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Post by pepperflake on Oct 29, 2023 9:54:36 GMT -5
After thinking about Hollyleaf, I was wondering if she should have gone to the darkforest for murdering Ashfur. Thoughts?
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 29, 2023 11:57:36 GMT -5
Nope.
However, I do still wish the situation of Hollyleaf trying to poison her own mother Leafpool at the end of PoT was actually adressed afterwards instead of them both just forgiving each other at the end of OotS while Hollyleaf was dying, but Hollyleaf had already punished herself by self-imposed exile even though I don't think she really ever regretted killing Ashfur.
Either way, Leafpool forgave her, Ashfur seemingly did in SqH (but that was all an act, of course) and she also died to protect Ivypool. StarClan loves it when cats sacrifice themselves.
And besides, if cats like Skystar, Oakstar, Blackstar, Leopardstar, Rainflower and Mudclaw can go to StarClan, with either badly written redemptions or none at all, then so can Hollyleaf, who actually got a decent one even though she kinda felt like a different character from PoT in OotS (which was probaly the point but is still worth pointing out).
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Post by finland on Oct 29, 2023 14:04:51 GMT -5
Hollyleaf shouldn't have even died.
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Post by Slightdapple on Oct 29, 2023 16:09:38 GMT -5
No.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 29, 2023 16:16:05 GMT -5
Considering that Ashfur attempted to kill 4 cats and did succeed in making Firestar lose a life and still got into Starclan... Hollyleaf committing one murder is small pickings. If Ashfur loved too much, then Hollyleaf was simply protecting her family.
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Post by oatwhisker on Oct 30, 2023 9:13:58 GMT -5
neither. hollyleaf should be a border guard between the df and starclan, like juniperclaw is. i understand that ashfur and skystar and blackstar and other cats who have committed horrible atrocities have gotten in, but that shouldn't have happened either. i agree that hollyleaf did have some sort of redemption but she still deserves a punishment. just because someone does something good doesnt mean it erases their mistakes. alternatively, she couldve gone to the tunnels to live with fallen leaves for good
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Post by finland on Oct 30, 2023 9:16:13 GMT -5
neither. hollyleaf should be a border guard between the df and starclan, like juniperclaw is. i understand that ashfur and skystar and blackstar and other cats who have committed horrible atrocities have gotten in, but that shouldn't have happened either. i agree that hollyleaf did have some sort of redemption but she still deserves a punishment. just because someone does something good doesnt mean it erases their mistakes. alternatively, she couldve gone to the tunnels to live with fallen leaves for good Her punishment was death
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Post by oatwhisker on Oct 30, 2023 9:22:08 GMT -5
neither. hollyleaf should be a border guard between the df and starclan, like juniperclaw is. i understand that ashfur and skystar and blackstar and other cats who have committed horrible atrocities have gotten in, but that shouldn't have happened either. i agree that hollyleaf did have some sort of redemption but she still deserves a punishment. just because someone does something good doesnt mean it erases their mistakes. alternatively, she couldve gone to the tunnels to live with fallen leaves for good Her punishment was death that's not good enough though, every cat dies and i feel like she was only given a slap on the wrist for what she did. she tried to poison her own mother, she killed ashfur, she zealously followed the warrior code to the point where it destroyed multiple lives, and instead of facing the consequences, she ran away. she's one of my favorite characters, but she wasn't done justice for the awful, selfish things she did while she was alive.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 30, 2023 16:23:11 GMT -5
No. She genuinely repented and regretted her actions, that’s all that is needed. I don’t subscribe to the “pound of flesh for pound of flesh” mentality about justice.
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Post by thisname on Nov 5, 2023 11:06:13 GMT -5
I know this is a poll but, This is the first time I have seen someone mention Hollyleaf. So I just need to talk about a theory, So we know that Hollyleaf is not one of the three right? What if I told you that she had a power, let me explain. In one of the Books, Hollyleaf had quoted that she was wanted to understand everything. But later on the story, StarClan tells us that she is not a part of the three. But When JayFeather, Lionblaze and Dovepaw were transported to the ancestors of the Tribe of Rushing Water, Rock Quotes "So many cats have waited for you, Since before the dawn of the Clans!" This indicates that they were waiting for the three to be reborn in the clans, but Hollyleaf was also reborn along with the three, my guess is that she got her power taken away for killing Ashfur. I'm assuming her power is, when a prophecy is given by StarClan, she could understand how to fulfill the prophecy or something like that.
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