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Post by {Azure} on Nov 8, 2023 9:44:43 GMT -5
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Post by iceheart on Nov 8, 2023 9:53:23 GMT -5
The new editing team. Everything they’ve rolled out since Crowfeather’s Trial to now is terrible. And how they’ve tried to erase parts of the original series by retconning it, redoing the artwork, or shoehorning their own characters in. I can’t take anything of what they’ve done seriously, they’ve ruined a book series I know and love. I can only reread TPB-OOTS and the super editions up to Bramblestar’s Storm. Even Dawn of the Clans isn’t as great as people made it out to be. Lots of people complain about bramblesquirrel, but other than the whole Three thing, most of the discourse has been related to books the new editing team has released. Not to mention their blatant favoritism or certain characters (tigerheart) absolutely ruining the books. I could go on longer about this, but I’ve got class to attend in a few minutes. I might add onto this more later on.
EDIT: I decided to add onto this.
With this editing team, the errors are unfathomable. I know Vicky and the others have made mistakes, but she's a single person - she's referred to her, Cherith, and Kate as "the power of three." But with this editing team, we're seeing blatant retcons - Redtail kills Oakheart, Leopardstar was apprenticed at five moons instead of six with the rest of her generation, Spottedleaf is at Nightstar's gathering, Yellowfang never told Squirrelflight to take care of Leafpool's kits as her own. Not just that, but the amount of mistakes, too. ThunderClan is spelled as Thunderclan the ENTIRETY of Darkness Within, and this isn't even fixed in the paperback version, but they'll go and fix pelt colos and eye colors to match their canon, not Vicky's. Tigerheart's Shadow is another example of an blatant error not even fixed in the paperback - Slatefur is supposed to be on the patrol, not Rippletail. I don't even need to mention Leopardstar's Honor, but it has 50+ mistakes. Along that, Beetlewhisker is alive for two arcs despite being killed in a main character's point of view.
There's also character inconsistencies. Ravenpaw is suddenly a bloodthirsty and battle-hungry apprentice in Redtail's Debt. Firestar, despite not being that tough on trrespassers, goes to Onestar's camp and requests that he punishes Crowfeather personally. Leopardstar is flat and lifeless during her super edition. Bramblestar is suddenly worried about placating Tigerheart and is fine with driving out outsiders, when in Bramblestar's Storm, he risked his life numerous times to go to the flooded Twolegplace to save cats. He even went with Stormcloud to find Frankie's body. What happened to this Bramblestar? Everyone in Tawnypelt's Clan doesn't notice Tawnypelt but they love Dovewing even though Tawnypelt has been there two more times than Dovewing has and has saved them twice.
And the character worship. Notable mentions include Dovewing, Tigerheart, Tree, Needletail, and I'd argue Squirrelflight, even if they treat her as their punching bag. Tigerheart gets brought back to life because he's the only one who can save ShadowClan when cats have died before and have been noted to stay dead. A Vision of Shadows relies on another plot to destroy ShadowClan just to make Tigerheart Tigerstar. There's no reason Darktail couldn't have overthrown WindClan instead, it makes more since because Onestar is his father (another terrible plot point). Even in recent books, Tigerheart will again be praised by the narrative by various characters. Alongside that, Juniperclaw goes to the Dark Forest for poisoning SkyClan's fresh-kill pile despite saving Shadowsight/Shadowkit's life, Frecklewish also goes to the Dark Forest for uh... not helping kits drowning, but Needletail, despite arguably doing worse actions than those two combined, goes to StarClan because she... saves Violetpaw's life. Got it.
They have created too many characters that have no life within them. In The Power of Three and Omen of the Stars, virtually every character had some trait that made them distinguishable from their Clanmates. Blossomfall was jealous of Briarlight which had her turn to the Dark Forest, Bumblestripe had a crush on Dovewing, Briarlight had her own plot line, Toadstep was eager to be like Lionblaze, Mousewhisker wanted to climb a tree to impress his mentor, Berrynose was a know-it-all, Icecloud had a crush on Lionblaze, Foxleap was excitable and eager to prove himself, Honeyfern fell in love with the bossiest cat in the Clan much to every cat’s surprise and inevitably gave her life to protect one of the Clan’s youngest, Poppyfrost nearly died and Jayfeather saved her life, then once again when she was nearly killed by Breezepelt. Going on, Spiderleg had a mate he did not love, Birchfall had his childhood crush of Whitewing and was mentioned to be a bit of a bully in Power of Three before he matured, and last but not least, Rosepetal helped save Briarlight and got jayfeather's herbs bc she was skinny like her dad. I can go on and date distinguishing character traits of minor characters from previous arcs, but this has gone on long enough, and I’ll assume my point has already been made. There are arguably dozens of more characters in recent books, most who don’t even appear in all books. Many ThunderClan cats just appear in three books of A Vision of Shadows, same with The Broken Code. Who is Honeyfur or Shellfur or Plumstone? Who's Eaglewing?
Ashfur’s revival and SkyClan coming back to the lake, alongside the Tribe of Rushing Water and the old forest, they are not new. They are ideas from old arcs done and over brought back, padded out, just to fill more books. And it’s evident when the plot line is over. Darktail is defeated in Book 3 of AVOS. Nothing happens after that. It’s three more books of mediocre nonsense that I can’t tell you if I sat here and tried, and I reread it two weeks ago. The Broken Code discards any lore we have ever had for StarClan and stomps on it in the ground. There is no plot in A Starless Clan other than RiverClan has no leader.
In Graystripe’s Vow, you made Graystripe take a completely out of character trip where he ditched his best friend’s daughter to go back to the old forest (a trip, which, by the way, Vicky Holmes said was 100+ miles, so let’s not even talk about the fact that it’s physically impossible, but you have no content so let’s make SkyClan take that trip twice, Onestar, and Graystripe). Even then, you didn’t have enough content to make an entire super edition, so you experimented with bringing an idea from the past - BloodClan, which was gone after Ravenpaw’s Path. And the only thing about Squirrelflight’s Hope that I’ll say is that apparently characters can decide if they live or die now. They rely on rehashed plot lines to keep the series going, and it's why they haven't stopped milking Bramblestar/Squirrelflight, because their new characters are so bland that they can't keep a series riding on them. It's evident in Dawn of the Clans, too.
The plots are boring. They're also bad. A Vision of Shadows had the plot in only three books. Nothing happened after Book 3 except SkyClan, and that's tearing down more than 4 books built on SkyClan living in the gorge which is what made them unique. They had two super editions and three graphic novels dedicated to that, including another in Ravenpaw's Farewell. The Broken Code brought Ashfur back and broke every single rule and brings back numerous plot holes that makes no sense. And A Starless Clan has dragged out long enough. It's not getting any better, even with Thunder.
I used to love Warriors, and I still do - at least, the first four arcs and the early super editions. But this editing team has completely ruined it for me. They do not know the series. It's basically published fanfiction that makes money at this point; a lot of it, which is why it's still running. It's just painfully bad at this point and I want it to stop, but it still makes money so they won't stop.
This is getting long enough as it is, so I'll just leave it at that. I guess tl;dr - the new editing team is bad and they've ruined the series for me. Vicky gave this world lots of love and lots of thought, and they basically threw it in the trash.
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Asexual
#A3E4D7
Name Colour
🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄
rdj as doctor doom was not on my bingo card
Pronouns: She/her, they/them
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Nov 8, 2023 10:59:35 GMT -5
I'm on Tumblr. I like the art, AUs, and discussion there. I wasn't on Tumblr during the SqH discourse other than lurking on that one blog who got the book early. From what I've heard, they would death-threat or DNI people who liked Bramblestar as a character, even seperately from the discourse. I agree with some of their takes but disagree with others.
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Post by yuki on Nov 8, 2023 11:40:24 GMT -5
ive never actually had negative experiences on tumblr. Most of wc accs that i see are chill.
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Aroace
#ffa100
Name Colour
𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 8, 2023 16:58:42 GMT -5
I have a tumblr blog but only use it to look at art and AUs as well as hopefully having the courage to share some of my own cringe (but I love it) "art" and AUs one day (still not brave enough lol).
Will block anyone on there on sight though who tries to come for me for still liking Bramblestar (my feelings on him are complicated and liking a character doesn't always mean to condone or excuse their every behaviour and actions). Also, at the end of the day, him (and Squirrelflight, whom I also like at the same time, which must be a mindblowing concept to some people these days) are fictional characters from a children's book series about melodramatic battle cat cults and it's really not that deep to ever warrant personal attacks on someone for liking him. And death threats are never and will never be okay to send to someone just because the person sending them thinks "Bramble bad". And like, people are, of course, allowed to hate him (or Squirrelflight) all they want. But it's honestly wild to me that some fans make personal judgements about the real lives of others based on which Warriors cat they like or dislike. Or post shit takes like: "If you hate Squirrelflight, just admit already that you hate all women and go." Yikes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 23:40:34 GMT -5
It's really hard for me to take any part of the fanbase on YouTube, Twitter, or Tumblr seriously. I've seen some of the worst takes out there, and I just find the general attitude somewhat frustrating. Y'all have no idea how glad I am to have come to wcrpforums.com. I hop onto Tumblr for interesting AUs and what do I get? Someone asking if Bramblestar has been thrown into kitty hell yet. I'm glad the forums exist with people that don't worship Squirrelflight and bash on Bramblestar. I'm sorry, but with Thunder out... I need to rant a little about Squirrelflight.
I don't agree with the idea that she should be given leadership as a consolation prize for everything she's been through, considering that Bramblestar's reward for the same trauma conga line is more trauma and retirement. She's acted horrendously towards him this arc.
I also don't agree with the power-gap nonsense. Is he supposed to just... never accept a promotion because he might give Squirrelflight an order she doesn't like?
Anyway, I want her dead at this point. If not by vote-of-no-confidence, then let her get killed somehow and reveal that she never got any lives. I'm sorry, I just can't take her anymore.
I'm not here to debate or argue with anyone, these are just my opinions.
I've surprised even myself with how much my dislike for her has skyrocketed. this this this THIS. i can’t begin to describe my absolute fury with this arc. you explained it perfectly
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 23:44:57 GMT -5
i just today got posted on a popular person’s twitter bashing me for something i didn’t do. i had to delete my account because i was so scared. honest to god, i’m scared of this fandom. everything in this fandom feels like i’m about to get attacked and harassed for just existing. it’s exhausting to be odd-balled out bc of an opinion and i don’t even feel safe posting about my likes and dislikes on any app.
this website was the only place i felt comfortable posting on, yet a few days ago i found someone talking crap about me on discord. it’s like i’m the butt of everyone’s jokes and honest to god, it’s exhausting. why do i need to defend my favorite cat just because opinions stand against him? it’s almost like people just can’t let others have opinions, like who cares!
and honestly speaking, tumblr, twitter, and youtube are cesspools that i feel unsafe in. it’s just scary to exist in this fandom lmao
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 23:46:51 GMT -5
Just went on tumblr and immediately see a post supporting SquirrelflightxLeafpool. Yup, nothing has changed. god i want to bleach my ****ing brain was it the one where they said it’s more normal in society to ship abusers over siblings or some shit like that?? i saw that too LMAO
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Post by rabbit on Nov 12, 2023 8:38:18 GMT -5
The warriors fandom is really toxic hivemind in some spaces. It’s like bruh. Chill. I’m just here to enjoy a fictional book series about cats. No need to make sweeping generalizations about my morality just because I don’t feel the same way about characters or parts of the story like you do. I swear there is like a “meta” on how warriors fans must interpret things. If you’re a casual reader not up-to-date on it, trying to talk about Warriors might cause unpleasantness, unfun, bullying, and angry children and young adults with too much time on their hands sending you angry messages to you or passive-aggressively among themselves.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Nov 12, 2023 19:30:46 GMT -5
i just today got posted on a popular person’s twitter bashing me for something i didn’t do. i had to delete my account because i was so scared. honest to god, i’m scared of this fandom. everything in this fandom feels like i’m about to get attacked and harassed for just existing. it’s exhausting to be odd-balled out bc of an opinion and i don’t even feel safe posting about my likes and dislikes on any app. this website was the only place i felt comfortable posting on, yet a few days ago i found someone talking crap about me on discord. it’s like i’m the butt of everyone’s jokes and honest to god, it’s exhausting. why do i need to defend my favorite cat just because opinions stand against him? it’s almost like people just can’t let others have opinions, like who cares! and honestly speaking, tumblr, twitter, and youtube are cesspools that i feel unsafe in. it’s just scary to exist in this fandom lmao Who was it? You can DM me if you feel too uncomfortable posting them on here. Of course, if you don't wanna say either way, I respect that too <3 Sorry people are so awful :/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 20:04:48 GMT -5
i just today got posted on a popular person’s twitter bashing me for something i didn’t do. i had to delete my account because i was so scared. honest to god, i’m scared of this fandom. everything in this fandom feels like i’m about to get attacked and harassed for just existing. it’s exhausting to be odd-balled out bc of an opinion and i don’t even feel safe posting about my likes and dislikes on any app. this website was the only place i felt comfortable posting on, yet a few days ago i found someone talking crap about me on discord. it’s like i’m the butt of everyone’s jokes and honest to god, it’s exhausting. why do i need to defend my favorite cat just because opinions stand against him? it’s almost like people just can’t let others have opinions, like who cares! and honestly speaking, tumblr, twitter, and youtube are cesspools that i feel unsafe in. it’s just scary to exist in this fandom lmao Who was it? You can DM me if you feel too uncomfortable posting them on here. Of course, if you don't wanna say either way, I respect that too <3 Sorry people are so awful :/ i’ll pm! and thank you
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 13, 2023 3:12:01 GMT -5
Just went on tumblr and immediately see a post supporting SquirrelflightxLeafpool. Yup, nothing has changed. god i want to bleach my ****ing brain thats the proship side... majority of the fandom including most of tumblr hates those ppl lol
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 13, 2023 3:19:24 GMT -5
agreeing with other ppl here ive never had a negative warriors tumblr experience myself... i find a lot of my opinions match with theirs but also a lot dont and i still have a good time there. i've never found people being rude over people's opinions and i'm on that site 24/7. i find that if you just explain your opinion in a non-rude way they're not gonna be rude back?? ive seen tons of people be asked on their reasoning for their unconventional opinions and then respond in a rude way and then when they get a negative response they go to another site and complain about how awful the website is because they got what they dished out (though i will admit i've seen a few people get bashed for their opinions. id say its namely bramblestar fans but its actually just namely squirrelfight haters, those two opinions usually go hand-in-hand)
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Post by tollfarok on Nov 14, 2023 0:32:40 GMT -5
beefur 🌳 🍃 🌊 the moment I saw someone say that Lionblaze is a serial abuser "no better than Crowfeather, Rainflower and Bramblestar" I knew something was not right there lmaoo
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Post by thewinterblaze on Nov 14, 2023 1:07:44 GMT -5
beefur 🌳 🍃 🌊 the moment I saw someone say that Lionblaze is a serial abuser "no better than Crowfeather, Rainflower and Bramblestar" I knew something was not right there lmaoo Frrrr like I hop on tumblr looking for some AUs and what do I see? A post condemning Gray Wing, GRAY WING, as a misogynist. Like at some point it just stops being funny and starts being worrying.
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Post by کیوان on Nov 14, 2023 1:30:26 GMT -5
beefur 🌳 🍃 🌊 the moment I saw someone say that Lionblaze is a serial abuser "no better than Crowfeather, Rainflower and Bramblestar" I knew something was not right there lmaoo Frrrr like I hop on tumblr looking for some AUs and what do I see? A post condemning Gray Wing, GRAY WING, as a misogynist. Like at some point it just stops being funny and starts being worrying. That one scene involving Bumble is all they have to go on. Give them an inch and they take a mile.
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