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Post by {Azure} on Nov 6, 2023 23:47:43 GMT -5
dark forest no doubt in my mind
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Post by yuki on Nov 7, 2023 1:13:57 GMT -5
i dont think she really deserved it as much as oakstar did. i think frecklewish's feelings are valid, her brother died and she felt confused, hurt, and alone. she had lost her mother and her brother at this point. while i dont like how frecklewish treated mapleshade and her kits, not to mention when it was revealed she watched them drown AND it states in the warrior code, all kits from any clan should be saved from danger no matter what. frecklewish did ignore this code, which isnt okay, but she was still in a state of feeling betrayed. Dont get me wrong, im not even a fan of frecklewish but if shes getting sent to the darkforest, oakstar should too. (i wrote this late, so if it makes no sense im sorry lmo. )
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Post by moongloweevee on Nov 7, 2023 7:18:44 GMT -5
i dont think she really deserved it as much as oakstar did. i think frecklewish's feelings are valid, her brother died and she felt confused, hurt, and alone. she had lost her mother and her brother at this point. while i dont like how frecklewish treated mapleshade and her kits, not to mention when it was revealed she watched them drown AND it states in the warrior code, all kits from any clan should be saved from danger no matter what. frecklewish did ignore this code, which isnt okay, but she was still in a state of feeling betrayed. Dont get me wrong, im not even a fan of frecklewish but if shes getting sent to the darkforest, oakstar should too. (i wrote this late, so if it makes no sense im sorry lmo. ) I disagree. Trained professionals say that you should never go into a raging river. She left BEFORE Mapleshade crossed the river and she saw a Riverclan patrol across the river. If she had stayed and watched, it would have been a different story or maybe she could have tried calling out for the patrol, which might have brought the kits a few more minutes, but neither of them knew that the river would have started to rage. Frecklewish saw her brother get carried away and his apprentice went in after him (I forget her name) but they both drowned. Even Whiteclaw (someone trained to swim) ended up getting carried away by the river after getting pushed in by Graystripe. Frecklewish would have either ended up dying sooner had she jumped in or made the patrol split into saving both Mapleshade and Frecklewish. Who knows if they'd be able to save the kits bodies at that point? When Mapleshade was banished, there wasn't a storm yet and by the time she made it the rocks, the storm had kicked up and she could barely even hear her own kits above the wind.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 7, 2023 7:25:30 GMT -5
Definitely not the second option. Oakstar 100% deserved Dark Forest, but in my mind, Ravenwing and Frecklewish both deserved trials, not immediately being sent to Dark Forest. Frecklewish for attacking Mapleshade in front of her kits and calling them harsh words, Ravenwing for endangering them by not using his position of power to do anything about them being exiled.
And Appledusk pretty much just cheated on her. "He abandoned Mapleshade" - he shouldn't feel obligated to keep her in the Clan and he definitely wouldn't have been able to keep her there, considering he was already on thin ice with his Clanmates. As for him apologising when he was backed into a corner, I think he proved that he meant that apology when he literally sacrificed himself for Reedshine and their kits.
I voted for the first option.
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Post by Slightdapple on Nov 7, 2023 8:26:43 GMT -5
No, she’s innocent. She was hurt that Mapleshade lied about her kits’ father being her dead brother. I don’t like how she treated the kits and called them creatures, but she shouldn’t have had to jump into a raging, flooding river while she still had trauma about her brother and his apprentice drowning, and she didn’t know how to swim and would have probably drowned.
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flipwish
when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Nov 7, 2023 10:23:42 GMT -5
y'know technically it could be argued that she didn't even break the warrior code and that bothers me. the code never says anything about kits outside the clans and at that point maple and her kits were technically rogues. this isn't to say it was Completely Morally Correct to do nothing- I just think the code was (and still is) very flawed, this time in what it did and didn't actually say
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Post by yuki on Nov 7, 2023 11:45:54 GMT -5
i dont think she really deserved it as much as oakstar did. i think frecklewish's feelings are valid, her brother died and she felt confused, hurt, and alone. she had lost her mother and her brother at this point. while i dont like how frecklewish treated mapleshade and her kits, not to mention when it was revealed she watched them drown AND it states in the warrior code, all kits from any clan should be saved from danger no matter what. frecklewish did ignore this code, which isnt okay, but she was still in a state of feeling betrayed. Dont get me wrong, im not even a fan of frecklewish but if shes getting sent to the darkforest, oakstar should too. (i wrote this late, so if it makes no sense im sorry lmo. ) I disagree. Trained professionals say that you should never go into a raging river. She left BEFORE Mapleshade crossed the river and she saw a Riverclan patrol across the river. If she had stayed and watched, it would have been a different story or maybe she could have tried calling out for the patrol, which might have brought the kits a few more minutes, but neither of them knew that the river would have started to rage. Frecklewish saw her brother get carried away and his apprentice went in after him (I forget her name) but they both drowned. Even Whiteclaw (someone trained to swim) ended up getting carried away by the river after getting pushed in by Graystripe. Frecklewish would have either ended up dying sooner had she jumped in or made the patrol split into saving both Mapleshade and Frecklewish. Who knows if they'd be able to save the kits bodies at that point? When Mapleshade was banished, there wasn't a storm yet and by the time she made it the rocks, the storm had kicked up and she could barely even hear her own kits above the wind. A very good point.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 7, 2023 13:53:11 GMT -5
oueghh not this again
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Post by lightfur on Nov 7, 2023 13:55:49 GMT -5
I don't think she should have, but she wasn't entirely innocent in the situation. After she found out who the kits father was she attacked Mapleshade and called the kits "Half-clan creatures". I still think the reasoning why she was put in the Dark Forest was dumb. It would have been impossible for her to rescue the kits from the river, and there were several places that Mapleshade could have taken her kits to instead of a visibly rushing river. (Basically what moongloweevee said.) If they cited her attitude towards the kits after the reveal, I would kind of understand, but I still think that would be stupid, seeing as there's cats that have done worse that have gone to Starclan. (Russetfur not helping Berrykit, Rainflower, the whole Ashfur rabbit hole,) and when Oakstar exiles the kittens who did nothing wrong, he ends up going to Starclan. I do personally believe Oakstar should have gone to the Dark Forest though, for exiling literal kittens because of what their father did. (It's not even a Brokenstar or Tigerstar case where they were "born evil", it's just "half-clan cats bad." Ravenwing's omen didn't indicate that the kits were dangerous, just that they "didn't belong." It comes off as cruel.) I also strongly agree that Frecklewish and Ravenwing should have had a trial though, and I don't think that Ravenwing should go to the Dark Forest, but he's also not entirely innocent either. TLDR: Frecklewish isn't innocent, but I don't believe she should have gone there, especially thing there's been cats who have done worse and broken the "No Warrior shall leave a kit in pain" and gone to Starclan. But somthing I haven't seen be discussed is how they will handle her if she does appear in the books again, since the story team has said that it's a canon thing that she's in the Dark Forest now. If we see the Dark Forest in the current arc (With the implication that Curlfeather is there, we very likely will.) I feel like she's going to be there. I feel like if Frecklewish shows up, Mapleshape will be like "Oh, Frecklewish! You're the evil cat who left my kittens to die! And you've been here with me all along!" I really wouldn't like that in all honesty, but that's just my thought. I'd like to see more about how people think she will be portrayed in the books proper. Laslty, the reason I believe the choice to put Frecklewish in the Dark Forest was made because of the new team not reading the full story or misinterpreting things. This already has happened many times. (Brackenfur mentioning Graystripe was a good mentor when anybody who has read the books where he was mentoring him would know that's not true, plus the entirety of Redtail's debt.) I believe they read MV and took Mapleshade saying that Frecklewish watched the kits drown literally and put her in the Dark Forest because of that.
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Post by Quill on Nov 7, 2023 18:19:01 GMT -5
LOL every time I see polls like this I think about the Skyclan Medicine cat and I get tripped up. I think she shouldn't go to the dark forest but she isn't morally innocent. Imho I think she deserved some punishment from Thunderclan but not the dark forest. If I had a nickel every time a speckled light-colored she-cat from Warriors was named Frecklewish . . .
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Nov 7, 2023 18:59:22 GMT -5
No.
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Capybaracoat
It’s time to blast Mariah Carry every where.
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Post by Capybaracoat on Nov 7, 2023 19:01:00 GMT -5
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Nov 7, 2023 19:08:57 GMT -5
No as in frecklewish shouldn’t have gone to the dark forest. We don’t even know if she saw the kits die. She said she didn’t know they died, and she didn’t tell her clan. I think she would have told at least her father, oakstar, that they died.
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