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𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙
𝙼𝚘𝚘𝚛 𝚁𝚞𝚗𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚜 𝚜𝚞𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚘𝚛.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 23, 2023 10:55:05 GMT -5
Every time something like this happens, I feel bad for the mods. Thank you for putting up with Warriors General’s nonsense <3
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Heterosexual
#64c1a0
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𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙
𝙼𝚘𝚘𝚛 𝚁𝚞𝚗𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚜 𝚜𝚞𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚘𝚛.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 23, 2023 10:59:48 GMT -5
Shifting the topic back to Bramblestar, I’ve really been enjoying his character so far this arc- it’s interesting seeing how the events of TBC have affected him. Hopefully he (and Squirrelfight too) get to finally rest soon- they’ve already been through so much. I’m not a big fan of either character (mostly just neutral) but this arc really makes me want to see them just living a quiet and happy life in their old age. They’re like, what, 10+ years old?? Why are they making great-grandma and grandpa lead the clan I really just want to see Bramble and Squirrel chilling in the background as elders without any issues going on. That would be a nice way to wrap up their stories.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Nov 23, 2023 11:42:52 GMT -5
That's the one thing I don't understand is how they can show how traumatized Bramble is, but not show how traumatized Squirrelflight is. I suppose Bramble's is a little more... invasive, considering he was possessed, but she was also dragged into cat hell and chased around/coveted by her awful stalker ex.
I don't believe the books have confirmed this, but I always interpreted Squirrelflight's actions in this arc as a sort of trauma response. She desperately wants ThunderClan to be united and have a strong front, since she experienced Ashfur's tyranny firsthand and how divided ThunderClan was under her leadership, but Bramblestar's mental health isn't helping that. She's trying to regain control of her Clan's image. Hence why in River, she was offended by Crowfeather's comments during the conversation at WindClan's camp, even though Crowfeather meant well, and why she undermined Bramblestar.
Doesn't necessarily make her behaviour right, but it does explain it. Much of Ashfur's actions were in relation to her, and there's a line in A Light in the Mist where she implies she feels responsible. Bramble and Squirrel are both still reeling from last arc, but they both have radically different coping mechanisms. Yeah, I'm starting to see everyone's point. Maybe Squirrelflight trying to overcompensate is a trauma response. I feel like that's more of a reason for her to retire. Let her and Bramble be an old married couple in the elder's den please.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 11:54:12 GMT -5
I don't believe the books have confirmed this, but I always interpreted Squirrelflight's actions in this arc as a sort of trauma response. She desperately wants ThunderClan to be united and have a strong front, since she experienced Ashfur's tyranny firsthand and how divided ThunderClan was under her leadership, but Bramblestar's mental health isn't helping that. She's trying to regain control of her Clan's image. Hence why in River, she was offended by Crowfeather's comments during the conversation at WindClan's camp, even though Crowfeather meant well, and why she undermined Bramblestar.
Doesn't necessarily make her behaviour right, but it does explain it. Much of Ashfur's actions were in relation to her, and there's a line in A Light in the Mist where she implies she feels responsible. Bramble and Squirrel are both still reeling from last arc, but they both have radically different coping mechanisms. Yeah, I'm starting to see everyone's point. Maybe Squirrelflight trying to overcompensate is a trauma response. I feel like that's more of a reason for her to retire. Let her and Bramble be an old married couple in the elder's den please. this 😭it’s so unnecessary to make her leader NOW
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Aroace
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2023 12:32:12 GMT -5
I've been saying that ASC should end with BrambleSquirrel at peace in the elders' den ever since the new arc started. Before that in TBC, I was convinced they'd both get killed off at the end of that arc, which didn't happen. So them retiring together is the next best thing to ensure other characters (including older and newer protagonists) finally get more spotlight instead of it so often still focusing them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 12:40:38 GMT -5
I've been saying that ASC should end with BrambleSquirrel at peace in the elders' den ever since the new arc started. Before that in TBC, I was convinced they'd both get killed off at the end of that arc, which didn't happen. So them retiring together is the next best thing to ensure other characters (including older and newer protagonists) finally get more spotlight instead of it so often still focusing them. it would be soooo cute too, like imagine they have old people banter as their kits are like “ugh they’re always like this” with happiness in their eyes bc they’re finally free from stress after constant fights spanning the books
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Aroace
#ffa100
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Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2023 12:50:50 GMT -5
I've been saying that ASC should end with BrambleSquirrel at peace in the elders' den ever since the new arc started. Before that in TBC, I was convinced they'd both get killed off at the end of that arc, which didn't happen. So them retiring together is the next best thing to ensure other characters (including older and newer protagonists) finally get more spotlight instead of it so often still focusing them. it would be soooo cute too, like imagine they have old people banter as their kits are like “ugh they’re always like this” with happiness in their eyes bc they’re finally free from stress after constant fights spanning the books True. They sort of already even had cute banter like this in Thunder when they were reminiscing about the past. But it too then sadly got overshadowed/derailed by them having yet another argument (the one Nightheart witnessed between them). I have never liked BrambleSquirrel as a romantic couple and never will (still wish they had either never gotten together or at least stayed broken up after BrS) but if they are going to keep these two together, the least the writers could do is make them at least be happy with each other at this point in their old age and to also have less fights going on between them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 12:52:50 GMT -5
it would be soooo cute too, like imagine they have old people banter as their kits are like “ugh they’re always like this” with happiness in their eyes bc they’re finally free from stress after constant fights spanning the books True. They sort of already even had cute banter like this in Thunder when they were reminiscing about the past. But it too then sadly got overshadowed/derailed by them having yet another argument (the one Nightheart witnessed between them). I have never liked BrambleSquirrel as a romantic couple and never will (still wish they had either never gotten together or at least stayed broken up after BrS) but if they are going to keep these two together, the least the writers could do is make them at least be happy with each other at this point in their old age. that’s perfectly understandable, they’re a guilty pleasure ship of mine but i can understand why people don’t like them. i love how stupid they are and they have moments which really melt my heart
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Aroace
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
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Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2023 13:03:31 GMT -5
True. They sort of already even had cute banter like this in Thunder when they were reminiscing about the past. But it too then sadly got overshadowed/derailed by them having yet another argument (the one Nightheart witnessed between them). I have never liked BrambleSquirrel as a romantic couple and never will (still wish they had either never gotten together or at least stayed broken up after BrS) but if they are going to keep these two together, the least the writers could do is make them at least be happy with each other at this point in their old age. that’s perfectly understandable, they’re a guilty pleasure ship of mine but i can understand why people don’t like them. i love how stupid they are and they have moments which really melt my heart The main reason why I never liked them as a ship has to do with them reminding me of my own parents' often volatile and largely dysfunctional relationship. Even before BrambleSquirrel got officially together in TNP, I used to read about their fights as a tween while my parents were in the next room arguing with each other almost every night. It just made me averse to seeing relationships like this as cute or wholesome in any way. Even though I'm very much aware that arguing with each other is a part of every relationship, excessive amounts of it just don't feel particularly healthy to me due to those personal experiences. And yes, I know these are just overdramatic battle cats from a children's book series at the end of the day and that it's really not that deep lol.
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Post by Katanaheart on Nov 23, 2023 13:05:42 GMT -5
Bramblestar and Squirrelflight as elders mean neither of them are never in camp because they’re off frolicking, hunting, or just enjoying the territory that they discovered.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Nov 23, 2023 13:33:23 GMT -5
Sorry! Slept in! Moving all posts to holding. So just fyi to anyone thinking that ProBoards might take issue, angelpaw1, you are the only one cursing people out. If you actually wanted to make a case, you should have brought it to the mods. And yes, they were banned, but for reference. Cleaning in progress, so if we drop pages, that's why. Proceed as normal.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Nov 23, 2023 13:41:13 GMT -5
'lright! All gone. For connivence sake, I'm also going to remove some of the Moonkittie posts, just so this doesn't get picked up later.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 13:54:32 GMT -5
'lright! All gone. For connivence sake, I'm also going to remove some of the Moonkittie posts, just so this doesn't get picked up later. thank you!!!
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Nov 23, 2023 13:56:34 GMT -5
Aaaand done with that too, unless Sand wants to weed anything else. So feel free to tag either of us if something else pops up. Thanks for the patience.
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 24, 2023 22:59:40 GMT -5
I feel like I've missed something somewhere *squints*
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 23:02:05 GMT -5
I feel like I've missed something somewhere *squints* a person was spamming curse words bc this thread criticized certain youtubers ig
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 24, 2023 23:12:17 GMT -5
Welp, I'm a bit sad I missed that drama lol.
I really started a campfire not expecting a forest fire lol.
How is your essay coming along btw? No pressure, just genuinely curious and excited to read it when you're done!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 23:13:36 GMT -5
Welp, I'm a bit sad I missed that drama lol. I really started a campfire not expecting a forest fire lol. How is your essay coming along btw? No pressure, just genuinely curious and excited to read it when you're done!! hah 😭i may have contributed some gasoline to the campfire, sorry ab that lol. it’s been coming along-ish! i’ve been doing college applications so once i finish i can finally go back to working on it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2023 14:44:11 GMT -5
HOW HAVE I NOT POSTED ON THIS THREAD??? I COULDVE SWORN I HAD BY NOW?? Anyways— it’s not like I was gonna say much. I like Moonkitti and Akira, both of them are very talented YouTubers, but both of them also need to realize that not just Bramblestar is bad, not just Squirrelflight is bad, but BOTH OF THEM ARE BAD. The fandom needs to realize this too. SquirrelBramble is toxic on both ends, and at this point it doesn’t matter which end is worse. Also Silverpaw I’ve been wanting to read your essay for awhile but can’t carve out time for it, hopefully I’ll be able too soon! would you like me to pm it to you? :3 and no worries lol it’s 75 pages so it’s stupidly long 😭😭😭
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Pansexual
myusernameis
"A warrior never blames his Clanmates for his own mistakes, Lionpaw."
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Post by myusernameis on Nov 25, 2023 15:25:39 GMT -5
Honestly this fandom need moves on this topic mainly *cough* tumbler, twitter, youtuber *cough* they act like squilf never does anythingng wrong
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Aroace
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“Do you remember…the 21st night of September?”
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Nov 25, 2023 15:46:54 GMT -5
HOW HAVE I NOT POSTED ON THIS THREAD??? I COULDVE SWORN I HAD BY NOW?? Anyways— it’s not like I was gonna say much. I like Moonkitti and Akira, both of them are very talented YouTubers, but both of them also need to realize that not just Bramblestar is bad, not just Squirrelflight is bad, but BOTH OF THEM ARE BAD. The fandom needs to realize this too. SquirrelBramble is toxic on both ends, and at this point it doesn’t matter which end is worse. Also Silverpaw I’ve been wanting to read your essay for awhile but can’t carve out time for it, hopefully I’ll be able too soon! would you like me to pm it to you? :3 and no worries lol it’s 75 pages so it’s stupidly long 😭😭😭 Yes please do. just be warned when I get caught reading a battle cats essay during a boring math class it’s on you😊
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2023 15:56:22 GMT -5
would you like me to pm it to you? :3 and no worries lol it’s 75 pages so it’s stupidly long 😭😭😭 Yes please do. just be warned when I get caught reading a battle cats essay during a boring math class it’s on you😊 oopsie 😞😞😞😞 !!!
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 26, 2023 23:57:53 GMT -5
Welp, I'm a bit sad I missed that drama lol. I really started a campfire not expecting a forest fire lol. How is your essay coming along btw? No pressure, just genuinely curious and excited to read it when you're done!! hah 😭i may have contributed some gasoline to the campfire, sorry ab that lol. it’s been coming along-ish! i’ve been doing college applications so once i finish i can finally go back to working on it I don't think so, thats just my personal opinion lol. I think some people got a bit *sensitive* instead of just not engaging with the thread, they did. That's all good! Are you reading through the books as you're doing the essay as well?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 0:02:05 GMT -5
hah 😭i may have contributed some gasoline to the campfire, sorry ab that lol. it’s been coming along-ish! i’ve been doing college applications so once i finish i can finally go back to working on it I don't think so, thats just my personal opinion lol. I think some people got a bit *sensitive* instead of just not engaging with the thread, they did. That's all good! Are you reading through the books as you're doing the essay as well? that first part i agree w wholeheartedly. i’ve actually read the books like 3 times?? i js forget important details so im rereading. i’ve already finished up to AVOS so now i’m doing any super editions and tbc/asc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 9:33:27 GMT -5
I definitely think he deserves better from the fandom. Just got my first hate comment abt that a few days ago actually - “stop defending abusers!” Lmfao, I slapped their ass so hard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 9:37:03 GMT -5
I’m so glad I don’t watch or listen to either Akira or Moonkitti. Squirrelflight is just as abusive if not more so than Bramblestar. Bramblestar deserves better from the fandom as does Nightheart. I don’t have anything against Squirrelflight and am neutral on her as a character but I am against her fans holding rose colored glasses over everything she does and constantly going after poor Bramblestar. I’m also neutral on Squirrelflight though I think I like her a bit more when I really think about it. And you’re right, Nightheart does deserve better from the fandom - most posts about him are about how “whiny and annoying” he is. I mean, they’re right, but that’s what a I like about him.
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Post by iceheart on Dec 1, 2023 9:54:01 GMT -5
It honestly feels to me that people are so entreched in online discourse that it's starting to dilute their perceptions of what an actual problem is. At the end of the day, they are fictional characters who do not exist. They are cats. This fandom - on every platform, not just Twitter and Tumblr - is full of "you just have an opinion I disagree with, you are a fundamentally horrible person who supports abuse." Everything is made into an intrinsic matter of morality instead of an issue of knowledge, perspective, or context. It's a simplistic and unforgiving way of thinking. These characters are fictional. They do not exist. They are not real. The failure to distinguish between fiction and reality is a serious concern. Clinging to such an absolutist view in discussions about fictional narratives is ridiculous. People need to step and remember that these are just stories at the end of the day. Allowing fictional content to dictate real-world interactions to such an extent is neither healthy nor rational.
Also, we've been through this argument so many times, and it's really getting tiring. We keep getting worked up over things that happen in stories, involving characters that aren't even real. We need to remember that these are just stories. There's no point in arguing so much about them. It's important to remember that it's okay for people to have different ideas about these stories and characters. Just because someone thinks differently doesn't mean they're wrong or bad. We should listen to each other and respect that everyone sees things in their own way. Arguing and getting angry doesn't help anyone. Let's be kind to each other, agree to disagree sometimes, and enjoy these stories in our own ways.
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Post by yuki on Dec 1, 2023 13:01:56 GMT -5
It honestly feels to me that people are so entreched in online discourse that it's starting to dilute their perceptions of what an actual problem is. At the end of the day, they are fictional characters who do not exist. They are cats. This fandom - on every platform, not just Twitter and Tumblr - is full of "you just have an opinion I disagree with, you are a fundamentally horrible person who supports abuse." Everything is made into an intrinsic matter of morality instead of an issue of knowledge, perspective, or context. It's a simplistic and unforgiving way of thinking. These characters are fictional. They do not exist. They are not real. The failure to distinguish between fiction and reality is a serious concern. Clinging to such an absolutist view in discussions about fictional narratives is ridiculous. People need to step and remember that these are just stories at the end of the day. Allowing fictional content to dictate real-world interactions to such an extent is neither healthy nor rational. Also, we've been through this argument so many times, and it's really getting tiring. We keep getting worked up over things that happen in stories, involving characters that aren't even real. We need to remember that these are just stories. There's no point in arguing so much about them. It's important to remember that it's okay for people to have different ideas about these stories and characters. Just because someone thinks differently doesn't mean they're wrong or bad. We should listen to each other and respect that everyone sees things in their own way. Arguing and getting angry doesn't help anyone. Let's be kind to each other, agree to disagree sometimes, and enjoy these stories in our own ways. literally this>>
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Post by کیوان on Dec 1, 2023 13:57:49 GMT -5
If anything, Squirrelflight's Hope taught us more about the WC community than it did about the Sisters or Squirrelflight herself.
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