely would have thrived in the more peaceful modern times.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Nov 26, 2023 16:14:37 GMT -5
“Held the clan together”
Had five cats leave Thunderclan, two of them permanently.
That’s not holding the clan together… :/
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 26, 2023 16:36:00 GMT -5
To be fair, we never officially saw Owlstar's time as leader. Or acting deputy, for that matter, we only have Violet Dawn's word for it. Obviously there's no reason to doubt her, but at least with Squirrelflight, we saw how she handled things. I'm not sure I understand the complaint about Redstar, though; ranking videos are worst to best lists by nature and the exact wording Akira used was, "We've seen ten leaders over the years, and in this video, I'll be ranking them worst to best, based on how good of a leader they were." That doesn't mean only focusing on a leader's good traits, and regardless of how good Redstar was towards his own Clan, he still contributed to the banishment of another. His own only saving grace was taking in Birdflight and her kits, but even then, he's still technically partially at fault for a family getting separated in the first place. Honestly, Bramblestar has always been pretty mid imo. Even disregarding his actions in SqH, he still took the advice of a cat he barely knew even if it had turned out to be a good thing in the long run, agreed to separate Twigkit and Violetkit without putting up much of a fight, chose to remain neutral on the issue between ShadowClan and SkyClan even as the situation escalated, and if I recall correctly, occasionally gave Alderheart trouble over not listening to him. And as for Squirrelstar, I'm not surprised she's up so high, but yeah, no, she was terrible as acting leader. Maybe she'll be better this time around now that Brambleclaw has retired and she clearly cares deeply about the issue regarding RiverClan, so we'll see if this proves to be a good thing or not.
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Post by Hollyfall on Nov 26, 2023 16:47:50 GMT -5
This is nitpicky of me, but it seems weird to include Squirrelflight's tenure as acting leader, but not other ones we've seen like Lionblaze's, Graystripe's, or Ashfur's. With the former I guess you could argue he was only leader for like, a day at most, but the other two were leading ThunderClan for a substantial amount of time. Ashfur's tyranny in particular still has an effect in the present day.
I do agree Squirrel is too high. Maybe it will change when we see more of her leadership now that she's an official leader. She could have been worse, sure, but she wasn't that great as their acting leader.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 26, 2023 16:55:31 GMT -5
This is nitpicky of me, but it seems weird to include Squirrelflight's tenure as acting leader, but not other ones we've seen like Lionblaze's, Graystripe's, or Ashfur's. I thought it was weird too, but I guess it's because Squirrelflight actually became leader while the other three never really did.
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Post by Hollyfall on Nov 26, 2023 17:05:25 GMT -5
This is nitpicky of me, but it seems weird to include Squirrelflight's tenure as acting leader, but not other ones we've seen like Lionblaze's, Graystripe's, or Ashfur's. I thought it was weird too, but I guess it's because Squirrelflight actually became leader while the other three never really did. Fair point
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Post by flipwish on Nov 26, 2023 20:35:42 GMT -5
I don't think I could remember how I felt about his leadership in brs if I tried because it's been so long and it was such a very very average book but I actively remember bramble being a spineless loser in avos so like tbhsies I think it's fair to rank him low even just in the (fairly isolated from overall Bramble discourse) question of "well is he at least a good leader". As much as I don't like him I wouldn't rank him as the WORST of the worst, but like, yeah, he's really not great
field guide characters should always be included though obviously because the bestest thunderclan leader ever is lionstar from code of the clans. I am 100% serious about this and would never lie about fictional cats
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 26, 2023 22:21:59 GMT -5
I don't think I could remember how I felt about his leadership in brs if I tried because it's been so long and it was such a very very average book but I actively remember bramble being a spineless loser in avos so like tbhsies I think it's fair to rank him low even just in the (fairly isolated from overall Bramble discourse) question of "well is he at least a good leader". As much as I don't like him I wouldn't rank him as the WORST of the worst, but like, yeah, he's really not great field guide characters should always be included though obviously because the bestest thunderclan leader ever is lionstar from code of the clans. I am 100% serious about this and would never lie about fictional cats Yeah, Brambleclaw was kind of a lame leader even pre SH. His behavior in AVOS consisted of generally getting pushed around on topics he shouldn't have been pushed around in.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 26, 2023 22:30:44 GMT -5
I don't think I could remember how I felt about his leadership in brs if I tried because it's been so long and it was such a very very average book but I actively remember bramble being a spineless loser in avos so like tbhsies I think it's fair to rank him low even just in the (fairly isolated from overall Bramble discourse) question of "well is he at least a good leader". As much as I don't like him I wouldn't rank him as the WORST of the worst, but like, yeah, he's really not great field guide characters should always be included though obviously because the bestest thunderclan leader ever is lionstar from code of the clans. I am 100% serious about this and would never lie about fictional cats Yeah, Brambleclaw was kind of a lame leader even pre SH. His behavior in AVOS consisted of generally getting pushed around on topics he shouldn't have been pushed around in. As a leader, I kinda feel like Bramblestar gets a bit too much credit than what he actually deserves. Considering his whole arc in BrS revolved around him trying to be too much like Firestar, especially in regards to helping other Clans, his behavior from AVoS onwards almost feels direct like a response to that, like he's so desperate to separate himself from Firestar that he comes off as a pushover in the process. It's almost sad, really.
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Post by tollfarok on Nov 27, 2023 7:26:35 GMT -5
Pinestar: "Despite Doestar warning him that his care for Tigerkit was the only thing that would stop him destroying ThunderClan. Like he could've retired to the elders' den and still watched over Tigerkit, but it's clear he didn't care. And was only interested in securing the best life for himself. "
This actually made me so angry. It might be because I adore Pinestar, but his novella goes against everything that she said?? I would personally not want to stay around my son when God keeps telling to kill him. Akira and Moon make my skin crawl with all the misinformation they spread all the time
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 27, 2023 10:45:09 GMT -5
Pinestar: "Despite Doestar warning him that his care for Tigerkit was the only thing that would stop him destroying ThunderClan. Like he could've retired to the elders' den and still watched over Tigerkit, but it's clear he didn't care. And was only interested in securing the best life for himself. " This actually made me so angry. It might be because I adore Pinestar, but his novella goes against everything that she said?? I would personally not want to stay around my son when God keeps telling to kill him. Akira and Moon make my skin crawl with all the misinformation they spread all the time While he does end up dreaming of StarClan telling him to kill Tigerkit later on and this is indeed something that's left out, I wouldn't exactly call the statement misinformation either, at least not completely. Then there's also the fact that Pinestar never once reflects on the contradiction as well as whether or not the second warning even came from StarClan at all, but that's a different topic entirely.
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Nov 27, 2023 12:53:22 GMT -5
My ranking, using the chosen leaders:
10. Redstar 9. Oakstar 8. Doestar 7. Pinestar 6. Squirrelstar (putting her low since we don't have enough info) 5. Thunderstar 4. Bramblestar 3. Bluestar 2. Sunstar 1. Firestar
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 27, 2023 14:10:08 GMT -5
Eh. It’s not really surprising that Squirrelflight was ranked so high given the fact BGA favors her character in general.
I agree that Bramble was a great deputy but made a very mid leader.
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