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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Apr 30, 2023 3:31:40 GMT -5
What would be a strange random animal to include in a future Warriors book and what do you think the situation would be?
Past questions:
Which cat would be most likely to adopt (or try to adopt) a prey animal? And what would happen after? Who would make the most incompetent leader and why? Do you suspect any cats (barring canonical pairings) are in a cross-clan relationship? Who would you just like to see in one? What would be the scariest 'twoleg' concept for the Clans to feasibly find out about and how could they possibly discover it? What would be the worst order you could suggest for someone to read the books in?
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Apr 30, 2023 3:57:27 GMT -5
Alderheart. Totally see him doing it. Especially a rabbit
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Post by ! $abir (Ġray) ! on Apr 30, 2023 4:57:38 GMT -5
Spottedleaf! My logic is that one scene where she asked Featherwhisker if he revived the prey on the fresh kill pile.
Anyway, it depends on the type of prey. Crows and ravens might be able to learn cat speech (if they lasted long enough) but any prey would most likely be eaten immediately (unless the clan was convinced it was sent by starclan or something) but most likely any prey would be killed immediately
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 30, 2023 6:19:13 GMT -5
Ever since I saw fanart of Jayfeather having a jay bird as a companion/familiar I have just loved the concept of it however unlikely/unpractical it would be for the both the cat and prey (since the prey would probably get eaten by the cat asap in most cases). Here it is (by dinojay-art on tumblr): As for other ideas, Hollyleaf was basically trying to adopt that fox cup in her novella anyways (I know foxes are not prey animals, at least not to cats but still) so that's a given in terms of AU potential in regards to her actually having an adopted fox son or daughter imo (leaning more towards her having a fox son though for some reason though lol). Found one (by ozawells on tumblr): Now I just need one more with Lionblaze getting his own adopted animal (although for him it would be better to get a fellow carnivore as a companion rather than a prey animal since he just gives the vibe of immediately just chomping down on any prey "for some reason"). Mayhaps a large Golden Retriever dog? Hoping somebody will draw that one day, similarly to the concepts featured above, or else I will (and do a really bad job at it because art is just not my strongest skill). So yeah, a jay for Jayfeather (the only actual prey animal out of the Original Three's companions), a fox for Hollyleaf and a dog for Lionblaze (Golden Retriever). It's kinda fitting for the more violent LeafCrow kits to have fellow carnivore companions while the "calmer" one gets a little bird (prey animal) lmao. Now I'm thinking about an adopted animal for the last of Crowfeather's kits...how about a stoat (not technically prey either, I know) for Breezepelt rofl.
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Post by Ambersky on Apr 30, 2023 14:42:01 GMT -5
Alderheart; he felt sympathy for the sickly rabbit that was eating the skin of the death berries. If he feels sympathy for prey (which most cats don't), I can see him adopting one for whatever reason.
Hollyleaf; she looked after a fox cub in her novella (if she's willing to look after a baby predator, she's likely to adopt a prey animal)
Gray Wing, Violetshine, Briarlight because... it just fits.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on May 1, 2023 21:14:33 GMT -5
I once saw fanart of Hollyleaf and her Stand, 「FALLEN LEAVES」, JoJo posing with the fox from the novella. So if I have to pick one, I'll pick that. I wish I could find it again. (If anyone else knows where it is or has it saved, you're my hero.)
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on May 3, 2023 12:47:57 GMT -5
I'm just dumping silly questions here.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 3, 2023 13:00:39 GMT -5
Discounting (newborn) kits for obvious reasons, Sol would've been a a whole mess of utter incompetence, which we've indeed "seen" (or rather just read about but which mostly happened off-screen anyways) during the relatively short time he seemingly was in charge of ShadowClan from the end of Eclipse to the almost mid point of Long Shadows (iirc) when they finally chased him out after Blackstar saw Raggedstar and Runningnose from StarClan. He also was in charge of Jingo's group at the twoleg place near the sundrown place afterwards for a short time, of which we saw the rather disastrous aftermath of during Sunrise.
Sol only cares about himself and what he wants/deserves. Not good qualities to have for leadership. But then again, there were arguably much worse cats who also got to lead a Clan (Brokenstar and Tigerstar, just to name the absolute worst of the bunch). Not sure if the word "incompetent" applies to most/a lot of them though and the word "bad" or "evil" just fits much better.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 14:19:26 GMT -5
Owlnose. We've seen how doubtful he is, and a doubtful leader wouldn't be able to hold their own against a rival clan or even their own. A leader needs to be clear headed and know what they're doing.
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Post by Moonblazer on May 3, 2023 14:45:32 GMT -5
Hm, I think maybe Tree, as much as he can mediate, I don’t think that would transfer well over to the kinds of formalities and responsibilities tasked onto a leader. I feel like Tree would hate all that kind of pressure on him, or having to sometimes know when conflict is the best path to take.
Jayfeather would be insufferable as a leader, gatherings would just be insult wars lmao.
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Post by ! $abir (Ġray) ! on May 3, 2023 15:11:19 GMT -5
Darkstripe would be a terrible leader
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Post by stupidflower on May 3, 2023 15:17:16 GMT -5
We’ve seen Ashfur as a leader. It didn’t go very well. Lionblaze isn’t great, either. Besides them, I’d say Lightleap would be pretty annoying. I don’t even want to know how Berryheart as leader would go.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on May 3, 2023 21:22:35 GMT -5
Hawkfrost...
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Post by Darkwillow on May 4, 2023 9:14:18 GMT -5
I think Foxheart would've been a terrible leader
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on May 4, 2023 16:05:54 GMT -5
Who would make the most incompetent leader and why? Any kit or apprentice, it would be chaos since they're young. (Look at poor Frostpaw's tries, and that's not even the worst that could happen!) Prophecies Begin era Cloudtail. A goof who has no idea what he is doing. Purdy. All of the gatherings and Clan meetings would last forever because he would derail so much into his story. POT/OOTS era Breezepelt. Or any character in an angst phase... That's all I can think of for now.
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on May 4, 2023 16:07:18 GMT -5
Owlnose. We've seen how doubtful he is, and a doubtful leader wouldn't be able to hold their own against a rival clan or even their own. A leader needs to be clear headed and know what they're doing. "Would you rather have a weak, indecisive leader like Owlnose, or no leader at all?"
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 16:21:02 GMT -5
Owlnose. We've seen how doubtful he is, and a doubtful leader wouldn't be able to hold their own against a rival clan or even their own. A leader needs to be clear headed and know what they're doing. "Would you rather have a weak, indecisive leader like Owlnose, or no leader at all?"Actually thought about that poll as I was typing my post, haha! Like Owlnose as a character a lot. But yeah no way would he be a competent leader. I agree with a lot of the answers here too. I'm going to add Runningwind as well, since it's stated he's impatient to the point where he wouldn't be able to deal with an apprentice. Impatience is a poor trait for any leader to have, especially when so much as a mouse can start a war between clans if tensions are high enough. Though maybe "incompetent" is too harsh for someone with impatience, just unsuited for the position.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on May 8, 2023 4:49:49 GMT -5
New question
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 8, 2023 6:06:10 GMT -5
Still waiting for Mousewhisker x Minnowtail to be confirmed as canon. Even after all these years and no matter how unlikely it will be at this point.
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Post by Quill on May 8, 2023 7:36:38 GMT -5
He's dead, but I suspect that Rainwhisker might have been in a cross-clan relationship in WindClan based on his fascination with their territory in one of the novellas (I'm pretty sure it's Redtail's Debt?)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 8:18:15 GMT -5
I'm an absolute sucker for Mousewhisker/Minnowtail.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 8, 2023 9:17:46 GMT -5
He's dead, but I suspect that Rainwhisker might have been in a cross-clan relationship in WindClan based on his fascination with their territory in one of the novellas (I'm pretty sure it's Redtail's Debt?) Considering that Rainwhisker was not even born yet during Redtail's Debt, I'm pretty sure it's a different book you're thinking of. I think this (his fascination with the WindClan territory) might've happened somewhere in the Then parts of Graystripe's Vow instead. Couldn't find anything about it in his wiki article though. Something interesting about him to note there, is that he has WindClan blood through his great-grandfather Windflight, who was a half-Clan cat (his mother was Squirrelwhisker of ThunderClan while his father was Eaglestorm of WindClan). While another fun thing is that according to one of Su Susann's non-canon Missing Kits shenanigans, Rainwhisker became friends with Swallowtail (the one from RiverClan though and not the WindClan one) while on the Great Journey and she later on named her son Rainstorm after him. I'm pretty sure it's actually canon that Rainwhisker became close to Swallowtail (there was a brief mention of it somewhere in the latter half of TNP) but not that Rainstorm is her son or that she named him after her former TC friend. Otherwise, I'd be very convinced that Rainwhisker might've been Rainstorm's father and Swallowtail's secret cross-Clan mate. Just saying. warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Rainwhisker?so=search (under his Trivia and Family sections)
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Post by valleylight on May 8, 2023 10:34:37 GMT -5
Applefur could have been in a cross-Clan relationship, maybe with one of her fellow Dark Forest trainees. She was close friends with Birchkit when she and her siblings made the journey to the lake, so she had a foundation of caring for cats from other Clans. She even mentions wanting to protect other Clans and fight alongside them to Ivypool. Maybe the idea of befriending and training with “enemy” warriors is what drew her to the Dark Forest in the first place. I could see her and Beetlewhisker growing close, and his death opening her eyes to the truth of the Dark Forest, compelling her to fight and give her life for the Clans in the Great Battle.
I could also see Flipclaw, Gullswoop, or Harelight in a cross-Clan relationship. Harelight especially seems like a good candidate, given his history with ShadowClan and general open-minded sensibility. I think he and Eaglewing could be an interesting pair, but a more interesting (if unlikely) case could be him and Cloverfoot growing close during her time as co-regent.
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on May 8, 2023 10:35:41 GMT -5
MousexMinnow FOR SURE! I also think that Bramblepaw may have been acquainted with the other ShadowClan apprentices in his age group via Tawnypaw. I also like the generational "cliques" that form when the Clans do certain quests (The sun-drown-place cats and the friendship of kits, apprentices, and young warriors during the Great Journey in TNP; the group going to the Tribe in PoT; the beaver patrol in OotS; the various SkyClan-related patrols in AVoS; the early Rebels and Sister Patrol in TBC; and probably the Catmint Patrol in ASC.)
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on May 8, 2023 10:39:51 GMT -5
Applefur could have been in a cross-Clan relationship, maybe with one of her fellow Dark Forest trainees. She was close friends with Birchkit when she and her siblings made the journey to the lake, so she had a foundation of caring for cats from other Clans. She even mentions wanting to protect other Clans and fight alongside them to Ivypool. Maybe the idea of befriending and training with “enemy” warriors is what drew her to the Dark Forest in the first place. I could see her and Beetlewhisker growing close, and his death opening her eyes to the truth of the Dark Forest, compelling her to fight and give her life for the Clans in the Great Battle. I could also see Flipclaw, Gullswoop, or Harelight in a cross-Clan relationship. Harelight especially seems like a good candidate, given his history with ShadowClan and general open-minded sensibility. I think he and Eaglewing could be an interesting pair, but a more interesting (if unlikely) case could be him and Cloverfoot growing close during her time as co-regent. I have a headcanon of Applefur being close to Ivypool with her being Birchfall's daughter. I also think that Birchfall could have a lovely story about his life, and a possible love triangle between Applefur and Whitewing, with Birchfall ultimately choosing the cat who delayed her Warrior Ceremony for him over a friend from kitty cat kindergarten.
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on May 8, 2023 10:41:09 GMT -5
mintedstar/fur🦇 I am loving these questions! They may seem unimportant but they really help us discuss certain themes and events in the books that get looked over. Thank you!! :D
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 8, 2023 10:59:42 GMT -5
Applefur could have been in a cross-Clan relationship, maybe with one of her fellow Dark Forest trainees. She was close friends with Birchkit when she and her siblings made the journey to the lake, so she had a foundation of caring for cats from other Clans. She even mentions wanting to protect other Clans and fight alongside them to Ivypool. Maybe the idea of befriending and training with “enemy” warriors is what drew her to the Dark Forest in the first place. I could see her and Beetlewhisker growing close, and his death opening her eyes to the truth of the Dark Forest, compelling her to fight and give her life for the Clans in the Great Battle. I could also see Flipclaw, Gullswoop, or Harelight in a cross-Clan relationship. Harelight especially seems like a good candidate, given his history with ShadowClan and general open-minded sensibility. I think he and Eaglewing could be an interesting pair, but a more interesting (if unlikely) case could be him and Cloverfoot growing close during her time as co-regent. Those are some great ideas for cross-Clan relationships! I honestly expected Birchfall and Applefur to maybe reconnect as young warriors after their previous friendship as kits on the Great Journey and perhaps become secret mates (before WhiteBirch became canon) upon reading TNP/PoT/OotS for the first time as a child/teen. Considering that there was a lowkey theme of those types of relationships throughout PoT/OotS (albeit mainly the aftermath of LeafCrow as well as the start of TigerDove), I'm pretty happy that cross-Clan relationships are now officially allowed and hope there'll be more surprise pairings showing up/getting announced in future ASC books. Gullswoop getting with someone from another Clan after previously agreeing with her sister Berryheart's rather hostile stance on those types of relationships would certainly be interesting for her character. Cloverfoot x Harelight could be neat too, however unlikely. I'm personally still really hoping that Sunbeam's brother Hollowspring also changes his mind about his mother's "little club" and ultimately gets with someone from a different Clan as well. That way, all three of Berryheart's second litter of kits would be involved in a cross-Clan relationship (so Hollowspring with whoever from another Clan, alongside SpireFringe and NightSun) and she would have a full on Karen meltdown over it. Wasn't Gorsetail (WindClan) from PoT also in a cross-Clan relationship with Beechfur of RiverClan (their kits are Thistleheart, Swallowtail and Sedgewhisker) but it was never adressed during any of the books for some reason?
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Post by valleylight on May 8, 2023 14:27:14 GMT -5
Applefur could have been in a cross-Clan relationship, maybe with one of her fellow Dark Forest trainees. She was close friends with Birchkit when she and her siblings made the journey to the lake, so she had a foundation of caring for cats from other Clans. She even mentions wanting to protect other Clans and fight alongside them to Ivypool. Maybe the idea of befriending and training with “enemy” warriors is what drew her to the Dark Forest in the first place. I could see her and Beetlewhisker growing close, and his death opening her eyes to the truth of the Dark Forest, compelling her to fight and give her life for the Clans in the Great Battle. I could also see Flipclaw, Gullswoop, or Harelight in a cross-Clan relationship. Harelight especially seems like a good candidate, given his history with ShadowClan and general open-minded sensibility. I think he and Eaglewing could be an interesting pair, but a more interesting (if unlikely) case could be him and Cloverfoot growing close during her time as co-regent. I have a headcanon of Applefur being close to Ivypool with her being Birchfall's daughter. I also think that Birchfall could have a lovely story about his life, and a possible love triangle between Applefur and Whitewing, with Birchfall ultimately choosing the cat who delayed her Warrior Ceremony for him over a friend from kitty cat kindergarten. I really like this idea for Birchfall! I could see Applefur watching over Dovewing and Ivypool from StarClan, and Toadfoot teasing her for being excited when Dovewing joins ShadowClan to be with Tigerheart. Maybe (Spoiler for Sky) Rowankit and Marshkit play together now in StarClan.
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