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volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 17, 2023 2:48:59 GMT -5
Again ragging on this topic.Recently I was listeming to a Bright Guardian Akira video and she said in her video something along the lines of Bramblestar not supporting Squirrelflight in BC. IDK just a bit upset about it because she didn't support him in times when he needed it as well.... I just UGHHHH. After reading Silverpaw's essay on Bramble and Squilf my eyes have been opened even further (Silverpaw I meant to PM you to say I had read it it was AMAZINGGGGGG. Very good points pulled straight from scenarios in the books themselves)
I just want him to be in peace and loved.
Edit; pronouns
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Post by seantheskyhunter on Nov 17, 2023 2:58:09 GMT -5
Akira and Moonkitti have a constant beef with Bramblestar and it became silly at this point. They really hate a fictional character so much
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 3:29:02 GMT -5
Again ragging on this topic.Recently I was listeming to a Bright Guardian Akira video and he said in his video something along the lines of Bramblestar not supporting Squirrelflight in BC. IDK just a bit upset about it because she didn't support him in times when he needed it as well.... I just UGHHHH. After reading Silverpaw's essay on Bramble and Squilf my eyes have been opened even further (Silverpaw I meant to PM you to say I had read it it was AMAZINGGGGGG. Very good points pulled straight from scenarios in the books themselves) I just want him to be in peace and loved. just saw this but thank you oml 😭i appreciate your comments!! i totally agree tbh, so many videos are so skewed to look at squilf but not bramblestar’s. it’s hard to watch videos in the fandom and see people ignore that she’s literally doing what people think bramble is doing. very upsetting
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 3:29:52 GMT -5
Akira and Moonkitti have a constant beef with Bramblestar and it became silly at this point. They really hate a fictional character so much it’s to the point that insults are thrown :/
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 17, 2023 6:03:58 GMT -5
Akira and Moonkitti have a constant beef with Bramblestar and it became silly at this point. They really hate a fictional character so much I think they have seen one too many absolutely garbage takes by children on tiktok and have just not had any genuine thoughts for themselves and just regurgitated that nonsense and like the freaking rats they are (myself included) the fandom just eats it up. I'm genuinely mad because if you do actually read the text Squilf is pretty inconsiderate of Bramble throughout TNP. I can't believe I ever genuine shipped them when I was younger. Jessie should have stayed in the Clans with Bramble. I often wonder how things would have gone....
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 17, 2023 6:07:54 GMT -5
Again ragging on this topic.Recently I was listeming to a Bright Guardian Akira video and he said in his video something along the lines of Bramblestar not supporting Squirrelflight in BC. IDK just a bit upset about it because she didn't support him in times when he needed it as well.... I just UGHHHH. After reading Silverpaw's essay on Bramble and Squilf my eyes have been opened even further (Silverpaw I meant to PM you to say I had read it it was AMAZINGGGGGG. Very good points pulled straight from scenarios in the books themselves) I just want him to be in peace and loved. just saw this but thank you oml 😭i appreciate your comments!! i totally agree tbh, so many videos are so skewed to look at squilf but not bramblestar’s. it’s hard to watch videos in the fandom and see people ignore that she’s literally doing what people think bramble is doing. very upsetting I really wish more people read your essay! it's incredible. I think a lot of Squilf defenders would be very butthurt though lol!! Also I favourited your essay to read again but it won't let me see it you should link it here as well if you can for people to heckin educate! themselves!
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 17, 2023 6:11:27 GMT -5
To be fair to Akira his point up until then was good but I legit had to stop the video once they started being a butt about Bramble and cry on the forums
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 17, 2023 6:14:16 GMT -5
Akira and Moonkitti have a constant beef with Bramblestar and it became silly at this point. They really hate a fictional character so much Same can be said for Squirrelflight haters
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Nov 17, 2023 6:15:51 GMT -5
BC? Is that The Broken Code? Because of course he wasn't being supportive, he was too busy being possessed/controlled by Ashfur.
Those two would absolutely be the ones to say Bramblestar still isn't being supportive in ASC and poor Squirrelflight has to shoulder everything herself and urgghh like clearly he's traumatized and tired. Everything in that video would be cherrypicked like in another certain video essay...
There's a reason I don't watch any of BGA or Moonkitti's stuff.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 17, 2023 6:19:29 GMT -5
Akira and Moonkitti have a constant beef with Bramblestar and it became silly at this point. They really hate a fictional character so much I think they have seen one too many absolutely garbage takes by children on tiktok and have just not had any genuine thoughts for themselves and just regurgitated that nonsense and like the freaking rats they are (myself included) the fandom just eats it up. I'm genuinely mad because if you do actually read the text Squilf is pretty inconsiderate of Bramble throughout TNP. I can't believe I ever genuine shipped them when I was younger. Jessie should have stayed in the Clans with Bramble. I often wonder how things would have gone.... Actually, I'm on wc Tiktok and they have takes completely opposing those of Warriors Tumblr & YouTube. And saying that they don't think for themselves because they just don't have an opinion that aligns with yours is pretty rude, by the way. If y'all Bramblestar supporters actually expressed your opinions to those of opposing sides with civility instead of hostility (like Silverpaw's essay, which is focused on facts instead of bias), there wouldn't be a 24/7 fandom war. Same can be said for some Squirrelflight supporters.
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 17, 2023 6:19:58 GMT -5
Akira and Moonkitti have a constant beef with Bramblestar and it became silly at this point. They really hate a fictional character so much Same can be said for Squirrelflight haters Listen okay we can only pick one side, and I can only have one emotion at a time like a fairy and today has been fuelled by rage jk. For me, I don't hate Squilf herself in all honesty. It might come off that way but what I really take issue with is the fandom hyping her up and blowing things out of proportion without looking at their history and how she has consistently been unwilling to listen to Bramble, unable to think from his perspective and being suspicious of him becoming like his father (big ouch) despite claiming to love him. Not to mention never telling him about leafpool's kits..... a huge misjudgement on her part. I genuinely don't think he would have treated them any differently had he known who their real parents were, given he travelled with Crowfeather and realising how close Squilf and Leaf were.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 17, 2023 6:22:36 GMT -5
Same can be said for Squirrelflight haters Listen okay we can only pick one side, and I can only have one emotion at a time like a fairy and today has been fuelled by rage jk. For me, I don't hate Squilf herself in all honesty. It might come off that way but what I really take issue with is the fandom hyping her up and blowing things out of proportion without looking at their history and how she has consistently been unwilling to listen to Bramble, unable to think from his perspective and being suspicious of him becoming like his father (big ouch) despite claiming to love him. Not to mention never telling him about leafpool's kits..... a huge misjudgement on her part. I genuinely don't think he would have treated them any differently had he known who their real parents were, given he travelled with Crowfeather and realising how close Squilf and Leaf were. I think her not telling Bramble about the kits was because Leafpool's entire career was at risk for it. Her reputation. It was Leafpool at the highest risk, not Squirrelflight. Sure, both of them lied and it was orchestrated by StarClan, but it was still Leafpool that was in need of that lie. Anyone else knowing would be a risk, even if they thought they could trust him.
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 17, 2023 6:40:59 GMT -5
Listen okay we can only pick one side, and I can only have one emotion at a time like a fairy and today has been fuelled by rage jk. For me, I don't hate Squilf herself in all honesty. It might come off that way but what I really take issue with is the fandom hyping her up and blowing things out of proportion without looking at their history and how she has consistently been unwilling to listen to Bramble, unable to think from his perspective and being suspicious of him becoming like his father (big ouch) despite claiming to love him. Not to mention never telling him about leafpool's kits..... a huge misjudgement on her part. I genuinely don't think he would have treated them any differently had he known who their real parents were, given he travelled with Crowfeather and realising how close Squilf and Leaf were. I think her not telling Bramble about the kits was because Leafpool's entire career was at risk for it. Her reputation. It was Leafpool at the highest risk, not Squirrelflight. Sure, both of them lied and it was orchestrated by StarClan, but it was still Leafpool that was in need of that lie. Anyone else knowing would be a risk, even if they thought they could trust him. I still think she should have told him the kits weren't theirs, even if she made up a lie to protect her sister (she found them and wants to take them in, like Oakheart with his and Bluestar's kits, StarClan has blessed her and Brambleclaw with the opportunity to be parents despite her at the time believing she was barren) perhaps the fall out and betrayal wouldn't have been so bad. I can't comment on StarClan orchestrating it because that was such a garbage action on their part as well. Why make such poor choices? They still could have come to the sisters and told Squilf to take them in, but given her ideas on what to say to Bramble without putting Leafpool at risk. At the end of the day I get it. Squirrelflight was backed into a really awful corner by her sister and StarClan. But I genuinely believe if she had spoken to Brambleclaw about it they could have worked something out and had a better outcome for their relationship and Hollyleaf still could have done her big reveal about her and her brother's parentage, just with Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight able to actually lean on each other instead of Brambleclaw feeling like even his own mate can't trust him and Squirrelflight being isolated within her own Clan. And let's be real, these are just 'what if's'. Whats been written has been written and it's canon now. Just a bit of poor planning and writing perhaps. And garbage fandom takes just fuel the fire
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Post by deerspirit on Nov 17, 2023 7:57:41 GMT -5
I’m so glad I don’t watch or listen to either Akira or Moonkitti. Squirrelflight is just as abusive if not more so than Bramblestar. Bramblestar deserves better from the fandom as does Nightheart. I don’t have anything against Squirrelflight and am neutral on her as a character but I am against her fans holding rose colored glasses over everything she does and constantly going after poor Bramblestar.
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Asexual
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volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 17, 2023 8:42:14 GMT -5
I’m so glad I don’t watch or listen to either Akira or Moonkitti. Squirrelflight is just as abusive if not more so than Bramblestar. Bramblestar deserves better from the fandom as does Nightheart. I don’t have anything against Squirrelflight and am neutral on her as a character but I am against her fans holding rose colored glasses over everything she does and constantly going after poor Bramblestar. Gosh I wish I was that pure. regret listening to them but at least I can stop haha. I wish I could say I'm also truly 100% neutral on Squirrelflight but sadly i think because of the fandom I might have a smidge of resentment; not through any fault of hers though. And I'm happy to admit that she really has been dealt a really awful hand and she genuinely does have my sympathy but pretending she has never done anything wrong is absolutely not true. Same could be said for Brambleclaw I suppose Nightheart's character arc has been great so far, I've actually enjoyed him more now seeing how far he has come. (Sunbeam is stil babygirl though)
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 17, 2023 9:54:09 GMT -5
Btw just to lyk, Akira is a women who used She/her pronouns
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 11:08:34 GMT -5
just saw this but thank you oml 😭i appreciate your comments!! i totally agree tbh, so many videos are so skewed to look at squilf but not bramblestar’s. it’s hard to watch videos in the fandom and see people ignore that she’s literally doing what people think bramble is doing. very upsetting I really wish more people read your essay! it's incredible. I think a lot of Squilf defenders would be very butthurt though lol!! Also I favourited your essay to read again but it won't let me see it you should link it here as well if you can for people to heckin educate! themselves! will do! i’m actually in the process of rewriting it to add in information from asc so once i do that i’ll link it here!
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Post by کیوان on Nov 17, 2023 11:08:50 GMT -5
It’s comical, really. Moonkitti’s tweet to not attack Bramble fans or content means nothing when she can’t let the topic go after four literal years, and Akira’s more or less her inspiration but uses Moonkitti as a meat shield. I mean, tell me the last time Akira had Moonkitti’s level of infamy. Also, Akira acting like she suddenly cares about the WC franchise now that Squish is canon is laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 19:26:26 GMT -5
sorry about that! i can delete my post if you’d like. Naw man, it's ok. I just wish this wouldn't happen in every. single. Bramble/Squirrel thread. I would like to read your document, tho, if possible. fs! i’m reworking it but i can pm you once i finish if that’s alright with you? and also, understandable. i js wanted to explain how something happened recently, but this isn’t the thread for it lol
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Post by Woofzie on Nov 17, 2023 19:31:06 GMT -5
Naw man, it's ok. I just wish this wouldn't happen in every. single. Bramble/Squirrel thread. I would like to read your document, tho, if possible. fs! i’m reworking it but i can pm you once i finish if that’s alright with you? and also, understandable. i js wanted to explain how something happened recently, but this isn’t the thread for it lol Sure, you can absolutely pm me once it's done ^^ tysm. No worries, still it wasn't directed to you, just to clarify;.; . I wrote that more generally, this has been happening here for several years now and it's tiring, even if I just lurk here. I'm stuck in this fandom and I hate it, lmao.
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Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 20, 2023 7:42:38 GMT -5
I think they have seen one too many absolutely garbage takes by children on tiktok and have just not had any genuine thoughts for themselves and just regurgitated that nonsense and like the freaking rats they are (myself included) the fandom just eats it up. I'm genuinely mad because if you do actually read the text Squilf is pretty inconsiderate of Bramble throughout TNP. I can't believe I ever genuine shipped them when I was younger. Jessie should have stayed in the Clans with Bramble. I often wonder how things would have gone.... Actually, I'm on wc Tiktok and they have takes completely opposing those of Warriors Tumblr & YouTube. And saying that they don't think for themselves because they just don't have an opinion that aligns with yours is pretty rude, by the way. If y'all Bramblestar supporters actually expressed your opinions to those of opposing sides with civility instead of hostility (like Silverpaw's essay, which is focused on facts instead of bias), there wouldn't be a 24/7 fandom war. Same can be said for some Squirrelflight supporters. I'm not saying that people who don't have the same opinions that align with mine are not thinking for themselves, I'm saying that from what I've seen a lot of people seem to be taking the things Akira and Moonkitti say about Bramble being abusive and regurgitate a lot of the same stuff. It just seems that things become a bit of an echo chamber pointing fingers at Bramble alone and looking at Squilf with rose tinted glasses. This may be that my FYP is more skewed into showing that content (which makes no sense because I don't engage). I feel like we've had a pretty civilised conversation around Leafpool and Squirrelflight's choices about the kits and how that affected Bramble, am I mistaken? I'm trying not to put more fuel on the fire here, just trying to clarify what I'm saying and what I think. I hopped on here to have a bit of a cry about Akira slightly bashing Bramble. This thread was always going to lean towards a biased vent, right from the first post and that's okay.
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Post by Slightdapple on Nov 20, 2023 9:53:39 GMT -5
I like Bramblestar, glad that he's finally getting some rest. Squirrelflight used to be my favorite character when I joined the forums but now I mildly dislike her.
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Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 20, 2023 12:36:25 GMT -5
FYI: BGA uses she/her pronouns and has been doing so ever since 2020. I know someone else on this thread already told you but noticed that you still have not changed the wrong pronouns used for her in your initial post where she is misgendered as he.
When it comes to her (and Moonkitti) disliking Brambleclaw and often criticizing his behaviour towards Squirrelflight in new videos, it's really not suprising or wrong considering their already established negative opinion him. People are allowed to dislike any character they want after all, including him.
As someone who still likes both Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight/star, they are just fictional characters at the end of the day and no criticism or hate from readers will ever affect either of them since they're just not real. I don't care if people dislike or hate either of them, seeing as it doesn't have to affect my own personal enjoyment of them (as individuals, not the BrambleSquirrel ship which I have always despised).
Since her take (BGAs) apparently upsets you to the point of crying though, I think it would probably be best for you to just not engage with/watch videos of her any more considering that her negative opinion on Bramble is clear and she does have a right to voice it. Just a suggestion with your own mental health in mind.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 20, 2023 17:20:39 GMT -5
Why do so many people still care what BGA and Moonkitti say? They’re just two random people that people decide to listen to for some reason. Talking about them just keeps them bafflingly relevant. Your fandom experience will be better (regardless if you see them positively or negatively) if you just ignore what they say and avoid fandom influencers in general.
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 20, 2023 20:54:51 GMT -5
I understand that the Bramble/Squirrel situation might be frustrating but given that this became a venting thread (which was just the natural progression of the thread) and given lurking tendencies it's a bit unfair to come on and post that you're uncomfortable. I was clear in my og post that I was upset from a vid and came to the forums to "cry". (I never actually cried I was just being dramatic and looking for some fellow Bramble likers to talk about him. This post is NOT about bashing Squirrelflight.
Yes, further down it becomes ranty and a bit out there- I'm frustrated. It seems like again and again I come across a lot of the same opinions.
I do try to pull in some points that I remembered from Silverpaw's essay that made me really think about the text and remember what I've read- mind you they are in a very condensed form, kind of a bit 'glossing over' so to speak and they do not give the particular situations because I don't want to meticulously go through and find and type the scenario, that wasn't why I created the thread. I tried to add nuance to my takes, even through the frustration and anger I was feeling.
At the end of the day, if you're uncomfortable and don't want to be on this thread you don't have to. This was a space for me to get a bit uptight and vent. I'm not here to bash people. Just wanted to vent about the bad takes I see. And you know what, it's okay to do that. Just like BGA has the right to express not liking Bramble I have the right to express how much I like him. I come on here with a bit of name calling yes but I was doing it in a bit of good spirit and thats typically how I talk IRL- I can see how that would have upset some people but it really wasn't my intention.
This thread has gotten a bit out of hand when I just came here for a bit of a silly goofy time. I still would like to talk about Brambleclaw but I will be better spirited moving forward, with everyone's understanding that a bit of name calling on my part is all fun and games.
Edited to add; This thread is about Brambleclaw. Not BGA. Not MOONKITTI. BGA was just an inciting event to some feelings and I want to talk about Bramble. Brambleclaw, and subsequently Squirrelstar are the topics of this thread.
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 20, 2023 21:00:49 GMT -5
I have edited my og post for BGA pronouns I was hyper focusing on Brambleclaw, I have edited the post now.
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Asexual
Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Nov 20, 2023 21:09:09 GMT -5
I like Bramblestar, glad that he's finally getting some rest. Squirrelflight used to be my favorite character when I joined the forums but now I mildly dislike her. Me too, I'm glad he realised that he needed to step down for the betterment of himself and the Clan. What made you change your opinion on Squirrelstar? She was never really a favourite of mine because I always found her a bit annoying and unwilling to listen, but when I was younger really liked the ship because of their parentage; sort of a Romeo and Juilet kind of thing because their fathers were enemies. In retrospect with a more grown up understanding of things I can see how toxic they are for each other and I really wish the Erins had kept them apart after the Three's reveal. I think it would have also made for a better leader/deputy relationship for them not to be mates and would have shown a positive progression of their relationship that they could still be friends and that Bramble still recognises her as a great warrior willing to stand her ground and speak up to anyone, including him.
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Post by کیوان on Nov 20, 2023 21:32:41 GMT -5
I found the whole deal with Bramble after Broken Code to be really sad. He was the one who invited cats like Stormcloud and Twigbranch into ThunderClan, and they can't even put their full trust in him anymore. Dang, props to Nightheart for encouraging him to get the rest he needed. Heck, all of Thunder was a triumph for mental health.
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Post by lazzylake on Nov 20, 2023 21:53:00 GMT -5
Okay I really really need to read more into this later on I don’t have the brain capacity to truly understand how deep the rabbit hole went.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 23:02:01 GMT -5
Okay I really really need to read more into this later on I don’t have the brain capacity to truly understand how deep the rabbit hole went. LMAOOO 😭 hopefully this comment reminds you to read it when you’re less tired
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