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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2023 23:15:14 GMT -5
Actually, I'm on wc Tiktok and they have takes completely opposing those of Warriors Tumblr & YouTube. And saying that they don't think for themselves because they just don't have an opinion that aligns with yours is pretty rude, by the way. If y'all Bramblestar supporters actually expressed your opinions to those of opposing sides with civility instead of hostility (like Silverpaw's essay, which is focused on facts instead of bias), there wouldn't be a 24/7 fandom war. Same can be said for some Squirrelflight supporters. I'm not saying that people who don't have the same opinions that align with mine are not thinking for themselves, I'm saying that from what I've seen a lot of people seem to be taking the things Akira and Moonkitti say about Bramble being abusive and regurgitate a lot of the same stuff. It just seems that things become a bit of an echo chamber pointing fingers at Bramble alone and looking at Squilf with rose tinted glasses. This may be that my FYP is more skewed into showing that content (which makes no sense because I don't engage). I feel like we've had a pretty civilised conversation around Leafpool and Squirrelflight's choices about the kits and how that affected Bramble, am I mistaken? I'm trying not to put more fuel on the fire here, just trying to clarify what I'm saying and what I think. I hopped on here to have a bit of a cry about Akira slightly bashing Bramble. This thread was always going to lean towards a biased vent, right from the first post and that's okay. I completely agree. I misunderstood the tone in your message, sorry dude. I just saw you say "they must not have had any thoughts for themselves and regurgitated these opinions" and thought you were saying, like, people who agree with Moonkitti and Akira just don't think for themselves because somebody else said it first. I definitely agree on the last bit. I find myself not going into Squirrelflight criticism-related threads 'cause I'd end up biased and the rest of the people who interact with them are on the opposing side to me anyways. There's a lot of bias in these types of disagreements/debates.
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Post by lazzylake on Nov 20, 2023 23:27:13 GMT -5
Okay okay I'm going to try and power through this all. I'm a little overwhelmed with all the information but I'm going to be incredibly busy the next couple days (Thanksgiving cleaning and college class work) so better now than never.
more of a note for myself but why can't I just choose the middle ground option for this situation specifically and just stick with it. Every time I feel like I understand the rug is pulled right beneath my feet. I get so tired with opinions on the BrambleSquirrel drama so quickly, but this thread has caught my eye and now I can't stop thinking about it. Wish me luck trying to get a coherent response together.
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 20, 2023 23:49:02 GMT -5
I found the whole deal with Bramble after Broken Code to be really sad. He was the one who invited cats like Stormcloud and Twigbranch into ThunderClan, and they can't even put their full trust in him anymore. Dang, props to Nightheart for encouraging him to get the rest he needed. Heck, all of Thunder was a triumph for mental health. It is sad! He can never be seen in the same way by his clanmates because of what happened. I never really thought about giving Nightheart credit for encourgaging Brambleclaw to rest but you are totally right- having conversations like that can be hard, especially with someone who is so senior within your family AND Clan. Good on you, Nightheart!
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 21, 2023 0:03:53 GMT -5
I'm not saying that people who don't have the same opinions that align with mine are not thinking for themselves, I'm saying that from what I've seen a lot of people seem to be taking the things Akira and Moonkitti say about Bramble being abusive and regurgitate a lot of the same stuff. It just seems that things become a bit of an echo chamber pointing fingers at Bramble alone and looking at Squilf with rose tinted glasses. This may be that my FYP is more skewed into showing that content (which makes no sense because I don't engage). I feel like we've had a pretty civilised conversation around Leafpool and Squirrelflight's choices about the kits and how that affected Bramble, am I mistaken? I'm trying not to put more fuel on the fire here, just trying to clarify what I'm saying and what I think. I hopped on here to have a bit of a cry about Akira slightly bashing Bramble. This thread was always going to lean towards a biased vent, right from the first post and that's okay. I completely agree. I misunderstood the tone in your message, sorry dude. I just saw you say "they must not have had any thoughts for themselves and regurgitated these opinions" and thought you were saying, like, people who agree with Moonkitti and Akira just don't think for themselves because somebody else said it first. I definitely agree on the last bit. I find myself not going into Squirrelflight criticism-related threads 'cause I'd end up biased and the rest of the people who interact with them are on the opposing side to me anyways. There's a lot of bias in these types of disagreements/debates. That okay- I'm not going to lie here as well- I do think there is some aspect of blind following in some aspects of the people I have seen bashing Brambleclaw in some spaces. Yet, in the same spaces I also see people saying 'yeah I don't like Bramblestar but he is not an abuser". And I have no problem with people like that. Different strokes for different folks. I don't want to ever, EVER take away the voice of young people and children either. I KNOW that younger generations are perfectly capable of forming their own thoughts and opinions but I think influencers definitely can negatively impact formulating your own opinions and it's easy to stand in an echo chamber of opinions you agree with. I DO take issue with people who refuse to take away Squilf's pedestal. She not always the victim; Bramble is not always the abuser- or I think a better term would perhaps be non-supportive partner? idk. I try very hard to look at both sides of the argument, but I have my own bias towards Bramble. Not that I hate Squirrel by any means she just isn't an appealing character for me- but I have hugely enjoyed seeing her go from a rule-breaking apprentice to seeing her through I think it was Nightheart's eyes? where they think she must never have put a paw wrong ever and was always a model warrior. And I do look forward to her leadership era- I think she will pull ThunderClan up by it's bootstraps, taking it out of Brambleclaw's umming and ahhing era to create a more unified and solid Clan- especially with Ivypool as deputy.
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 21, 2023 0:05:50 GMT -5
Okay okay I'm going to try and power through this all. I'm a little overwhelmed with all the information but I'm going to be incredibly busy the next couple days (Thanksgiving cleaning and college class work) so better now than never. more of a note for myself but why can't I just choose the middle ground option for this situation specifically and just stick with it. Every time I feel like I understand the rug is pulled right beneath my feet. I get so tired with opinions on the BrambleSquirrel drama so quickly, but this thread has caught my eye and now I can't stop thinking about it. Wish me luck trying to get a coherent response together. pls don't hurt me ;-;
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 21, 2023 0:09:00 GMT -5
This thread wasn't really ever supposed to become a BrambleSquirrel drama thread but I guess if you post about either of them it just kinda goes that way.
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Post by lazzylake on Nov 21, 2023 0:17:27 GMT -5
Okay, not going to lie, initially I was also struggling with the tone of the original post on whether it was genuine or a bit exaggerated, but I completely get what you're saying now! volchitsa4 I feel like whenever I try to say something on the situation someone comes along and writes something in a much more thoughtful and precise way than I could, which is mainly why I hardly say anything related to Warriors drama. I have trouble trying not to reiterate a lot of what others are saying while also trying to write my own viewpoints and I originally thought it was best just to say nothing at all on this thread. I try to keep my approaches unbiased as possible and writing, but when it comes to senseless and immature arguing (not on this thread, btw, I mean in general) it gets real messy real quick. Anyways, sorry if this makes no sense I'm pretty tired. Did read most of everything and a lot of you make very good points. I just don't feel like reiterating people's words for the sake of making it easier for me to understand and no one else. Honestly a little frustrated with myself rn for not writing anything sooner without sounding like a mess.
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Post by lazzylake on Nov 21, 2023 0:20:56 GMT -5
Okay okay I'm going to try and power through this all. I'm a little overwhelmed with all the information but I'm going to be incredibly busy the next couple days (Thanksgiving cleaning and college class work) so better now than never. more of a note for myself but why can't I just choose the middle ground option for this situation specifically and just stick with it. Every time I feel like I understand the rug is pulled right beneath my feet. I get so tired with opinions on the BrambleSquirrel drama so quickly, but this thread has caught my eye and now I can't stop thinking about it. Wish me luck trying to get a coherent response together. pls don't hurt me ;-; You're good! Most of what I wanted to mention has already been said before in the thread! No worries! EDIT: I believe I wrote that message before I realized this was meant to be a rant thread from you. Which I totally understand because all of those opinions on Squirrelflight being romanticized to some degree gets DRAINING.
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 21, 2023 0:48:57 GMT -5
I don't think I quite realised just how much this thread would spiral I put my foot in a trap I set for myself I think lol. I am a bit of a drama queen so I get how people can take things the wrong way; when I get a bit het up I forget that this is the internet and not my irl friends groups chat. I'm excited to see what you have to say- I do like reading other people's opinions. That was why I used to listen to Moonkitti and Akira, but now I am back on the WCF I don't have to put up with them
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Post by Slightdapple on Nov 21, 2023 8:10:59 GMT -5
I like Bramblestar, glad that he's finally getting some rest. Squirrelflight used to be my favorite character when I joined the forums but now I mildly dislike her. Me too, I'm glad he realised that he needed to step down for the betterment of himself and the Clan. What made you change your opinion on Squirrelstar? She was never really a favourite of mine because I always found her a bit annoying and unwilling to listen, but when I was younger really liked the ship because of their parentage; sort of a Romeo and Juilet kind of thing because their fathers were enemies. In retrospect with a more grown up understanding of things I can see how toxic they are for each other and I really wish the Erins had kept them apart after the Three's reveal. I think it would have also made for a better leader/deputy relationship for them not to be mates and would have shown a positive progression of their relationship that they could still be friends and that Bramble still recognises her as a great warrior willing to stand her ground and speak up to anyone, including him. I was still reading AVoS when I joined, and I loved Squirrelstar because I found her a cool character who stood up for herself. I think it was mostly seeing more Bramble fans and reading farther into the series (and later rereading TNP and realizing that Squirrelflight was more annoying than I first thought) that made me change my opinion. I would have loved for them to have stayed broken up after OotS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 16:02:55 GMT -5
Me too, I'm glad he realised that he needed to step down for the betterment of himself and the Clan. What made you change your opinion on Squirrelstar? She was never really a favourite of mine because I always found her a bit annoying and unwilling to listen, but when I was younger really liked the ship because of their parentage; sort of a Romeo and Juilet kind of thing because their fathers were enemies. In retrospect with a more grown up understanding of things I can see how toxic they are for each other and I really wish the Erins had kept them apart after the Three's reveal. I think it would have also made for a better leader/deputy relationship for them not to be mates and would have shown a positive progression of their relationship that they could still be friends and that Bramble still recognises her as a great warrior willing to stand her ground and speak up to anyone, including him. I was still reading AVoS when I joined, and I loved Squirrelstar because I found her a cool character who stood up for herself. I think it was mostly seeing more Bramble fans and reading farther into the series (and later rereading TNP and realizing that Squirrelflight was more annoying than I first thought) that made me change my opinion. I would have loved for them to have stayed broken up after OotS. i don’t mind the ship, it’s actually a guilty pleasure ship of mine. but to me, as someone who has loved them for years, they’re never given the time to be a couple. they’re happy in one arc then forced to go through multiple arcs of trauma and forced drama. it’s unfair, because when they CAN be a couple they’re very healthy and adorable (po3, avos, the ending of brambles storm etc etc). the erin’s just refuse to give them the time to be a couple and want to make the books as dramatic as possible because drama = money.
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Post by Sand on Nov 22, 2023 5:33:37 GMT -5
This thread went completely off topic from Bramblestar to YouTubers (except for the last 2-3 posts). I understand that Akira and Moonkitti have videos and their own opinions which not a lot of people here agree with. However, this thread isn’t the place to discuss either of them (the YouTubers). Please get back on topic. I’ll most likely clean this thread up.
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Post by arkkflip on Nov 22, 2023 5:50:55 GMT -5
Personally, I do not give a crap if either of them like or hate Bramblestar. I don't care if any of you like or hate Bramblestar. I think we should respect each other's opinion, because not everyone is going to like or love Bramblestar (or hate).
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 22, 2023 7:03:40 GMT -5
Me too, I'm glad he realised that he needed to step down for the betterment of himself and the Clan. What made you change your opinion on Squirrelstar? She was never really a favourite of mine because I always found her a bit annoying and unwilling to listen, but when I was younger really liked the ship because of their parentage; sort of a Romeo and Juilet kind of thing because their fathers were enemies. In retrospect with a more grown up understanding of things I can see how toxic they are for each other and I really wish the Erins had kept them apart after the Three's reveal. I think it would have also made for a better leader/deputy relationship for them not to be mates and would have shown a positive progression of their relationship that they could still be friends and that Bramble still recognises her as a great warrior willing to stand her ground and speak up to anyone, including him. I was still reading AVoS when I joined, and I loved Squirrelstar because I found her a cool character who stood up for herself. I think it was mostly seeing more Bramble fans and reading farther into the series (and later rereading TNP and realizing that Squirrelflight was more annoying than I first thought) that made me change my opinion. I would have loved for them to have stayed broken up after OotS. that's quite interesting! For me I had the reverse experience because AVOS hadn't been published yet so I saw Squirrelstar go from this annoying as heck apprentice to a somewhat calmer cat that speaks up when needed.
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 22, 2023 7:10:01 GMT -5
I was still reading AVoS when I joined, and I loved Squirrelstar because I found her a cool character who stood up for herself. I think it was mostly seeing more Bramble fans and reading farther into the series (and later rereading TNP and realizing that Squirrelflight was more annoying than I first thought) that made me change my opinion. I would have loved for them to have stayed broken up after OotS. i don’t mind the ship, it’s actually a guilty pleasure ship of mine. but to me, as someone who has loved them for years, they’re never given the time to be a couple. they’re happy in one arc then forced to go through multiple arcs of trauma and forced drama. it’s unfair, because when they CAN be a couple they’re very healthy and adorable (po3, avos, the ending of brambles storm etc etc). the erin’s just refuse to give them the time to be a couple and want to make the books as dramatic as possible because drama = money. That's actually.... a really good point. I remember actually quite liking them as a couple during Po3, but sadly after Hollyleaf's reveal their relationship was just tarnished to me. I just wished they had stayed friends and not become mates again.... but then Alderheart probably wouldn't have been born </3 tbh though i've kind of said everything I can about what I think of their relationship. At the end of the day I really want to talk about Bramble; and ngl I feel robbed a bit. It seemed like he was pretty well set up to become a decent leader but then it just seemed like a bit of a flop. I thought the issues with his leadership was sorted by the end of Bramblestar's Storm but it seemed like he went right back to the cat he was before? is this because the SE is not main series? But cats still retired is the SE that we see have moved to the elder's den in the next main series book right?
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Post by Flamefrost on Nov 22, 2023 14:09:10 GMT -5
I honestly hope both Bramble and Squirrel get hit by a meteor at this point so we can leave the discourse behind like we did with Ashfur, Scourge, Leafpool, Sandstorm, and Spottedleaf.
Which sucks bc I genuinely enjoy both of their characters a lot, I think they're both some of the most complex cats we've ever had. I wish they had stayed amicably broken up as it seemed would be the case in Dovewing's Silence, simply bc their controversies solely revolve around their relationship and I'm sick of it.
That being said, I really love how Brambles character has developed post BC - I like how the authors are actually acknowledging the horrors he went through and that it actually took a toll on him. It's refreshing from the usual "trauma makes you stronger" narrative that I despise. Let the boy rest, and let Squirrelstar lead bc it's clearly something she's wanted for forever. I just hope they don't make her into a Firestar 2.0 and keep her hotheaded and righteous personality. I hope she does decide to wage war, and for that war to have actual consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 14:13:48 GMT -5
I honestly hope both Bramble and Squirrel get hit by a meteor at this point so we can leave the discourse behind like we did with Ashfur, Scourge, Leafpool, Sandstorm, and Spottedleaf. Which sucks bc I genuinely enjoy both of their characters a lot, I think they're both some of the most complex cats we've ever had. I wish they had stayed amicably broken up as it seemed would be the case in Dovewing's Silence, simply bc their controversies solely revolve around their relationship and I'm sick of it. That being said, I really love how Brambles character has developed post BC - I like how the authors are actually acknowledging the horrors he went through and that it actually took a toll on him. It's refreshing from the usual "trauma makes you stronger" narrative that I despise. Let the boy rest, and let Squirrelstar lead bc it's clearly something she's wanted for forever. I just hope they don't make her into a Firestar 2.0 and keep her hotheaded and righteous personality. I hope she does decide to wage war, and for that war to have actual consequences. i totally agree, my only problem is that she’s so old and she literally hasn’t shown that she has the ability to lead
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Nov 22, 2023 15:43:18 GMT -5
That's the one thing I don't understand is how they can show how traumatized Bramble is, but not show how traumatized Squirrelflight is. I suppose Bramble's is a little more... invasive, considering he was possessed, but she was also dragged into cat hell and chased around/coveted by her awful stalker ex.
Also let's put into perspective as to how old Squirrelflight is. Currently she's around 10 years old. That's about the same age as when Sandstorm died. And Sandstorm was already an elder for a few seasons at that point. And Sandstorm was older than the first Thunderclan elders we are introduced to in the series when she retired.
Squirrelflight isn't that much younger than Bramblestar. They both should have gone to the elders' den together.
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Post by Hollyfall on Nov 22, 2023 16:27:51 GMT -5
That's the one thing I don't understand is how they can show how traumatized Bramble is, but not show how traumatized Squirrelflight is. I suppose Bramble's is a little more... invasive, considering he was possessed, but she was also dragged into cat hell and chased around/coveted by her awful stalker ex.
I don't believe the books have confirmed this, but I always interpreted Squirrelflight's actions in this arc as a sort of trauma response. She desperately wants ThunderClan to be united and have a strong front, since she experienced Ashfur's tyranny firsthand and how divided ThunderClan was under her leadership, but Bramblestar's mental health isn't helping that. She's trying to regain control of her Clan's image. Hence why in River, she was offended by Crowfeather's comments during the conversation at WindClan's camp, even though Crowfeather meant well, and why she undermined Bramblestar.
Doesn't necessarily make her behaviour right, but it does explain it. Much of Ashfur's actions were in relation to her, and there's a line in A Light in the Mist where she implies she feels responsible. Bramble and Squirrel are both still reeling from last arc, but they both have radically different coping mechanisms.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 22, 2023 16:44:19 GMT -5
That's the one thing I don't understand is how they can show how traumatized Bramble is, but not show how traumatized Squirrelflight is. I suppose Bramble's is a little more... invasive, considering he was possessed, but she was also dragged into cat hell and chased around/coveted by her awful stalker ex.
I don't believe the books have confirmed this, but I always interpreted Squirrelflight's actions in this arc as a sort of trauma response. She desperately wants ThunderClan to be united and have a strong front, since she experienced Ashfur's tryanny firsthand and how divided ThunderClan was under her leadership, but Bramblestar's mental health isn't helping that. She's trying to regain control of her Clan's image. Hence why in River, she was offended by Crowfeather's comments during the conversation at WindClan's camp, even though Crowfeather meant well, and why she undermined Bramblestar.
Doesn't necessarily make her behaviour right, but it does explain it. Much of Ashfur's actions were in relation to her, and there's a line in A Light in the Mist where she implies she feels responsible. Bramble and Squirrel are both still reeling from last arc, but they both have radically different coping mechanisms. Exactly this; I was even about to respond to the post too lol! But yeah, there's more than one way to write a traumatized character, after all.
In Squirrelflight's case, think about what happened in the previous arc after Ashfur was overthrown: was anyone happy with her brief leadership? Not really. Not only did Thornclaw make a whole scene regarding ThunderClan's leaders all being related to Firestar and also accused Squirrelflight of willingly abandoning her Clan even though she was exiled, but she was so focused on trying to keep Bramblestar's body alive that it led to several of her Clanmates very easily believing she helped Ashfur escape, with Lionblaze even being the first to put the theory forward.
So then what do we see following Ashfur's defeat? A deputy who's all too willing to confront a neighboring Clan over a single piece of prey—probably thinking if she doesn't challenge that Clan now, they'll end up taking advantage of them later—all before that same deputy expresses a desire to openly side with SkyClan after ShadowClan takes over RiverClan, even though her own leader is against it. So yeah, Squirrelflight is probably compensating. And if this is indeed the intention, it could be very interesting to explore.
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Post by Katanaheart on Nov 22, 2023 17:00:07 GMT -5
I don't believe the books have confirmed this, but I always interpreted Squirrelflight's actions in this arc as a sort of trauma response. She desperately wants ThunderClan to be united and have a strong front, since she experienced Ashfur's tryanny firsthand and how divided ThunderClan was under her leadership, but Bramblestar's mental health isn't helping that. She's trying to regain control of her Clan's image. Hence why in River, she was offended by Crowfeather's comments during the conversation at WindClan's camp, even though Crowfeather meant well, and why she undermined Bramblestar.
Doesn't necessarily make her behaviour right, but it does explain it. Much of Ashfur's actions were in relation to her, and there's a line in A Light in the Mist where she implies she feels responsible. Bramble and Squirrel are both still reeling from last arc, but they both have radically different coping mechanisms. Exactly this; I was even about to respond to the post too lol! But yeah, there's more than one way to write a traumatized character, after all.
In Squirrelflight's case, think about what happened in the previous arc after Ashfur was overthrown: was anyone happy with her brief leadership? Not really. Not only did Thornclaw make a whole scene regarding ThunderClan's leaders all being related to Firestar and also accused Squirrelflight of willingly abandoning her Clan even though she was exiled, but she was so focused on trying to keep Bramblestar's body alive that it led to several of her Clanmates very easily believing she helped Ashfur escape, with Lionblaze even being the first to put the theory forward.
So then what do we see following Ashfur's defeat? A deputy who's all too willing to confront a neighboring Clan over a single piece of prey—probably thinking if she doesn't challenge that Clan now, they'll end up taking advantage of them later—all before that same deputy expresses a desire to openly side with SkyClan after ShadowClan takes over RiverClan, even though her own leader is against it. So yeah, Squirrelflight is probably compensating. And if this is indeed the intention, it could be very interesting to explore.
Reading through this post made me remember Onestar and parallels related to how he acted as leader. (Not to mention various Clanmates being against him, same, as they were with Squirrelflight.) I now wonder if her, hopefully brief, but short reign will be a reflection of Onestar’s instead of her father’s.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 21:21:55 GMT -5
Exactly this; I was even about to respond to the post too lol! But yeah, there's more than one way to write a traumatized character, after all.
In Squirrelflight's case, think about what happened in the previous arc after Ashfur was overthrown: was anyone happy with her brief leadership? Not really. Not only did Thornclaw make a whole scene regarding ThunderClan's leaders all being related to Firestar and also accused Squirrelflight of willingly abandoning her Clan even though she was exiled, but she was so focused on trying to keep Bramblestar's body alive that it led to several of her Clanmates very easily believing she helped Ashfur escape, with Lionblaze even being the first to put the theory forward.
So then what do we see following Ashfur's defeat? A deputy who's all too willing to confront a neighboring Clan over a single piece of prey—probably thinking if she doesn't challenge that Clan now, they'll end up taking advantage of them later—all before that same deputy expresses a desire to openly side with SkyClan after ShadowClan takes over RiverClan, even though her own leader is against it. So yeah, Squirrelflight is probably compensating. And if this is indeed the intention, it could be very interesting to explore.
Reading through this post made me remember Onestar and parallels related to how he acted as leader. (Not to mention various Clanmates being against him, same, as they were with Squirrelflight.) I now wonder if her, hopefully brief, but short reign will be a reflection of Onestar’s instead of her father’s.
i would honestly be so invested in a onestar type of leadership. you know, where he’s severely paranoid and all he does is stress out about cats acting against him like in AVoS
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 23, 2023 2:30:54 GMT -5
That's the one thing I don't understand is how they can show how traumatized Bramble is, but not show how traumatized Squirrelflight is. I suppose Bramble's is a little more... invasive, considering he was possessed, but she was also dragged into cat hell and chased around/coveted by her awful stalker ex.
Also let's put into perspective as to how old Squirrelflight is. Currently she's around 10 years old. That's about the same age as when Sandstorm died. And Sandstorm was already an elder for a few seasons at that point. And Sandstorm was older than the first Thunderclan elders we are introduced to in the series when she retired.
Squirrelflight isn't that much younger than Bramblestar. They both should have gone to the elders' den together. It's honestly pretty refreshing to see you give a take about Squirrelstar that isn't criticising her (not that that's a bad thing) - I completely agree. They've both been largely important characters for a while and there hasn't been any perspective on how she's dealing with things, meanwhile Brambleclaw is made all sad and exhausted. Honestly, I'm glad he's less in the picture now, but it seemed to me like they were trying to make him more appealing to the reader, so they can empathize with him or feel bad for him. And yet, there's nothing showing that Squirrelstar even went through anything in the first place. The writing for Brambleclaw recently is confusing me though. I get that he's tired and stuff cause of him being possessed, but it just seems to me like they were using that as an excuse to retire him. If they didn't want to do that, I guarantee they would've given him 0 trauma responses at all. He should've been a tired and exhausted old man already, before the possession.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 23, 2023 2:41:57 GMT -5
This thread went completely off topic from Bramblestar to YouTubers (except for the last 2-3 posts). I understand that Akira and Moonkitti have videos and their own opinions which not a lot of people here agree with. However, this thread isn’t the place to discuss either of them (the YouTubers). Please get back on topic. I’ll most likely clean this thread up. While I agree as well that this thread did get out of hand later on for a bit, the original post by OP also already contains mentions of BGA and her opinion on Bramble via video. Which was what I initially reacted to.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 23, 2023 10:09:29 GMT -5
I agree that Squirrelflight is traumatized in ASC, but that her reaction to/method of coping with it looks very different from Bramblestar. I’d even go so far as to say her being so hard on him and getting snappy, angry, etc is part of that coping.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 23, 2023 10:27:40 GMT -5
People have been trying to move on from discussing both creators in this thread, but people like you keep bringing them back up and perpetuating the conversation you claim to hate. You are actively contributing to the problem. Sand (Edit from Mintedstar: Left this here for context on why some of the convo looks janky. There was a troll. Do not feed the troll by asking what the troll said. Most of it was cursing and keyboard smashes.)
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 23, 2023 10:36:36 GMT -5
Anyways, I do think Squilf deserves a little more grace from the fandom than she’s given regarding her actions in ASC, given that she is likely responding out of her own trauma and just not dealing with it in a healthy way. Her personality is already geared toward a quick temper. It does make me wonder if that will continue to manifest now that’s she leader, and either she or the clan will then have her step down because of it.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 23, 2023 10:37:51 GMT -5
lazzylake don’t feed the troll
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 23, 2023 10:39:56 GMT -5
Shifting the topic back to Bramblestar, I’ve really been enjoying his character so far this arc- it’s interesting seeing how the events of TBC have affected him. Hopefully he (and Squirrelfight too) get to finally rest soon- they’ve already been through so much. You can love them or hate them, but they’ve both been through it lol.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 23, 2023 10:42:07 GMT -5
Shifting the topic back to Bramblestar, I’ve really been enjoying his character so far this arc- it’s interesting seeing how the events of TBC have affected him. Hopefully he (and Squirrelfight too) get to finally rest soon- they’ve already been through so much. I’m not a big fan of either character (mostly just neutral) but this arc really makes me want to see them just living a quiet and happy life in their old age. They’re like, what, 10+ years old?? Why are they making great-grandma and grandpa lead the clan
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