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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 15:54:49 GMT -5
What are some things in Warriors that you aren't fond of?
Some of mine are:
The Lack of LGBT+ Characters: - I get though that this is on the publisher, and not on the writers. I just think it would be nice to get some confirmed characters in the story and not just through the authors!
Medicine Cats Being Anxious: - We do have a variety of medicine cats, but I feel like we've seen far too many anxious ones. I would love to see a warrior that's anxious and soft (unless I'm forgetting someone!)
Leaders and Medicine Cats being Related to One Another: - I don't mind it with Firestar and Leafpool, or Sunstar and Featherwhisker, but I just find it way, way too prominent now. We have Bramblestar being related to Jayfeather AND Alderheart both, and then Tigerheartstar and Shadowsight. It's just something way too common now.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 19, 2022 16:22:55 GMT -5
i agree with ur list. just want to add that the only aggressive medicine cats we got were former warriors (yellowfang, hawkheart, etc.). the only former warrior medicine cat who isnt aggressive is mudfur (leopardstars dad). even mothwing isn't as "soft" as the others (she has an aditude for sure), and u could maybe say the same for cinderpelt since she had a strong backbone (look how she stood up to leafpool in TNP and put her foot down), and jayfeather (grumpy and depressed).
axious and "soft" medicine cats: barkface, littlecloud, leafpool, alderheart, puddleshine, shadowsight, and idk enough about the sykclan medicine cats to say for sure but from what i assume, they might not be as aggressive as jayfeather (grumpiness).
my biggest pet peeve...i will never stop talking about it (if they manage to fix it then maybe i will but at this rate, i doubt they will fix it). cats overstaying their welcome and stealing spotlight and background tasks from younger cats. in my opinion, warriors should only live for 3-4 arcs maximum. if the books stayed with this rule, then TNP cats would be dead by AVOS/TBC (which is why i strongly wish bramble and squirrel and their friends in TNP died last arc), and arc 3 cats would be dead and dying off within the arc of ASC (current arc). by now, OotS cats like dove and ivy should be the senior warriors already, but since older cats r still around, this isn't going to become the norm...which is weird af. like for example, whitewing should already be the senior warrior but her parents r still kicking around and it'd be awkward if they retired at the same time (her parents should already by dead!)
if they dont implement this 4 arc living rule, then the clans will just be full of old people bc this series cant even fathom letting old characters die to let the younger ones shine for once. please for the love of god, let us move on from all these old cats. i want the newer generations to get their due!!!
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Post by Aqua on Apr 19, 2022 16:36:53 GMT -5
> People trying to change my mind on characters. > Kate making Dovewing look bad. If you notice, she's the one who writes Dovewing inconsistently, making her leave with unborn kits and talking crap about her Clanmates in SqH. Seriously, she's horrible at keeping characters consistent, and her own bias gets in the way of the writing. > People praising Ivypool for everything. It's not as bad as it was a few years ago, but people praised Ivypool all the time. For ****ing EVERYTHING. Being mean to Dovewing, not doing her job, and acting like the Clans can't survive without her. Then her fans would give Ivypool several amounts of excuses while Dovewing received a lot of crap from her fandom. It was absurd back then, good lord. I'm glad that's mellowed down now. > ****ing Mapleshade. Get her damn existence out of the books, please.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Apr 19, 2022 16:52:26 GMT -5
This is a minor pet peeve but i've always been peeved off about how the other Clans don't seem to use any of their unique fighting techniques during a battle? Like, i don't think i've ever seen a RiverClan warrior fight in the water for Sunningrocks, or WindClan using their speed in battle, or ShadowClan ambushing their enemies instead of just waiting for them on the open. They all fight like ThunderClan, wich is the only clan i've ever seen using their own battle techniques. I just think they are all so unique and diverse, but we've never actually seen a Clan use it on like a minor skirmish or something.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 19, 2022 17:18:22 GMT -5
This is incredibly minor, but the warriors in the allegiances are never listed in terms of seniority! For example, in River, Lionblaze is listed last despite himself being one of their seniormost warriors now. I realize how silly this sounds but it grinds my gears.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 19, 2022 17:20:16 GMT -5
Love triangles. Thank StarClan they seem to have stopped at least for now but who knows what might happen in future books. So annoying. *shudders*
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 19, 2022 17:26:01 GMT -5
The way Kate's personal biases toward specific characters comes through so often. It leads to really inconsistent characterization, and she sometimes destroys a character's otherwise positive/neutral portrayal only because she randomly decides she doesn't like them.
The most obvious example (to me) is Bumblestripe. Whenever Vicky or Cherith write him, he's portrayed to be relatively sweet and understanding, if a bit mopey. It's only when Kate writes that suddenly Bumblestripe acts like an asshole. I wish the editing team/Cherith would reign her in a bit on that.
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Post by Tiri on Apr 20, 2022 2:10:18 GMT -5
Background cats never having any opinions, or having an opinion only when the narrative wants them to. It'd be so much easier to get characterisation out of them if they were seen speaking with each other! Really hoping this arc will change that, we had a lot of nice moments in River
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Post by crowspirit on Apr 20, 2022 4:37:58 GMT -5
The way background characters apparently exist in a vacuum with no personality, opinions, friends or other relationships whatsoever.
River already improved on that aspect a lot, I really hope it stays that way.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 17:30:54 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 9:37:01 GMT -5
This is incredibly minor, but the warriors in the allegiances are never listed in terms of seniority! For example, in River, Lionblaze is listed last despite himself being one of their seniormost warriors now. I realize how silly this sounds but it grinds my gears. This annoys me too. I'm doing a reread where I catalog data from the series (kind of like building my own off-line Warrior wiki), so I always write down the Allegiances before I read a book. I have a list of the correct allegiance order based on seniority so I can fix it in my versions.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 9:44:35 GMT -5
My biggest pet peeve is all of the errors in the books, especially the major ones. I will never understand why they can't hire someone to keep track of timelines, character descriptions, etc. Other pet peeves are:
-Mapleshade and other Dark Forest cats (heck, even StarClan cats!) manipulating living cats. I feel that it often cheapens the actions of the living cats, because they have a bad influence literally whispering in their ear. Also, the plans of the Dark Forest cats are never well thought out.
-The lack of characterization and character consistency given to main and background characters
-Inconsistent supernatural lore
-Medicine cats being able to heal basically everything (not so much of a problem in earlier books, but now it seems like it's rare that someone ever dies of sickness)
-ShadowClan falling apart all the time
There's probably a lot more that I can't think of at the moment. I know I seem really negative in this post, but I could give an equally long or longer list of things I love about the series. I'm just critical because I know they can do better.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on May 7, 2022 16:22:41 GMT -5
The fact that something is always going on with ShadowClan. They're either falling apart or being the bad guys (except in TBC). Please just let them be good for once.
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Post by Bristleflight-bristlefrost! on May 7, 2022 16:50:39 GMT -5
Nope tigerstar causing trouble in shadow. The third book in asc.
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Post by finland on May 9, 2022 18:11:58 GMT -5
I hate the ending of A Light in the Mist
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Post by Bristleflight-bristlefrost! on May 9, 2022 20:27:37 GMT -5
Why?
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Post by tema on May 10, 2022 8:29:25 GMT -5
I hate how Clan traits are never really expanded on. Stuff like WindClan being the most pious Clan (props to WoC for at least hinting at this), ThunderClan hunting from the trees and using them to fight, RiverClan's shell-collecting. Yeah, I get that a lot of these cone from now non-canon guides, but they were still fun additions.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 10, 2022 8:35:54 GMT -5
I hate how Clan traits are never really expanded on. Stuff like WindClan being the most pious Clan (props to WoC for at least hinting at this), ThunderClan hunting from the trees and using them to fight, RiverClan's shell-collecting. Yeah, I get that a lot of these cone from now non-canon guides, but they were still fun additions. The closest thing we get about this is ShadowClan being evil, agressive, and battle-hungry, but even that is being thrown off the window in favor of pushing an honorable and peaceful ShadowClan.
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Post by NightFrostSun on May 10, 2022 9:11:59 GMT -5
The hypocrisy of StarClan. They send cats that obviously belong in StarClan (Juniperclaw) to the Dark Forest, and cats that obviously belong in the Dark Forest (Ashfur) to StarClan. Then they refuse responsibility for their terrible choices. Instead of just accepting Juniperclaw as a full member of StarClan like he should of been in the first place, they create a new position just for him where he lives on the border of StarClan and the Dark Forest, technically lives on StarClan's land but is not considered a StarClan member. If that is not changed by the end of this arc I will scream. Juniperclaw while the border guardian is a member of StarClan. I also can't believe StarClan can't see that cats can change after death (Snowtuft, Silverhawk, Sparrowfeather) and deserve a chance to earn a place in StarClan.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 9:24:00 GMT -5
The hypocrisy of StarClan. They send cats that obviously belong in StarClan (Juniperclaw) to the Dark Forest, and cats that obviously belong in the Dark Forest (Ashfur) to StarClan. Then they refuse responsibility for their terrible choices. Instead of just accepting Juniperclaw as a full member of StarClan like he should of been in the first place, they create a new position just for him where he lives on the border of StarClan and the Dark Forest, technically lives on StarClan's land but is not considered a StarClan member. If that is not changed by the end of this arc I will scream. Juniperclaw while the border guardian is a member of StarClan. I also can't believe StarClan can't see that cats can change after death (Snowtuft, Silverhawk, Sparrowfeather) and deserve a chance to earn a place in StarClan. Agreed. I hope Starclan's hypocrisy is called out and something is actually done about it. Just seems like Starclan is allowed to get away with everything. I'm still peeved over that horrible trial in Squirrelflight's Hope.
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Post by tema on May 10, 2022 16:21:32 GMT -5
The hypocrisy of StarClan. They send cats that obviously belong in StarClan (Juniperclaw) to the Dark Forest, and cats that obviously belong in the Dark Forest (Ashfur) to StarClan. Then they refuse responsibility for their terrible choices. Instead of just accepting Juniperclaw as a full member of StarClan like he should of been in the first place, they create a new position just for him where he lives on the border of StarClan and the Dark Forest, technically lives on StarClan's land but is not considered a StarClan member. If that is not changed by the end of this arc I will scream. Juniperclaw while the border guardian is a member of StarClan. I also can't believe StarClan can't see that cats can change after death (Snowtuft, Silverhawk, Sparrowfeather) and deserve a chance to earn a place in StarClan. Agreed. I hope Starclan's hypocrisy is called out and something is actually done about it. Just seems like Starclan is allowed to get away with everything. I'm still peeved over that horrible trial in Squirrelflight's Hope. I will forever preach my suspicion that the "trial" was invented purely to address people who had problems with Squirrelflight.
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Post by 🌌dapple🌙 (formerly freckle) on May 15, 2022 8:43:30 GMT -5
The unnecessary aggression between clans is getting on my nerves.
Ever since OOTS its felt like at the start of an arc, all the clans hate and don't trust each other and by book 6 what they needed to learn is that "We're all one! We should support each other" and then things reset again by the next arc's book 1! With unnecessary aggression and clans letting other clans almost die out, etc. etc. Either have them all as one united force against outside forces or have them all dislike each other instead of preaching how they need each other all the time, and never sticking to it.
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Post by squirrelflight96 on May 16, 2022 15:55:36 GMT -5
>This may only be me who has noticed this, but sometimes the books can have a lot of sudden time-skips. Ive noticed this more in books like survivors and seekers, but it still bothers me. Ive even had to read back a few chapters to make sure I still know whats happening
>and second of all, dogs. Excusing Brightheart's whole story, every other time dogs are written in is to either cheaply kill off a character or to cause some sort of tension and is extremely out of nowhere or even overused in some places.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on May 16, 2022 22:48:36 GMT -5
The fact that Mapelshade is still alive. Just kill her already!
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