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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 30, 2022 20:07:36 GMT -5
I mean in terms of characters remaining single after losing their mates we definitely have examples of that; while there are of course some from the other books, these are a few from Sky that either have missing or dead mates and haven't taken another: -Sparkpelt -Spotfur -Lilyheart -Yarrowleaf -Cherrytail -Sagenose -Plumwillow -Lizardtail -Mallownose -Icewing
If you want to talk about PoVs with dead/missing/broken up with mates (not including medicine cats) who haven't taken another specifically we also have: Hawkwing, Tawnypelt, Bluestar (I don't count Thrushpelt as she was never actually in love with him, he was a cover), Leafstar, Crookedstar, Tallstar, Leopardstar, Mistystar We definitely have cats who haven't taken mates after theirs were gone for whatever reason. Like sure he doesn't *need* a relationship to be happy, but it would be nice to see him have a relationship because it seemed to make him happy. I'm not saying just slap on a new mate for him next book; I'm totally supportive of waiting until at least the next series, and I think it would be better to wait until then too. But I would like to see it at some point. But we're talking about in regards of main characters. It's nice that there are examples of other characters, but when it comes to main characters there aren't many at all in the main stories. No one from the first list was ever a protagonist, and were mostly just side characters with less impact on the plot line. And when it comes to the second list, these are all cats from the side material, super editions, so still not the main story. Not everyone reads the super editions. Not to mention their reasonings for not pursuing romance any more are different. Tallstar only has feelings for Jake, according the authors, regardless of if he was alive or not. Tawnypelt is still very much in love with Rowanstar, if her novella is anything to go by. Bluestar and Oakheart got together again in StarClan if I'm not mistaken? Crookedstar is in the same category as BlueOak, and I'm pretty sure LeafBilly is probably in the same as RowanTawny. Leopardstar didn't want to take another mate because she chose to put her career and clan first. And Mistystar had a mate, we just don't know the actual circumstances of their relationship, or even why she never got another. Rootspring's situation isn't very comparable to these considering his mate won't even be in StarClan waiting for him. And if we're only talking about main characters: -Firestar x Sandstorm: Still together / Both deceased -Bramblestar x Squirrelflight: Still together / Did split up temporarily -Leafpool x Crowfeather: Broke up before due to the code (Also a bunch of other mess) -Jayfeather x Half Moon: Will be a thing in Starclan?? -Hollyleaf x Fallen Leaves: Partly confirmed by Erins -Lionblaze x Cinderheart: Still together / After Lion moved on from Heather -Ivypool x Fernsong: Still together -Dovewing x Tigertwo: Still together -Alderheart x Velvet: Went no where because Alder is a med. cat -Needletail x Rain: Both deceased -Twigbranch x Finleap: Still together -Violetshine x Tree: Still together -Bristlefrost x Rootspring: Bris is deceased -Shadowsight x No one = Med. cat Not counting the current arc, there is little to any cases where a main character stays single, let alone after a relationship. And medicine cats in general shouldn't have love interest, and if they broke up with someone it's because of the code. Genuinely, I'm pretty sure it's not the idea of being in a relationship that makes a person happy, but it's the person you're in a relationship with that should matter, imo. And in this case, Bristlefrost made Rootspring happy, but now that she's gone, I don't see any reason why he can't enjoy his life single? If he does get a mate, because of the Erins writing it in, then so be it, it's their story, but I personally just don't see the appeal of them just throwing him into another one. I think even from a writing perspective, who ever comes after Bristlefrost would probably pale in comparison.
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Post by streamflower on Oct 30, 2022 23:26:46 GMT -5
I mean in terms of characters remaining single after losing their mates we definitely have examples of that; while there are of course some from the other books, these are a few from Sky that either have missing or dead mates and haven't taken another: -Sparkpelt -Spotfur -Lilyheart -Yarrowleaf -Cherrytail -Sagenose -Plumwillow -Lizardtail -Mallownose -Icewing
If you want to talk about PoVs with dead/missing/broken up with mates (not including medicine cats) who haven't taken another specifically we also have: Hawkwing, Tawnypelt, Bluestar (I don't count Thrushpelt as she was never actually in love with him, he was a cover), Leafstar, Crookedstar, Tallstar, Leopardstar, Mistystar We definitely have cats who haven't taken mates after theirs were gone for whatever reason. Like sure he doesn't *need* a relationship to be happy, but it would be nice to see him have a relationship because it seemed to make him happy. I'm not saying just slap on a new mate for him next book; I'm totally supportive of waiting until at least the next series, and I think it would be better to wait until then too. But I would like to see it at some point. But we're talking about in regards of main characters. It's nice that there are examples of other characters, but when it comes to main characters there aren't many at all in the main stories. No one from the first list was ever a protagonist, and were mostly just side characters with less impact on the plot line. And when it comes to the second list, these are all cats from the side material, super editions, so still not the main story. Not everyone reads the super editions. Not to mention their reasonings for not pursuing romance any more are different. Tallstar only has feelings for Jake, according the authors, regardless of if he was alive or not. Tawnypelt is still very much in love with Rowanstar, if her novella is anything to go by. Bluestar and Oakheart got together again in StarClan if I'm not mistaken? Crookedstar is in the same category as BlueOak, and I'm pretty sure LeafBilly is probably in the same as RowanTawny. Leopardstar didn't want to take another mate because she chose to put her career and clan first. And Mistystar had a mate, we just don't know the actual circumstances of their relationship, or even why she never got another. Rootspring's situation isn't very comparable to these considering his mate won't even be in StarClan waiting for him. And if we're only talking about main characters: -Firestar x Sandstorm: Still together / Both deceased -Bramblestar x Squirrelflight: Still together / Did split up temporarily -Leafpool x Crowfeather: Broke up before due to the code (Also a bunch of other mess) -Jayfeather x Half Moon: Will be a thing in Starclan?? -Hollyleaf x Fallen Leaves: Partly confirmed by Erins -Lionblaze x Cinderheart: Still together / After Lion moved on from Heather -Ivypool x Fernsong: Still together -Dovewing x Tigertwo: Still together -Alderheart x Velvet: Went no where because Alder is a med. cat -Needletail x Rain: Both deceased -Twigbranch x Finleap: Still together -Violetshine x Tree: Still together -Bristlefrost x Rootspring: Bris is deceased -Shadowsight x No one = Med. cat Not counting the current arc, there is little to any cases where a main character stays single, let alone after a relationship. And medicine cats in general shouldn't have love interest, and if they broke up with someone it's because of the code. Genuinely, I'm pretty sure it's not the idea of being in a relationship that makes a person happy, but it's the person you're in a relationship with that should matter, imo. And in this case, Bristlefrost made Rootspring happy, but now that she's gone, I don't see any reason why he can't enjoy his life single? If he does get a mate, because of the Erins writing it in, then so be it, it's their story, but I personally just don't see the appeal of them just throwing him into another one. I think even from a writing perspective, who ever comes after Bristlefrost would probably pale in comparison. I mean just because people don't read the super editions or other materials doesn't mean that they don't count; additionally, I would argue that Spotfur and Sparkpelt both have pretty big impacts on the story. While yes, they are side characters, Spotfur at the very least had a PoV during her novella and so far has chosen not to take a mate. Also, of the cats you mentioned -- yes, if they're still in love with their mates even though they're deceased of course they wouldn't take another; I'm not saying I want Rootspring to get a rebound while he's still in love with Bris; I want him to move on and eventually find someone else. Furthermore, I don't think people ever really fall out of love with those they've loved who have died; that love will always be there, you just either are able to make room for loving another, or you don't. I think Root can, especially given how young he is. He's basically Graystripe's age when Silverstream died, if not younger, so I think it's more than a possibility. And I absolutely agree, it's the person you're with; and yes, he can absolutely enjoy his life single. But I also think he can enjoy his life with someone else too. I don't like the idea of "whoever comes after Bristlefrost would probably pale in comparison" as that's like saying if you lose a partner, anyone that you're with afterwards is just not good enough and never will be good enough, which I fully disagree with. Graystripe is a perfect example, a cat we had a PoV from in multiple occasions; he had Silverstream, loved her, had kits with her, and then she died. He mourned for a while and then found Millie, loved her just as much (if not more given that he seems to choose her in Starclan) and their love is just as valid as Silverstream and Graystripes. There's nothing wrong with someone staying single after their partner dies, but I also think there's nothing wrong with them moving on and finding someone else. I think Rootspring can be happy single. But I also think he could be happy in a relationship too; and as I mentioned earlier, at least there won't be starclan drama like there was with GrayxMillie. I also think it would be interesting to see him have kits and see their perspectives on speaking to the Earth like he learned from Tree and The Sisters; he's just a unique little dude and I'd like to see more of him, or his kits if he has them. Heck, maybe they'll interact with Spotfur's kits; that could be interesting! And in terms of wanting a cat to stay single -- I would vastly prefer that either be Sunbeam or Nightheart. Sunbeam seems to be rebounding onto Nightheart after her and Blazefire broke up, and I really can't get a feel on Nightheart. He seems to immediately be drawn to anyone who will listen to him/not compare him to Firestar, so it's really hard to tell if he loves Sunbeam or just the idea of Sunbeam/another cat who doesn't compare him to Firestar.
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Post by cheeselamps on Oct 31, 2022 0:57:13 GMT -5
I don't think so, and that's perfectly fine. People don't necessarily have to fall in love again to be happy, and I'm honestly tired of all those failed attempts of the Erins to give characters a new mate after the first one died.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Oct 31, 2022 4:57:32 GMT -5
No. Rootspring and Bristlefrost were soul mates. You don't just "move on" after losing someone like that, especially from a violent death. Let the poor guy grieve a bit first.
But...we know the team. He will almost certainly get a second mate. I'd be okay with this under certain circumstances.
1. Wait a long time. I want Rootspring to be very mature when he gets with someone else. 8-9 years seems to be the new retirement age, so I'd wait until he was about 5 before introducing a new love interest. I do want to see him have kits, otherwise I'd rather he got into a relationship as en elder.
2. She must have a different personality. I really don't want her to be Bristlefrost 2.0. Of course Bristlefrost was perfect for Rootspring. I guess she would have to be more withdrawn? Not quite a coward, but more hesitant to rush into danger. I can't see him with a loud mouth gossip. Or someone with a mean streak or questionable morals.
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Oct 31, 2022 8:56:53 GMT -5
Doesn’t particularly matter to me either way. If he remains single that’s fine. However, if he decides to get another mate, if that’s what makes him happiest that’s perfectly fine as well. As long as it’s done tastefully and organically, not forced strictly for plot.
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Post by whitestormyaboi on Nov 3, 2022 7:41:48 GMT -5
TBH I think (for his character arc) it whould be better to not have another one. Plus this could open some other opportunities....
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Post by Bristleflight on Nov 3, 2022 17:26:15 GMT -5
But we're talking about in regards of main characters. It's nice that there are examples of other characters, but when it comes to main characters there aren't many at all in the main stories. No one from the first list was ever a protagonist, and were mostly just side characters with less impact on the plot line. And when it comes to the second list, these are all cats from the side material, super editions, so still not the main story. Not everyone reads the super editions. Not to mention their reasonings for not pursuing romance any more are different. Tallstar only has feelings for Jake, according the authors, regardless of if he was alive or not. Tawnypelt is still very much in love with Rowanstar, if her novella is anything to go by. Bluestar and Oakheart got together again in StarClan if I'm not mistaken? Crookedstar is in the same category as BlueOak, and I'm pretty sure LeafBilly is probably in the same as RowanTawny. Leopardstar didn't want to take another mate because she chose to put her career and clan first. And Mistystar had a mate, we just don't know the actual circumstances of their relationship, or even why she never got another. Rootspring's situation isn't very comparable to these considering his mate won't even be in StarClan waiting for him. And if we're only talking about main characters: -Firestar x Sandstorm: Still together / Both deceased -Bramblestar x Squirrelflight: Still together / Did split up temporarily -Leafpool x Crowfeather: Broke up before due to the code (Also a bunch of other mess) -Jayfeather x Half Moon: Will be a thing in Starclan?? -Hollyleaf x Fallen Leaves: Partly confirmed by Erins -Lionblaze x Cinderheart: Still together / After Lion moved on from Heather -Ivypool x Fernsong: Still together -Dovewing x Tigertwo: Still together -Alderheart x Velvet: Went no where because Alder is a med. cat -Needletail x Rain: Both deceased -Twigbranch x Finleap: Still together -Violetshine x Tree: Still together -Bristlefrost x Rootspring: Bris is deceased -Shadowsight x No one = Med. cat Not counting the current arc, there is little to any cases where a main character stays single, let alone after a relationship. And medicine cats in general shouldn't have love interest, and if they broke up with someone it's because of the code. Genuinely, I'm pretty sure it's not the idea of being in a relationship that makes a person happy, but it's the person you're in a relationship with that should matter, imo. And in this case, Bristlefrost made Rootspring happy, but now that she's gone, I don't see any reason why he can't enjoy his life single? If he does get a mate, because of the Erins writing it in, then so be it, it's their story, but I personally just don't see the appeal of them just throwing him into another one. I think even from a writing perspective, who ever comes after Bristlefrost would probably pale in comparison. I mean just because people don't read the super editions or other materials doesn't mean that they don't count; additionally, I would argue that Spotfur and Sparkpelt both have pretty big impacts on the story. While yes, they are side characters, Spotfur at the very least had a PoV during her novella and so far has chosen not to take a mate. Also, of the cats you mentioned -- yes, if they're still in love with their mates even though they're deceased of course they wouldn't take another; I'm not saying I want Rootspring to get a rebound while he's still in love with Bris; I want him to move on and eventually find someone else. Furthermore, I don't think people ever really fall out of love with those they've loved who have died; that love will always be there, you just either are able to make room for loving another, or you don't. I think Root can, especially given how young he is. He's basically Graystripe's age when Silverstream died, if not younger, so I think it's more than a possibility. And I absolutely agree, it's the person you're with; and yes, he can absolutely enjoy his life single. But I also think he can enjoy his life with someone else too. I don't like the idea of "whoever comes after Bristlefrost would probably pale in comparison" as that's like saying if you lose a partner, anyone that you're with afterwards is just not good enough and never will be good enough, which I fully disagree with. Graystripe is a perfect example, a cat we had a PoV from in multiple occasions; he had Silverstream, loved her, had kits with her, and then she died. He mourned for a while and then found Millie, loved her just as much (if not more given that he seems to choose her in Starclan) and their love is just as valid as Silverstream and Graystripes. There's nothing wrong with someone staying single after their partner dies, but I also think there's nothing wrong with them moving on and finding someone else. I think Rootspring can be happy single. But I also think he could be happy in a relationship too; and as I mentioned earlier, at least there won't be starclan drama like there was with GrayxMillie. I also think it would be interesting to see him have kits and see their perspectives on speaking to the Earth like he learned from Tree and The Sisters; he's just a unique little dude and I'd like to see more of him, or his kits if he has them. Heck, maybe they'll interact with Spotfur's kits; that could be interesting! And in terms of wanting a cat to stay single -- I would vastly prefer that either be Sunbeam or Nightheart. Sunbeam seems to be rebounding onto Nightheart after her and Blazefire broke up, and I really can't get a feel on Nightheart. He seems to immediately be drawn to anyone who will listen to him/not compare him to Firestar, so it's really hard to tell if he loves Sunbeam or just the idea of Sunbeam/another cat who doesn't compare him to Firestar. [br Sunbeam did not rebound to nightheart. When she found out that blazefire loved her former best friend she had alot of resolve and she was not angry. And of Corse nightheart would love a cat who's strong confident but really listens to him.
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Post by streamflower on Nov 3, 2022 23:10:13 GMT -5
Idk to me it feels like a rebound :shrug:
If you are in a relationship with someone and then <2-4 weeks seemingly after your break-up you're in love with another person, that to me feels like a rebound. She just moved on super, super quickly IMO. The total amount of their falling in love can be attributed to a single trip. Nightheart on the otherhand yes, I agree he'd love a cat who listens to him he seemed more to use his 'love' for her to be more of an excuse to leave Thunderclan. He talks at first about leaving a clan due to a lack of belonging, and then suddenly falls in love with her over the course of a trip.
Like sure they had talked occasionally beforehand at gatherings, but it seemed like they were just acquaintances at best and then just so happened to go on the same adventure together. There are several cats who talk at gatherings who don't fall in love, and going on a trip wouldn't change that for them either. It's just very sudden.
I get what you're saying but I disagree. I don't really see their relationship lasting, or at least being very healthy. Nightheart is very immature, and Sunbeam (to me) seems to be rebounding/falling for nightheart way too quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 23:24:49 GMT -5
Idk to me it feels like a rebound :shrug:
If you are in a relationship with someone and then <2-4 weeks seemingly after your break-up you're in love with another person, that to me feels like a rebound. She just moved on super, super quickly IMO. The total amount of their falling in love can be attributed to a single trip. Nightheart on the otherhand yes, I agree he'd love a cat who listens to him he seemed more to use his 'love' for her to be more of an excuse to leave Thunderclan. He talks at first about leaving a clan due to a lack of belonging, and then suddenly falls in love with her over the course of a trip.
Like sure they had talked occasionally beforehand at gatherings, but it seemed like they were just acquaintances at best and then just so happened to go on the same adventure together. There are several cats who talk at gatherings who don't fall in love, and going on a trip wouldn't change that for them either. It's just very sudden.
I get what you're saying but I disagree. I don't really see their relationship lasting, or at least being very healthy. Nightheart is very immature, and Sunbeam (to me) seems to be rebounding/falling for nightheart way too quickly. I agree.
Not to mention it didn't even seem like she had feelings for Nightheart on the trip itself? Not from what I remember when reading Sky (I think she called him handsome? But calling someone handsome in no way implies someone has feelings for another). Or if she did it's not how I interpreted it at least. It seemed like her feelings for him only developed literally only minutes after she saw Blazefire and Lightleap together.
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Post by mistpelt on Jan 5, 2024 17:27:20 GMT -5
I don’t know. I kind hope he does, but still remembers Bristlefrost.
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