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Post by wofruler on Mar 22, 2023 9:38:54 GMT -5
Alright, so, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight's relationship is...complicated. One second they're the perfect couple, next thing you know, they are in a heated argument. This is particularly shown in "Squirrelflight's Hope", where their different opinions and tendency to fight is a big part of the plot. I know that Moonkitti made a whole video about this on YouTube, but I'm curious to see other opinions. Do you think they have a good relationship, or not? Who do you think is in the wrong? Bramblestar? Squirrelflight? Why? I'm really curious to see your thoughts!
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2023 10:18:38 GMT -5
Without taking that horrible video in mind, I'm not a fan of the relationship. I used to like it though. I used to be neutral on Bramble, and like Squirrel a lot, but the way the relationship was handled, and also how fans have treated it since "that video" has made me switch perspectives quite a bit. I'm not a fan of also yelling at your senile old mate like in the previous book, granted they were "better" this book. Like a lot better, without any spoilers in mind, I think it may have to do with a Cherith vs Kate type of writing issue. Which again, is even more of a reason why I prefer Cherith's writing over Kate's 9 times out of 10. I'm happy they're finally communicating, but imo I feel like Bramble deserved a better mate from a long time ago, especially after the whole thing that happened with the three. While Squirrel I think is better off single. I just hope with the new changes that things stay "peaceful" but I'm still not happy with other things.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 10:23:08 GMT -5
I hate it. They're both awful for, and to, each other.
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Post by Conedust on Mar 22, 2023 10:27:58 GMT -5
Ever since it begun, the first thought that comes to mind whenever I think about it, or whenever I read about it, is 'ugh'
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 22, 2023 10:34:02 GMT -5
Still hate it. Never wanted them together romantically in the first place (was instead hoping for BrambleFeather later BrambleDaisy and SquirrelCrow while initially reading TNP for the first time over a decade ago). BrambleSquirrel would have just been much better off with a sibling dynamic rather than a romantic one. They do not compliment each other in terms of personality and are simply not compatible. The whole "Squirrelflight needed someone to match her fire" line does not apply well to their relationship, as seen in canon, in my opinion. ASC Shadow Spoiler As for their current status, I'm truly hoping the apparent peace which they've established between them in that book (written by Cherith) will last now and not immediately get revoked in the next one Thunder (written by Kate).
Now I'm wondering if there's a parallel universe were these two never got together and if so how do I get there...
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Mar 22, 2023 10:49:34 GMT -5
Slowly starting to hate it honestly. Aforementioned video was a factor in the thought process though. Squirrel should stay single and Bramble should get a better mate :/ This is my opinion, but I honestly feel like Squirrel really did wear down Bramble through ASC. He's struggling and it seemed like she was more concerned with making Thunderclan look strong. Not to mention he's still struggling even after announcing retirement and she's all too happy to accept the leader position... Like girl, your husband is right there.
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Post by SquipyCheetah on Mar 22, 2023 13:44:26 GMT -5
I love it, tremendously. I won't go into it, but I really do love them despite everything.
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Post by xshadowstormx on Mar 22, 2023 13:50:39 GMT -5
It's a bad relationship in general. I never liked them as a pairing as I never felt they had much chemistry. Now it's just undeniable that they're a toxic couple.
In my opinion, trust between them has been broken too many times and too much has happened for their relationship to make a full recovery. But I also think they've been through so much together that they'll probably never part ways, even though it'd likely be for the better.
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Post by whiteflight on Mar 22, 2023 21:53:05 GMT -5
At first I disliked the ship because they argued with each other a lot in TNP but once PoT happened I loved the ship sadly like other people because of the video and when I decided to reread warriors I've decided that Bramble and Squrriel aren't good for each other.
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 22, 2023 21:58:12 GMT -5
I still like them and ( Shadow spoilers): They've finally made some communication and it seems like there won't be as much bickering anymore.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Mar 23, 2023 10:18:31 GMT -5
Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I wish they would just quit arguing with each other all the time.
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Post by Sundance on Mar 23, 2023 22:11:59 GMT -5
Love them in theory, hate what’s being done to them in practice.
It feels like the Erin’s wont stop beating a dead horse while we all stand in abject horror being forced to watch it continue on … and on … xD
I liked their relationship from TNP-OOTS. As a kid, the whole star-crossed lovers thing hit me in the feels. The nostalgia of it still gets to me. It will always have a soft spot in my heart.
The execution of Bramblestar’s Storm wasn’t the best, but it wasn’t bad. OK. AVOS, I don’t know, I didn’t read this arc and can’t recall any lines about their relationship during it. Squirrelflight’s Hope was shockingly bad. I wish it could be wiped out of our collective memories. TBC was solid. I wish it had ended with them both dying dramatically, going done fighting in an epic and heart-wrenching (but rewarding) way. Side-by-side, even. ASC is almost the most painful yet, as TBC centered on them soooo heavily I thought “okay, they should be at peace together finally … right?”
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Mar 24, 2023 23:02:10 GMT -5
Can’t stand them together which is pretty sad because they were originally good together.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 25, 2023 6:52:37 GMT -5
I think Bramblestar should have remained single and Squirrelflight got together with Stormfur. It would have made things easier in the long run, as I can see Squirrelflight telling Stormfur because she wouldn't need to protect him.
Stormfur wouldn't be as obsessed with blood as Bramblestar is. I also think Squirrelflight didn't need a mate that felt like he had to dominate in rank and anything else. Stormfur would have also actively tried to keep a good relationship with the Three over Brambleclaw, just kind of... half-butting it IMHO.
I also think people are demonizing Squirrelflight when she is facing trauma herself. Her reactions aren't great, but it's a two-way street, and both are to blame. It's silly to act like she needs to talk about something that makes her uncomfortable but call her out for trying to talk out something with Bramblestar herself previously, and he is acted the same.
Just the overall power imbalance in their relationship is a problem, and it was mostly on his part. If she even slightly disagreed, he'd get upset. Why appoint a deputy with different thoughts and motives if you will pull rank and ignore them?
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Mar 25, 2023 11:09:15 GMT -5
Their old relationship from TNP-BrS is neatly tucked away with my childhood memories. Most of how they’ve been handled recently could be erased with mind bleach, and I’d be perfectly happy. Hopefully with Shadow’s revelations the writers will stop pulling them into the spotlight for drama everyone’s sick of reading about. Like seriously, they enjoy beating a dead horse much?.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 25, 2023 22:59:50 GMT -5
Moonkitti’s video on the subject is a borderline blacklisted topic on these boards. Better not to bring it up lol.
I was neutral on it in the beginning. I’m not personally a big Squilf fan (her personality kinda just rubs me the wrong way), so that makes it hard to care about her relationships. But they’ve since grown quite obviously toxic and I am so sick of their relationship still taking center stage six arcs later.
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Post by tigerheart on Mar 26, 2023 18:40:43 GMT -5
Don’t like it at all! I love Squirrelflight,but I am starting to dislike Bramblestar a little bit. They seem to have a terrible relationship.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 26, 2023 19:11:33 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm really just curious why the editors keep making them have relationship problems. I genuinely don't know anybody who enjoys it regardless of which character they like. Yet every single arc and two SEs since they got together, there's always some kind of drama between them. It's absurd and I fail to understand why the editors keep thinking this is the kind of content we're rooting for or something.
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Post by mothwhisker on Mar 26, 2023 22:29:40 GMT -5
I used to like it when they first became a couple. Now it's just terrible. I am also totally on Squirrelflight's side every time. Their relationship is a toxic cycle of them being in absolute love, then fighting, being upset at each other, then some disaster happens or something like that and they make up. It's a rinse and repeat at this point and the writers should really have them break up.
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Post by xshadowstormx on Mar 28, 2023 12:21:16 GMT -5
Moonkitti’s video on the subject is a borderline blacklisted topic on these boards. Better not to bring it up lol. I was neutral on it in the beginning. I’m not personally a big Squilf fan (her personality kinda just rubs me the wrong way), so that makes it hard to care about her relationships. But they’ve since grown quite obviously toxic and I am so sick of their relationship still taking center stage six arcs later. I'm new to the forums & haven't seen the video. Why's it basically blacklisted?
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Mar 28, 2023 12:42:14 GMT -5
Moonkitti’s video on the subject is a borderline blacklisted topic on these boards. Better not to bring it up lol. I was neutral on it in the beginning. I’m not personally a big Squilf fan (her personality kinda just rubs me the wrong way), so that makes it hard to care about her relationships. But they’ve since grown quite obviously toxic and I am so sick of their relationship still taking center stage six arcs later. I'm new to the forums & haven't seen the video. Why's it basically blacklisted? pretty sure it’s because of all the vitriol and shade, and bashing that generally ensues in regards to discussing said video(across all platforms). Not only at participants, but also the content creator. It’s not like anything really constructive becomes from discussing it anyways. Everyone I’ve it discussed with(across various platforms) has been pretty firmly rooted in their opinions, and really aren’t going to be persuaded otherwise from my experience. So blacklisted as it would just be a hectic mess the mods would rather avoid, with nothing meaningful becoming of that discussion anyways. So really just a ton of headache without much merit.
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Post by Shadowfire on Apr 6, 2023 19:18:26 GMT -5
When I saw that Bramble and Squirrel became mates, I was kinda. Ew, just ew.
I think that Squirrelflight don't fit to be mate of anyone. I also have the opinion that Erins did that because it's the only legal way to continue Firestar's legacy.
I know that apprentice (forgot his name) that he was good friends with Squirrelpaw. But they don't would be good at each other at a point.
(Remind: That's my opinion, I used all my warrior cats stuff at my brain. Also I think I don't fit to comment about BramblexSquirrel.
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Post by Falconfrost on Apr 6, 2023 20:24:22 GMT -5
I remember reading the books as a kid and being annoyed/tired that the Squirrelflight/Brambleclaw drama just kept going on and on and on. So I don’t necessarily hate it, just dislike it at this point.
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Post by mintyfang1840 on Apr 6, 2023 20:35:24 GMT -5
I don’t think neither of them are being abusive to each other, and they could have been a wonderful pair in other universes. But even though they went through it, I doubt they could return to what they used to be after squilf lying about the three. And the fact that they are.. well, were leader and deputy didn’t help, bringing business in their relationship. And then some obsessive guy who thinks he was squilf’s ex bf appeared, giving ptsd to both (especially poor bramble). They really should have communicated more.
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Post by diabolicsylph on Apr 7, 2023 0:13:47 GMT -5
Eh... BrambleSquirrel is decent in theory and I think I sort of liked it when I was younger, but now I'm just extremely apathetic towards it, especially because people got extremely toxic about it.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Apr 7, 2023 2:38:31 GMT -5
They were honestly at their best in PoT. I miss THAT relationship. After that it just got downright toxic and awful
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Post by joeyyy on Apr 7, 2023 3:26:21 GMT -5
ASC Shadow spoilers: Okay guys I have a theory for the rest of A Starless Clan books. Spoiler if you have not read the last three latest books. Okay so you know how Reedwhisker was killed? Well in Shadow Frostpaw has a vision of him being killed by his attacker in which he looked shocked as it was probably a cat who he knew well that killed him. I think that Splashtail killed him. He was on patrol with Reedwhisker when he died right? I think though that Splashtail was force to kill Reedwhisker and is probably being manipulated by Duskfur of Riverclan or even Berryheart of Shadowclan. In Shadow Splashtail and a few of his buddies meet Berryheart at the edge of Riverclan territory. And they talked about getting Tigerstar out of Riverclan. I think Berryheart is the villain along with Splashtail and maybe Duskfur. But I think that when Squirrelfight becomes leader of thunderclan after Bramblestar steps down something will happen bad to one of them. The two have to head to Moonpool so Bramblestar can talk to his ancestors about stepping down but I think when they go to the moonpool they will be attacked by the new villain I think Duskfur, Splashtail, or even Berryheart. I think could cause some drama but i could be wrong. sorry for posting this here but I needed to tell people my theory for A Starless Clan.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Apr 7, 2023 5:06:33 GMT -5
ASC Shadow spoilers: Okay guys I have a theory for the rest of A Starless Clan books. Spoiler if you have not read the last three latest books. Okay so you know how Reedwhisker was killed? Well in Shadow Frostpaw has a vision of him being killed by his attacker in which he looked shocked as it was probably a cat who he knew well that killed him. I think that Splashtail killed him. He was on patrol with Reedwhisker when he died right? I think though that Splashtail was force to kill Reedwhisker and is probably being manipulated by Duskfur of Riverclan or even Berryheart of Shadowclan. In Shadow Splashtail and a few of his buddies meet Berryheart at the edge of Riverclan territory. And they talked about getting Tigerstar out of Riverclan. I think Berryheart is the villain along with Splashtail and maybe Duskfur. But I think that when Squirrelfight becomes leader of thunderclan after Bramblestar steps down something will happen bad to one of them. The two have to head to Moonpool so Bramblestar can talk to his ancestors about stepping down but I think when they go to the moonpool they will be attacked by the new villain I think Duskfur, Splashtail, or even Berryheart. I think could cause some drama but i could be wrong. sorry for posting this here but I needed to tell people my theory for A Starless Clan. Hi! It seems you’ve posted your theory on the wrong thread. We have a thread for the book, Shadow, where you can post spoilers about it. Please check it out and post your theory there. Thanks.
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Post by Fernflower on Apr 7, 2023 23:37:06 GMT -5
Love them in theory, hate what’s being done to them in practice. It feels like the Erin’s wont stop beating a dead horse while we all stand in abject horror being forced to watch it continue on … and on … xD I liked their relationship from TNP-OOTS. As a kid, the whole star-crossed lovers thing hit me in the feels. The nostalgia of it still gets to me. It will always have a soft spot in my heart. The execution of Bramblestar’s Storm wasn’t the best, but it wasn’t bad. OK. AVOS, I don’t know, I didn’t read this arc and can’t recall any lines about their relationship during it. Squirrelflight’s Hope was shockingly bad. I wish it could be wiped out of our collective memories. TBC was solid. I wish it had ended with them both dying dramatically, going done fighting in an epic and heart-wrenching (but rewarding) way. Side-by-side, even. ASC is almost the most painful yet, as TBC centered on them soooo heavily I thought “okay, they should be at peace together finally … right?” This is exactly how I feel about them. I used to love them as a kid, they were my top ship and I was so excited when they got back together in TLH. I'm still nostalgic for those times honestly. But now they've basically been ruined so much that my nostalgia glasses aren't working. I wish the authors would just let their relationship rest in peace!
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