Pansexual
Medicine cat
Nettle
woof woof
Pronouns: She/her, They/them.
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Post by Nettle on Nov 18, 2023 4:04:54 GMT -5
Honestly, even though I always kind of respected Jayfeather, he's begun to annoy me. For one, he's been given to much power (thanks to the user that said that in my other thread that reminded me of this) Second of all, he's stupidly rude to everyone for no reason, I mean, I know he is blind, but like, that's not really a reason to be so salty to everyone??? And lastly, everyone is so sympathetic on him, like, he's perfectly fine, he's very well capable of healing the sick or injured through being blind. It's just like, everyone's trying to help him because he's blind and he just gets so mad even knowing they're just trying to help him, grow up much??
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2023 5:32:54 GMT -5
You're not wrong. Hit the nail on the head, actually. A lot of people think his rude personality is just "amusing" but it's not, and he doesn't get enough slack for it. I see him treat other characters horrendously and he just gets away with it because people think it's funny or "people used to baby him so it's okay". It actually needs to be addressed by the fandom that, sure, he's a pretty consistently written character, but that doesn't mean the character writing is necessarily good. Because it's not. For Warriors? Sure, it's pretty good. But that doesn't mean it's actually good. His character is boring and when I do have a reaction to his scenes it's usually out of annoyance because he's just a toxic individual.
Yes he used to get babied by his Clanmates but that hasn't happened in, like, 6 or 7 in-book years. Or maybe it has, I don't know. But the point is that he's one of the most well-respected members of his Clan, one of the most well-respected medicine cats, or cats in general, and he experiences some bullying from another cat he barely knows and acts like that makes it okay to take it out on every single cat around him. No, the babying and the belittling isn't okay, but it doesn't excuse his behaviour that he hasn't worked on since kithood. If anything, the Clans excusing his actions is babying in itself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 13:20:52 GMT -5
You're not wrong. Hit the nail on the head, actually. A lot of people think his rude personality is just "amusing" but it's not, and he doesn't get enough slack for it. I see him treat other characters horrendously and he just gets away with it because people think it's funny or "people used to baby him so it's okay". It actually needs to be addressed by the fandom that, sure, he's a pretty consistently written character, but that doesn't mean the character writing is necessarily good. Because it's not. For Warriors? Sure, it's pretty good. But that doesn't mean it's actually good. His character is boring and when I do have a reaction to his scenes it's usually out of annoyance because he's just a toxic individual.
Yes he used to get babied by his Clanmates but that hasn't happened in, like, 6 or 7 in-book years.Or maybe it has, I don't know. But the point is that he's one of the most well-respected members of his Clan, one of the most well-respected medicine cats, or cats in general, and he experiences some bullying from another cat he barely knows and acts like that makes it okay to take it out on every single cat around him. No, the babying and the belittling isn't okay, but it doesn't excuse his behaviour that he hasn't worked on since kithood. If anything, the Clans excusing his actions is babying in itself. this.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Nov 20, 2023 15:38:38 GMT -5
As a fan of Jayfeather (he's my third fav of the LeafCrow kits because I just like his two more violent littermates, Hollyleaf and Lionblaze a tad more lol), I do think that his rudeness can certainly be hurtful instead of amusing at times (such as with Twigkit in AVoS).
What one needs to keep in mind when it comes to his brand of rudeness though, is the fact that it is in large part the result of his blindess having lead to him being forced to become a medicine cat and becoming understandably bitter on his part over that. He was forced to become a medicine cat despite wanting to be a warrior in PoT, after all. Yes, in the end he decided to do it but that was only after Firestar had given him a cat for a mentor that was not working out for him (no shade to Brightheart, sis tried her best) and StarClan (Spottedleaf) pressuring him into it by saying it was his destiny to become a medicine cat and he just needed to accept it. Of course, being blind is not an excuse to be rude to others. But being treated differently because of that disability is a pretty good reason to at least be a little salty over unfair treatment or outright ableism by some cats around him over something that he cannot even control.
In regards to him being also rude to cats that are sympathetic towards him, I think Jayfeather moreso sees it as them pitying him and that's just not something he wants even though most really are just trying to genuinely help him out.
Of course, this is not meant to change your mind on him or anything. You're free to dislike him or find him annoying and rude (he is indeed rude, after all). Just offering my perspective on the matter.
His dad is Crowfeather though, who is very rude himself so it might just be genetic /hj
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Pansexual
Medicine cat
Nettle
woof woof
Pronouns: She/her, They/them.
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Post by Nettle on Nov 20, 2023 23:49:04 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm kind of sick of how he treats Leafpool and Squirrelflight. Of course, I could never excuse what they did to he and his siblings, it was bad to pretend he had a mother and father in Thunderclan, but honestly, I'm really sick of hearing how rude he is to Squirrelflight and Leafpool, just grow up. Life happens and honestly, he's just given up on trying to forgive them after everything they did to try and protect him, Lionblaze and Hollyleaf. It was bad and terrible, that they lied but he needs to see that him being mad at them isn't helping anyone, and he isn't going to feel better being mad at them. ((Feel free to correct me if they made up I can't recall if that happened.))
I also hate how he's just so rude to everyone for no real reason. I get that it's hard when people baby you, but they're just trying to help you, and if you can't see that obviously you shouldn't get any help at all. He can even see that, but he chooses to ignore it like some spoiled brat. His rudeness basically goes unnoticed, and people act like it's just normal when it shouldn't be.
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Post by tollfarok on Nov 21, 2023 3:30:09 GMT -5
I really liked him in POT, but he fell off after that. I do get that being bitter/rude/whatever his personality trait is is a big part of his character, but he's just very frustrating after a while. It especially makes me mad when he refuses to act normally towards Alderpaw. Like to the point where he's anxious/scared of his own mentor. That just really pissed me off, and I know that he does get better after that, but I can't shake that off. And I'll never shut up about the lost stars bonus scene. That scene is one of the best thing written, still showing jay's emotional side, that he's not always "cruel". He's got some sympathy points from me for that
Butttt I 100% stand by the fact that he's only not dead yet is because he's so popular
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Bisexual
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finland
Porgs are love
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Post by finland on Nov 23, 2023 20:54:31 GMT -5
Heβs been flanderised
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