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Nov 17, 2023 3:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 3:37:31 GMT -5
i just reread avos and i really liked finleap- but i remembered that most hate him. could i ask why? i thought he was an ass at moments, but he seemed to genuinely grow up and apologize. but, could i hear some other opinions !
finished raging storm, nvm y’all he icks me out. what is with the writing making him a kit-obsessed ass?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 17, 2023 3:42:44 GMT -5
He tries pressuring Twigbranch into having kits with him just so he'll feel like he'll belong in ThunderClan, threatens to return to SkyClan when she refuses to give him what he wants, and then accuses her of being in love with Tree. The fact that this behavior literally came completely out of nowhere makes it worse.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 17, 2023 6:25:58 GMT -5
He tries pressuring Twigbranch into having kits with him just so he'll feel like he'll belong in ThunderClan, threatens to return to SkyClan when she refuses to give him what he wants, and then accuses her of being in love with Tree. The fact that this behavior literally came completely out of nowhere makes it worse. Heavily this. Even if they made up, it was still incredibly gross in my eyes and that behaviour even happening at all is not okay. For me, the relationship would've been done there on the spot. Twigbranch's response was really good, she's a way better person than me cause I would've been tearing his fur off. Them making up never made much sense to me.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 17, 2023 8:57:53 GMT -5
He tries pressuring Twigbranch into having kits with him just so he'll feel like he'll belong in ThunderClan, threatens to return to SkyClan when she refuses to give him what he wants, and then accuses her of being in love with Tree. The fact that this behavior literally came completely out of nowhere makes it worse. Heavily this. Even if they made up, it was still incredibly gross in my eyes and that behaviour even happening at all is not okay. For me, the relationship would've been done there on the spot. Twigbranch's response was really good, she's a way better person than me cause I would've been tearing his fur off. Them making up never made much sense to me. It really would've been better if Twigbranch hadn't forgiven him at the end, or had at least set some boundaries first.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 17, 2023 9:57:31 GMT -5
I know he apologized and that’s good but I guess he just still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. It’s fine if others like him but I just can’t
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Post by valleylight on Nov 17, 2023 10:44:39 GMT -5
Finleap is a problem for me because his characterization is so poorly done. He is written more inconsistently in the latter half of AVoS than just about any cat I can think of, from book to book.
In his debut, he’s funny and kind, but also struggles with bitterness and self-pity. He needs to grow a lot as a cat. But he still reads as a fairly mature near-adult, as if he’s almost finished with his training (which he ought to be, given that he’s a little bit older than Twigbranch.) Then in River of Fire, he comes across as almost a completely different cat— he bounces around and chatters like a naive, brand-new apprentice. He presents like a wide-eyed, heart-of-gold little kid. The difference was bizarre to me. It makes his relationship with Twigbranch uncomfortable, since she’s so much more mature than him out of nowhere. And then he’s a totally different cat again in The Raging Storm— this time a self-centered, jealous, and fretful tom who lacks empathy for Twigbranch.
It’s like the writers didn’t communicate any unified vision for his character with one another, and it makes it harder to like him when he’s basically three different cats. I could see his character in Book 4 developing into Book 6, but it’s a complete non sequitur because of Book 5. And that makes his behavior in the last installment even more jarring and hard to read.
I do like him as a character in future arcs, though. He’s supportive of Twigbranch, stands up for her and his other Clanmates, and is one of the few cats to proactively speak out against Brashstar’s tyranny early on.
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Post by Pixie on Nov 17, 2023 11:57:24 GMT -5
Finleap is a problem for me because his characterization is so poorly done. He is written more inconsistently in the latter half of AVoS than just about any cat I can think of, from book to book. In his debut, he’s funny and kind, but also struggles with bitterness and self-pity. He needs to grow a lot as a cat. But he still reads as a fairly mature near-adult, as if he’s almost finished with his training (which he ought to be, given that he’s a little bit older than Twigbranch.) Then in River of Fire, he comes across as almost a completely different cat— he bounces around and chatters like a naive, brand-new apprentice. He presents like a wide-eyed, heart-of-gold little kid. The difference was bizarre to me. It makes his relationship with Twigbranch uncomfortable, since she’s so much more mature than him out of nowhere. And then he’s a totally different cat again in The Raging Storm— this time a self-centered, jealous, and fretful tom who lacks empathy for Twigbranch. It’s like the writers didn’t communicate any unified vision for his character with one another, and it makes it harder to like him when he’s basically three different cats. I could see his character in Book 4 developing into Book 6, but it’s a complete non sequitur because of Book 5. And that makes his behavior in the last installment even more jarring and hard to read. I do like him as a character in future arcs, though. He’s supportive of Twigbranch, stands up for her and his other Clanmates, and is one of the few cats to proactively speak out against Brashstar’s tyranny early on. Finleap from DN, how treasured you were.
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Post by oatwhisker on Nov 17, 2023 12:41:24 GMT -5
finleap hateclub, assemble!! but in all seriousness, he is a terrible character and doesn't deserve twigbranch. most points i have for disliking him have already been said- he's manipulative, sulky, pouty, jealous, inconsistiently written, immature, and pressured twigbranch to have kits. he acted like a toddler when he didnt get exactly what he wanted, and, iirc, threatened to leave thunderclan after that incident? he is a severely underdeveloped character, and honestly didn't get enough backlash from twigbranch and his clanmates for acting as selfishly as he did. i dislike him very much, and just in general he's very icky- they should've broken up. twigbranch deserves a medal for putting up with him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 14:35:06 GMT -5
He tries pressuring Twigbranch into having kits with him just so he'll feel like he'll belong in ThunderClan, threatens to return to SkyClan when she refuses to give him what he wants, and then accuses her of being in love with Tree. The fact that this behavior literally came completely out of nowhere makes it worse. Heavily this. Even if they made up, it was still incredibly gross in my eyes and that behaviour even happening at all is not okay. For me, the relationship would've been done there on the spot. Twigbranch's response was really good, she's a way better person than me cause I would've been tearing his fur off. Them making up never made much sense to me. agreed, they just.. ruined him? i don’t understand why he acted like that in raging storm, what an ass.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 14:35:54 GMT -5
finleap hateclub, assemble!! but in all seriousness, he is a terrible character and doesn't deserve twigbranch. most points i have for disliking him have already been said- he's manipulative, sulky, pouty, jealous, inconsistiently written, immature, and pressured twigbranch to have kits. he acted like a toddler when he didnt get exactly what he wanted, and, iirc, threatened to leave thunderclan after that incident? he is a severely underdeveloped character, and honestly didn't get enough backlash from twigbranch and his clanmates for acting as selfishly as he did. i dislike him very much, and just in general he's very icky- they should've broken up. twigbranch deserves a medal for putting up with him i don’t like how he switched up? he was so sweet as a ‘paw and then suddenly he started to want kits and pressure twigbranch into wanting them- very manipulative
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Nov 17, 2023 14:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 14:37:07 GMT -5
Finleap is a problem for me because his characterization is so poorly done. He is written more inconsistently in the latter half of AVoS than just about any cat I can think of, from book to book. In his debut, he’s funny and kind, but also struggles with bitterness and self-pity. He needs to grow a lot as a cat. But he still reads as a fairly mature near-adult, as if he’s almost finished with his training (which he ought to be, given that he’s a little bit older than Twigbranch.) Then in River of Fire, he comes across as almost a completely different cat— he bounces around and chatters like a naive, brand-new apprentice. He presents like a wide-eyed, heart-of-gold little kid. The difference was bizarre to me. It makes his relationship with Twigbranch uncomfortable, since she’s so much more mature than him out of nowhere. And then he’s a totally different cat again in The Raging Storm— this time a self-centered, jealous, and fretful tom who lacks empathy for Twigbranch. It’s like the writers didn’t communicate any unified vision for his character with one another, and it makes it harder to like him when he’s basically three different cats. I could see his character in Book 4 developing into Book 6, but it’s a complete non sequitur because of Book 5. And that makes his behavior in the last installment even more jarring and hard to read. I do like him as a character in future arcs, though. He’s supportive of Twigbranch, stands up for her and his other Clanmates, and is one of the few cats to proactively speak out against Brashstar’s tyranny early on. this sums it up very well, i js can’t get over how he switched to being so manipulative. it’s so disgusting, i do think he grew but it still feels bizarre.
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Post by pepperflake on Nov 17, 2023 15:50:02 GMT -5
Finleap is my boi. I know he needed to take a chill pill and calm down about the kit situation however it is coming from a place of love. He wanted to fit in sure, but he loves twigbranch and wants to start a family. I can overlook the rest. Not everyone can do that and that’s fine.
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Nov 17, 2023 19:44:44 GMT -5
Post by oatwhisker on Nov 17, 2023 19:44:44 GMT -5
finleap hateclub, assemble!! but in all seriousness, he is a terrible character and doesn't deserve twigbranch. most points i have for disliking him have already been said- he's manipulative, sulky, pouty, jealous, inconsistiently written, immature, and pressured twigbranch to have kits. he acted like a toddler when he didnt get exactly what he wanted, and, iirc, threatened to leave thunderclan after that incident? he is a severely underdeveloped character, and honestly didn't get enough backlash from twigbranch and his clanmates for acting as selfishly as he did. i dislike him very much, and just in general he's very icky- they should've broken up. twigbranch deserves a medal for putting up with him i don’t like how he switched up? he was so sweet as a ‘paw and then suddenly he started to want kits and pressure twigbranch into wanting them- very manipulative honestly valid. his character was so interesting and had so much potential, but it kinda went splat once he started yapping about kits
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Nov 19, 2023 0:44:13 GMT -5
Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 19, 2023 0:44:13 GMT -5
finleap hateclub, assemble!! but in all seriousness, he is a terrible character and doesn't deserve twigbranch. most points i have for disliking him have already been said- he's manipulative, sulky, pouty, jealous, inconsistiently written, immature, and pressured twigbranch to have kits. he acted like a toddler when he didnt get exactly what he wanted, and, iirc, threatened to leave thunderclan after that incident? he is a severely underdeveloped character, and honestly didn't get enough backlash from twigbranch and his clanmates for acting as selfishly as he did. i dislike him very much, and just in general he's very icky- they should've broken up. twigbranch deserves a medal for putting up with him i don’t like how he switched up? he was so sweet as a ‘paw and then suddenly he started to want kits and pressure twigbranch into wanting them- very manipulative he was bound to change as a person since apprenticeship but i agree he was a pretty manipulative cat
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2023 0:45:47 GMT -5
i don’t like how he switched up? he was so sweet as a ‘paw and then suddenly he started to want kits and pressure twigbranch into wanting them- very manipulative he was bound to change as a person since apprenticeship but i agree he was a pretty manipulative cat yeah, i js thought the change was so abrupt. left me with whiplash aha 😭
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Nov 19, 2023 2:45:43 GMT -5
He just got done dirty by the writing team Pretty much this. They ran out of shit to make Twigbranch's problem for the final book so they made her boyfriend an incel for exactly the duration of the book, and then reverted him to normal once they didn't need a conflict for her anymore. Yeah, cool story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2023 5:29:04 GMT -5
He just got done dirty by the writing team Pretty much this. They ran out of shit to make Twigbranch's problem for the final book so they made her boyfriend an incel for exactly the duration of the book, and then reverted him to normal once they didn't need a conflict for her anymore. Yeah, cool story. pretty much summed up the erin’s writing style
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Post by Katanaheart on Nov 19, 2023 11:29:45 GMT -5
I found their conversation when discussing the situation to be fairly mature, especially with how some other couples can communicate very poorly within the series. Not to mention it’s been at least twelve+ moons in canon and FinTwig remains kitless. (Enough time for her sister’s children to be warriors and then Nightheart to be at least over twelve moons in the current arc.)
Finleap has respected her wishes since their argument and showed great concern over her when Ashfur was holding punishment over her head. I may dislike Twigbranch a lot as a pov character but outside of the ending books of AVOS, they’re a fairly healthy couple since Twigbranch lost her main character status.
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Post by {Azure} on Nov 19, 2023 11:42:34 GMT -5
i think it's mostly the erin's fault, since they just needed an irrelevant side plot *cough cough velvet cough*
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Post by arkkflip on Nov 20, 2023 0:12:01 GMT -5
Finleap is my boi. I know he needed to take a chill pill and calm down about the kit situation however it is coming from a place of love. He wanted to fit in sure, but he loves twigbranch and wants to start a family. I can overlook the rest. Not everyone can do that and that’s fine. oh boy..... no........ he literally threatened to go back to his clan when Twigbranch said she wasn't ready. Like; look, I understand he wanted to start a family. But.... He needs to care about his mates desicion first, but instead he just kept pressuring her and guilt-tripping her into giving him want he wants. So, no.... it isn't coming from a place of love....
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2023 5:37:32 GMT -5
Finleap is my boi. I know he needed to take a chill pill and calm down about the kit situation however it is coming from a place of love. He wanted to fit in sure, but he loves twigbranch and wants to start a family. I can overlook the rest. Not everyone can do that and that’s fine. oh boy..... no........ he literally threatened to go back to his clan when Twigbranch said she wasn't ready. Like; look, I understand he wanted to start a family. But.... He needs to care about his mates desicion first, but instead he just kept pressuring her and guilt-tripping her into giving him want he wants. So, no.... it isn't coming from a place of love.... To quote Twigbranch directly; "you're supposed to love me, not the family I might give you". This confirms that even she thought that he was just thinking of having kits and not at all what she might want. If even the in-text characters think the same way as we do, you know the character has messed up bad. And she was completely right, too. He loved the family she could give him. Not her. Sure, he might have loved her later, but in that period of time, he didn't think of her at all. He just thought of having kids with her. That's not how you treat a mate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 13:40:17 GMT -5
My brain went: Finleap vs Bramblestar
Don't ask why, I care for neither for these characters.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 20, 2023 13:50:05 GMT -5
Finleap is my boi. I know he needed to take a chill pill and calm down about the kit situation however it is coming from a place of love. He wanted to fit in sure, but he loves twigbranch and wants to start a family. I can overlook the rest. Not everyone can do that and that’s fine. Except that's not how love works. At all. If your partner tries to pressure you into doing something you don't want to do, regardless if it's having children or something else, that's a huge red flag right there. There's a reason why alot of people found Bumblestripe's behavior disturbing, too. Finleap should've taken no for an answer the first time! Even Ivypool and Fernsong worked out a compromise, but Twigbranch just didn't want any kits at all, especially when she'd just become a warrior by that point after so long and was still training an apprentice on top of everything else. He should've respected that. And yeah, it's great he turned his life around after Twigbranch rightfully called him out, but this really shouldn't have happened at all.
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Post by Jaysnow on Nov 20, 2023 13:50:38 GMT -5
He just got done dirty by the writing team Pretty much this. They ran out of shit to make Twigbranch's problem for the final book so they made her boyfriend an incel for exactly the duration of the book, and then reverted him to normal once they didn't need a conflict for her anymore. Yeah, cool story. Let's not forget about her being a total d*** to her poor apprentice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 14:17:00 GMT -5
Pretty much this. They ran out of shit to make Twigbranch's problem for the final book so they made her boyfriend an incel for exactly the duration of the book, and then reverted him to normal once they didn't need a conflict for her anymore. Yeah, cool story. Let's not forget about her being a total d*** to her poor apprentice. her actions to flypaw was absolutely shocking and disgusting. finleap pointed out how she was dealt with the same shit when she was an apprentice and she was like “that’s different!” like no it is not☠️
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 20, 2023 14:24:09 GMT -5
hand shaking meme but its bumblestripe and finleap shaking over “erins destroying your characterization with inconsistent incel behavior”
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Nov 20, 2023 14:32:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 14:32:12 GMT -5
hand shaking meme but its bumblestripe and finleap shaking over “erins destroying your characterization with inconsistent incel behavior” it rlly begs the question of why- like these are perfectly great characters but they need to add in drama so they drastically shart on them
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Nov 20, 2023 20:56:46 GMT -5
hand shaking meme but its bumblestripe and finleap shaking over “erins destroying your characterization with inconsistent incel behavior” At least it was "only" one book for Finleap and he remains a standup guy for the rest. Bumblestripe just keeps crossing the line between "bland but nice guy" and "pathetic slimeball" depending on who's writing him.
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