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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Feb 24, 2022 1:41:19 GMT -5
This is where members of Tempestclan and talk, post ideas, thoughts and whatever is on your mind! So currently I have two plans for the main rogue plot. - The clan goes in to rescue Eaglepaw, and it's a bloody yet successful mission. Gail takes Wolfstar's life, however Wolfstar comes back to life kills Gail and Wolfstar calls an end to the fighting or truce/warning? The rogues could still cause trouble for the clan but with Gail gone, many are unsure on what to do next. This could lead to interesting dynamics. or The big battle happens later on kind of like how the clans had to fight against Bloodclan. Like Eaglepaw is still saved, but something happens where Wolfstar realizes they have to fight to stop it all. I've considered having Wolfstar, Sageflower or even Owlpaw receive an omen about how the "storm won't end until the lake runs red" or something mysterious like that. After that, I plan on moving into Leaf-fall and having the clans relax for a bit. There could still be minor plots with some excitement like dealing with racoons/skunk, a big dog running loose in the forest or worse two big dogs ect. The tournament could be hosted around this time. In the rogue group maybe others question staying in the group and consider leaving or question Pumpkin's rule (if she lives   ) I know I want Amber to join the clan just unsure how. End of Leaf-Fall to Leaf-Bare is where things kick back into gear. Right now, I'm thinking the territory gets hit with a really bad storm possibly a tornado coming through or parts of the territory floods which leads to prey being scarce. I am also thinking of a snow storm coming through. Nothing is set in stone but I have been thinking about having the clan and the rogues deal with a natural disaster. Rogues and the clan are forced to work together? So far nothing is planned for New-Leaf aside from a few of my NPCs to be expecting kits. Let me know what you think! Things can be changed, plus I didn't factor in character interactions/development. |
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Post by Jademist on Feb 24, 2022 5:31:25 GMT -5
Ooo interesting ideas Hawk! I think I’d like an epic battle to end the dangers from the rogues and to disband their group. That way the clan can take back their territory. Plus it would be like an explosive ending!
Gail has to die for sure; she’d be really surprised to see Wolfstar wake up after she thought she killed him haha
I’m also thinking of maybe giving Eaglepaw a villain’s character arc after everything he’s been through 🤔 I’m not sure how yet but maybe you guys have some ideas on this. It would be kinda ironic though, since the clan went through so much trouble to save him lol
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Post by ✦ GreatSwiftFoxz太阳的✦ on Feb 24, 2022 7:18:35 GMT -5
I had a idea, after Rushingwater and Whitelily left the rogue camp. They went off to the twoleg place, of report dogs were roaming around. And lead the dogs to the rogues camp. But pretend they are "heroically" saving the rogues to get there trust.
However, Ratscar wasn't convience Rushingwater and Whitelily were lying and met them in secret. However they use Ratscar for more information. And betrayed her later. Leaving Ratscar brutally hurt by them. Rushingwater and Whitelily were shock that Swiftfox survived after drowning. And came back to the clan from recovering telling TempestClan about the two cats evil schemes. So when Rushingwater and Whitelily got their trust with the rogues, they only use them to get through TempestClan to kill Mudfoot and Wolfstar to lead the forest. However, after failing to kill Wolfstar, the rogues learn about their plan when ratscar told them. But Ratscar savagely murdered Whitelily, as Rushingwater ran from getting exiled/ chased away from the rogues. Rushingwater was never seen again.
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Post by ✦ GreatSwiftFoxz太阳的✦ on Feb 24, 2022 7:19:22 GMT -5
I think the rogues and the clan can become allies after Rushingwater and Whitelily set off to use them only for battle or smth? I appreciate better ideas!
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 24, 2022 10:36:50 GMT -5
I like the idea of a final battle separate from the rescue mission. It could let tensions rise further (especially with Gail's death on top of Jax's as well as Eaglepaw's dismemberment) with many of the rogue group demanding the downfall of the clan and vice versa.
I can see Xenia slowly start to become a disillusioned with the idea of the rogue group, especially after all the battles. I don't see her leaving the area, though.
And amber.... I am not sure. Maybe during the natural disaster the rogues and the clan can work together like you said. With tensions potentially still high after all the battling, it would probably be difficult (Jade: We can possibly fit in Eaglepaw's arc into this? He had to spend a while with the rogues and considers them savage so he could possibly try to keep tensions high instead of solving the issue?)
At the end, some cats may have integrated well into working with the clan and ask to join (like Amber). It would give the clan a reason to trust them. They just went through a disaster together, after all.
And Swift: I don't think it is that easy to get the clan to become friends with the rogues. The body count from both sides are high and some cats have lost close family and friends. I also don't think your cats have the rogue's trust at all, they were chased out and all...
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Feb 24, 2022 12:04:11 GMT -5
I love the idea of Eaglepaw having a villain arc. I can see him lashing out at Screechfang which would only confuse most cats especially Screechfang.
Swift: Like Ziotsu said I highly doubt the rogues and clans will be 100% allies. The rogues would just blame the clan for Rushingwater and Whitelily cause they don't realize that those two cats are rebelling against the clan. To them all clan cats are the same.
I'm sure we can figure something out for them though. Just most of the cats in Tempestclan would rather kill or drive off the rogues than work with them.
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Post by ✦ GreatSwiftFoxz太阳的✦ on Feb 24, 2022 12:25:52 GMT -5
Sure, why not! Im down for some ideas
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Post by ✦ GreatSwiftFoxz太阳的✦ on Feb 24, 2022 12:31:03 GMT -5
Yes, I did thought it through after reading my post multiple times to see if it fits i'm aware. Because now that I realize I think it doesn't suit them. Apparently even if they did try to gain the rogues trust, they would still can't become allies because Rushingwater and Whitelily are from TempestClan.
ALSOO, I wanted to change smth, im forgetting about the dog idea and bring it up later tho. Ratscar would've just killed Whitelily after learning about using the rogues (it was a failed plan). So now, rushingwater was on his own driven insane and selfishly didn't care Whitelily died. He just wanted to kill Wolfstar, but when he TRIES to attack Wolfstar, Wolfstar kills him before he could do critical damage.
So like forget the the idea of rushingwater/Whitelily becoming allies with the rogus. Because then, they gave up and instead tried using Ratscar for info.
Rushingwater and Whitelily TRIED to manipulate into coming the group and using them but failed. So honestly, they don't want trust they just manipulate them about lies. Rushingwater and Whitelily imagined it to be "easy" to get the rogues trust. but of course failed, I'm not sure rogues and clan cats can WORK together? Because now it seems likely impossible
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Post by kittyking2 on Feb 25, 2022 13:56:37 GMT -5
So with Patch's canon charcter, at least the way i made her. She gets a scar on her shoulder from a fox, we could do it later, cause she just became an apprentice. but that is a thought for the future
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Post by Jademist on Feb 25, 2022 15:03:52 GMT -5
It wouldn’t make sense for Eaglepaw to return to the clan and be the same after being traumatized so he’ll certainly lash out after feeling abandoned. I think he’ll have an obsessive aversion to cats outside the clan too. No trust in Starclan either. Poor Screechfang though, we’re not making his life easy 😩
I’ll change his form to suit his changes once he gets his warrior name!
Do you think I should make a Starclan form for Cloudfoot Hawk?
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Feb 25, 2022 15:09:28 GMT -5
One of these days Screechfang will be happy and I say yes so Starclan page looks a bit more populated!
We could do a little foreshadowing with Patchpaw. Maybe they find a old fox den and Thundershade warns her about foxes.
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 25, 2022 15:13:43 GMT -5
I can try to think of a few more cats to add to starclan. Maybe we can make a line of medicine cats like how we have a line of leaders? Would give us some npc style cats who can give out prophecies.
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Post by kittyking2 on Feb 25, 2022 15:14:48 GMT -5
Sure, also I just realized, in my canon version of her her crush is literally called Rosepaw, and a girl as well. Dunno how we happened to get one here to but.....lol i dunno where i was going with that.
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Post by ✦ GreatSwiftFoxz太阳的✦ on Feb 25, 2022 15:51:16 GMT -5
Kittyking don't worry it's okay lol
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Feb 25, 2022 16:05:38 GMT -5
That could be cool. I know one of the medicine cats is in the Df but I haven't gotten around to making a description or a reason why yet.
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 25, 2022 16:24:56 GMT -5
which one was the medicine cat?
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Feb 25, 2022 17:10:18 GMT -5
(Frostbird)
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 25, 2022 20:07:22 GMT -5
A few ideas? Just throwing out a few things that I thought of today. Honestly feel free to pick apart these and Frankenstein a different idea
A med apprentice that when they were on their way to get their name, they were killed (by rogues, animal, or just a natural event that took their life) (for extra points, could be Sageflower's apprentice before Owlpaw?)
A medicine cat who is really concerned about the clan and is often the one giving advice/prophecies to the clan. They are just generally sweet and caring but maybe a bit childish.
A medicine cat who feels bitter about their chosen path in life. They did their job but would often be grumbling and angry with whatever they did.
Depending on why Frostbird is in the dark forest/their backstory
Their mentor who tried to guide them down the right path and blames themselves for their current situation
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Their apprentice who saw some of the things their mentor did and vowed to distance themselves from their mentor and refused to talk about it to the next generation.
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Post by Jademist on Feb 26, 2022 18:21:27 GMT -5
I'll make a form for Cloudpaw and Stormy soon ^^ I'm very curious what you have planned with Xenia Ziotsu! I really like her personality. |
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 26, 2022 18:45:34 GMT -5
So eventually she is going to find out about Sunny and their shared past (sunny was the leader of a group in the city and she blames 'leon' aka Sunny for what happened and the death of her best friend). The plan is for Sunny to realize before and Xenia to find out after a while. I kind of hope it happens before the group dissolves to add extra tension but we will see. She has to open up first lol.
When she does find out I have a few ideas of how she would react. From being just hostile towards Sunny to leaving the group entirely. It really depends on how disillusioned she is with the group at that point. I think it will also be fun if either she tries to convince Stormy to join her or Stormy convincing her to leave. It depends on if they are close enough at that point.
Xenia will have her eyes opened to all of his manipulation after she finds out, kind of piecing together the time they spent together and realizing just how bad it was.
When she does leave the group I plan to have her stick around, not hostile to the clan. She would have no idea what to do next, she basically formed her entire identity to being part of a group of some kind and now she has to figure out how to live outside of one.
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 26, 2022 19:45:29 GMT -5
I do wanna hear your plans for Stormy and Cloudpaw as well
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Post by Jademist on Feb 26, 2022 21:14:16 GMT -5
I like the tension between Sunny and Xenia, her background makes it very interesting. I'd be willing to go with Stormy wherever you think Xenia would go character wise. I really think we could play into that, especially because they both kinda feel bad about what's happening. I wasn't planning on having Stormy joining the clan either.
Oops I meant Cloudfoot, got confused with another character I have haha. I think for Cloudfoot and Gail I'd be sad to end their legacy so I was thinking I might create a character that'd be their secret son or something. After Gail and Vicky die I have more place for new characters anyway.
I was thinking that maybe Eaglepaw could become obsessed with trying to track down Stormy (and maybe Xenia and Sunny too) and trying to get rid of them outside of the clan's knowdledge because of what they did to him. But I'd have to see how things progress and how attached I get to Stormy hehe.
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 26, 2022 22:37:15 GMT -5
Honestly what happens with Xenia really depends on the major plot going on as well. I am probably going to work with anividche to sort of speed up her growing trust in a way that feels believable.
What do you plan on doing with the child? Try to get them into the clan or sort of wondering around?
Ooo I love the thought of Eaglepaw going after them. Him trying to get revenge will only pile on the guilt that Xenia feels for what happened after they lied.
If he also goes after Xenia, personally I wouldn't want her story to end with Eaglepaw getting revenge, but I wouldn't be against her getting really injured by him.
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Feb 26, 2022 22:54:41 GMT -5
I like the idea of Eaglepaw going after Sunny, Xenia and Stormy. Reminds me of Tallstar's Revenge. Also like the idea of a secret son or daughter or heck maybe Gail had a secret successor? I'll miss Gail when she eventually dies but I'm also ready for the chaos afterwards with the group.
I'm not sure what Ollie will do. He may linger but he might go back to Twolegplace.
I like the idea of the medicine cat feeding the clan all these omens and prophies. They could have just reenforced the fears that everyone had.
Just occurred to me that I should put Twolegplace as a landmark.
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 26, 2022 23:05:21 GMT -5
Ollie is dealing with some things and I feel bad for him. I want him to be happy.
I just assumed it was like a mountain that was sort of close to a town but far enough away for the clan to not really worry about. It would be nice to know more exactly where it is.
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Post by Jademist on Feb 27, 2022 8:51:21 GMT -5
Ollie is such a sweet little cat, I hope he stays around!
I'm not sure yet on what to do with a child of Cloudfoot and Gail, he/she would be around 25 moons right now I think. What if he is in the clan and only Wolfstar and the cats that took care of him as a kit know about his true heritage? I've been scrolling through the characters and maybe Briareyes and Ashclaw could've taken him in? But it's just a random idea, feel free to suggest something else!!
I don't want to make him/her a lot like Gail (I think). I'll miss her but I want her to stay unique as a leader haha. Besides, like you said Hawk I'm totally up for the chaos that happens after her death. Some cats might try to take control, others want to form their own cliques. It'll be very cool to see what happens.
That's totally fine Ziotsu! He might try to kill Xenia but not succeed. I'm contemplating whether Stormy will die at his paws or not. It depends on how their story progresses I think. It would be very interesting to have Xenia and Stormy be on the run constantly from this big bulldozer of a one-eyed aggressor.
Also, what should we do with Eaglepaw's warrior ceremony? I guess he'd be around 11 moons right now but since he's going to be blind in one eye it might take him a little longer? Or do you guys think he should be made warrior when he returns to camp?
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 27, 2022 13:18:16 GMT -5
So if you want to go with the Briareyes idea here's a few thoughts... Briareyes would probably take in an outside kit, since Mousesplash was still alive at that time and she hasn't developed her distrust in cats from the outside (at least not so extremely). If they are going to be around 25 moons, Mousesplash would be at the tail end of nursing Silverleaf who is just about to become an apprentice so the whole family will be in the nursary. If we do something with Briareyes being their adopted mother, I may want to add a bit to her background where she lost her first litter, giving her a reason to want to take in another kit to try to be a mother to them until she was willing to try again later on. Mousesplash will probably end up being an early mother figure, where Briareyes is helping nurse the kit and take care of them, but still dealing with her own grief. Briareyes will eventually give all her love to the kit, but it will be a bit of a journey. They would probably also be dragged into the little family circle by Briareyes, especially after Mousesplash's death. With the whole dynamic, Crowpaw will probably see them as this older sibling, mostly due to his mother's influence. Speaking of Crowpaw, I think I am going to edit him. I made his character with an idea in mind, but he seems to be drifting towards a different characterization? I am going to have look into it a bit more. I still view him as a more stubborn and opinionated cat but he doesn't seem to lean into the 'not openly hostile' bit that I put in. He seems more actively hostile, especially with how he reacted to Patchkit during the crow attack. He is also becoming a workaholic.
The whole concept of holding cats on a pedestal is not really going too far, it is mostly condensed to his family and Mudfoot. IDK I am just throwing thoughts out there that I had about him. I think I am going to do a bit of an edit on his personality, but try to keep his core characterization.
The amount of character development during the time they are being chased (by all three parties) seems like it would be interesting to explore. Do you think Eaglepaw will slowly realize that his obsession with the two is unhealthy or do you think he will double down till he gets a wakeup call from a third(fourth?) party? With Eaglepaw, I wonder if the clan would have him do the final test? He technically did something similar for the last moon minus going to the cave. He had to fend for himself in a hostile environment, but he wasn't deep in the forest. Though he will also have to do a bit of work getting used to only having one eye. |
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Post by Jademist on Feb 27, 2022 16:05:32 GMT -5
Ohh but that actually fits great if Silverleaf was in the nursery at the time. And besides, who could hate a cute helpless little kitty?  I really love the dynamics between Briareyes and Mousesplash helping eachother and raising kittens together. That's such a sweet sisterly bond! It would be fun to have like an older sibling dynamic with Crowpaw (and possibly Silverleaf) too, especially with Crowpaw's personality. I liked how your portrayed him through your posts, I think it's always nicer once a character grows through rpíng them more ^^ It would be very interesting if the secret eventually does come out; how would that change the relationship he/she has with Crowpaw because of his views? I've been pondering on it a little and I think I'll make a tom (to keep my male/female ratio even haha). His suffix will be Hail because it rhymes with Gail lol and he'll be an all white tom, so he'll stand out in his adopted family like a sore thumb. But I think it never crossed his mind that he wasn't really their kin. Maybe he hears stuff from others and asks Briareyes about it? Orrr Gail could try to kill him and Wolfstar could spill it to them.. Or Crowpaw could demand to know the truth. A lot of possibilities! ---- I think Eaglepaw will double down till he gets a wakeup call.. he won't let go easily. Maybe he gets caught by the clan or something. I'm really curious to see how Xenia is going to navigate herself through the situation with Sunny and then with Eaglepaw after! That makes sense! I'll leave it up to Hawk I think. I don't mind either way but you're right about him already being tested haha. |
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Feb 27, 2022 21:22:57 GMT -5
I may flip I coin tbh lol. Cause on one hand it's a tradition that everyone had to do but being on your own in hostile territory is technically a test in itself. Suppose we will have to see. Breaking tradition could upset the other cats and cause a domino effect for something down the line.
There is something I have thought about adding to the front. Adding superstitions under traditions. Like being born during a storm is considered good luck, thunder is just the ancestors training, kits born during new-leaf are stronger, solid white kits are considered an omen ect. Maybe something some cats follow and others don't
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Post by Ziotsu on Feb 27, 2022 21:28:37 GMT -5
My math is completely backwards. Silverleaf would be 4-5 moons younger than him. I feel dumb Crowpaw will have a time processing and understanding the fact that he isn't his blood relative. He will probably be a bit hostile for a while, but he already trusts him so it's probably going to more closely resemble someone who is sulking/giving him the cold shoulder. It will help the fact that Hail will have always been in the clan to him, just his heritage will confuse him. I like the suffix Hail, what do you think the prefix would be? I was thinking of having Briareyes not name him for a bit, calling him 'kit' until Mousesplash pushes her to give him a name.
He's quite the problematic child  If this goes on long enough, an interesting wakeup call could be watching a younger apprentice look up to him and start to emulate his behavior. Force him to metaphorically look into a mirror while the apprentice's mentor calls him out. |
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I really love the dynamics between Briareyes and Mousesplash helping eachother and raising kittens together. That's such a sweet sisterly bond! It would be fun to have like an older sibling dynamic with Crowpaw (and possibly Silverleaf) too, especially with Crowpaw's personality. I liked how your portrayed him through your posts, I think it's always nicer once a character grows through rpíng them more ^^
